Jrb1979
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They have the argument that they do offer other accommodations.
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News New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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Fast Pass was never a front of the line system, nor did Disney ever argue that it was.
The idea that the only accommodation Disney offers is ludicrous. And the claim in the lawsuit that guests have to explain their medical condition at the line simply isn't true - they just have to say they have a disability that makes it difficult for them to wait in line, and then they see what accommodation is offered.
The fact that they might not like the accommodation is irrelevant.
TrainsOfDisney
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My bad. “Virtual queue system that allows a minimal wait” was available.
Chi84
Premium Member
The fact that they’re charging for it now will weigh in their favor.
The free FP+ system was available to everyone for free - it wasn't considered an additional accommodation on top of DAS. Now the LL system is a paid option for everyone, and the disabled are free to pay for that access on top of the Disney provided accommodation, whatever that might be.
FP+ was never deemed by the court to be a disability accommodation.
TrainsOfDisney
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In Disneys favor? How so?
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
No, but it was part of Disney’s argument.
“Moreover, Disney argues, the majority of rides have waits of less than 20 minutes, and for those with longer waits, the FastPass+ system allows guests, with planning, to make three reservations each day for premium rides.”
And they can argue the same thing now, but now it's pay to play for everyone, and since LL isn't an accommodation, they can do that.
Splash4eva
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After fully understanding how DAS works for a single parent with a minor/solo traveler they provide more than enough if not too much & allowing you to meet your party once at front so the person denied DAS can meet or even DAS approved. Whats the argument? Part of a family trip is waiting in line together? Maybe the process is flawed but again if you want DAS stop hiding behind privacy bs & be specific on your condition etc & im confident it will work as intended.
I highly doubt Disney will be required to give DAS as they can prove it will hurt them both financially and operationally. They will get rid of DAS if it comes down to it.
They can show it would cause them financial harm as well as operational harm.
ToTBellHop
Well-Known Member
This is my feeling. They don’t HAVE to offer anything. If there are enough lawsuits, there will be no DAS.
Chi84
Premium Member
They are selling LLs as a product. It's part of their business model now. This is never going to come down to who needs DAS or how much they need it.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
does everyone agree that Disney should accommodate wheelchairs even though it causes them “operational harm”
I’m assuming Operational harm = reducing the operational efficiency of an attraction.
I’m assuming Operational harm = reducing the operational efficiency of an attraction.
Chi84
Premium Member
Disney is fine with wheelchairs so I’m not sure why you keep bringing this up.
ToTBellHop
Well-Known Member
Of course but that’s more about access. They set up their queues to allow wheelchairs to pass through. But it’s up to the individual to determine if that’s enough. The people who claim they can’t wait in line in 95 degrees may still opt out. That’s on them. The important piece is that they CAN ride if they want.
Everyone who lost DAS is also able to ride if they (and/or caregivers) want to. If they opt not to because they deem the wait unpleasant, that’s their choice. But it’s not incumbent on Disney to find an acceptable way for that individual to wait.
Sometimes in August I will see the FEA line extend out into the courtyard and say, “not today, Satan!” but I don’t expect any special accommodation. No one tried to keep me from riding. Florida is just hot as balls sometimes.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
But what’s your opinion?
ToTBellHop
Well-Known Member
Who has said, “ban wheelchairs!”
It's not just, or even primarily, about reducing operational efficiency. It's about the ongoing, significant detrimental effects on operations and the effect that has on guest satisfaction, and thus profit.
People in standby having to wait much longer because of an LL packed with DAS users who don't really need it.
People who pay for expedited access not getting what they paid for because of an LL packed with DAS users who don't really need it.
DAS users who can't even wait in the LL because it's packed with DAS users who don't really need it.
Contrary to what you seem to believe, people with disabilities are not due a higher priority than the non-disabled.