New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[Splash4eva]

People said the exact same thing when GAC changed to DAS. Nobody has actually tried return to queue yet to see if this is true.

Again anyone who said that you can call them
Entitled … it literally provided exactly what is needed

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

The confrontations that require physical separation of stand-by and Lightning Lane are not just instigated by those in stand-by. Someone waiting at merge for their party is absolutely open to abuse for faking, not paying, etc.

I really don't understand what you mean here? Both parties waiting at the merge will necessarily have waited in either the standby queue or the lightning lane. They'll also be waiting in a place where there is at least 1 castmember extremely nearby.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Again anyone who said that you can call them
Entitled … it literally provided exactly what is needed

"Return to Queue" also literally provides exactly what is required based upon the needs that many are expressing to Disney CM's.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The return to line system does not involve walking past people, it involves use of the lightning lane. For attractions without lightning lanes we don't know how it will work yet, but most of those attractions have near non-existent waits so it shouldn't be an issue anyway.

It will be interesting to see how it goes.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

It will be interesting to see how it goes.

Years ago my daughter had a bathroom emergency just as we got to the front of the peter pan fastpass line. The castmember let us exit and get back into the fastpass lane when we got back a few minutes later. It wasn't a big deal at all. People are catastrophizing about this but nobody who is already in line has any idea why castmembers let people into the lightning lane, so there's no reason for "confrontations" to arise.

I think when RTQ was initially announced people thought it was going to be you just push your way back to your spot in line. That was obviously never going to be the solution (and I pointed out very early on I was sure they would just use the lightning lanes), and it turns out that they are using the lightning lanes. People are still holding onto this "that can't possibly work" mentality because they don't want it to work IMO, they are upset that they no longer are getting DAS and have to settle for this other accommodation. This is incredibly similar to what happened when GAC changed over to DAS. Maybe a few people will "stop going to WDW" but I would bet (and Disney almost certainly assumes), that most people will just adapt to this new accommodation in the same way that GAC users adapted to DAS.

 

[pigglewiggle]

it's also hard to share reasons why things like leaving the line and joining the party later don't work when we're actively trying to not give abusers any ideas to use. Which then makes it difficult to be sympathetic because people who aren't having that experience themselves can find it difficult to understand when not given concrete examples. Kind of a vicious cycle.

Yes, for your situation that you have described. So my statement wouldn't apply to you.
There are many others who would be able to use other options and that's who my statement would be applicable for.

And yes, I know we don't know everyone's situation, but if we don't believe that a larger rather than smaller number of people can use other offered accommodations just fine, then we are being naive.

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

Years ago my daughter had a bathroom emergency just as we got to the front of the peter pan fastpass line. The castmember let us exit and get back into the fastpass lane when we got back a few minutes later. It wasn't a big deal at all. People are catastrophizing about this but nobody who is already in line has any idea why castmembers let people into the lightning lane, so there's no reason for "confrontations" to arise.

Entering through the LL should be a huge deterrent for confrontations. I do wonder how it’s going to work with a more lengthy LL and person who had already made it through a significant portion of the SB, maybe a CM escort to the boarding area that would also be a deterrent for confrontation.

 

[Splash4eva]

"Return to Queue" also literally provides exactly what is required based upon the needs that many are expressing to Disney CM's.

Only difference is there are no real details on how this is working and if you really think that its a legit replacement thats fine but it most certainly is not

 

[Disstevefan1]

All good points.

Some of the solutions, even if they's re not as effective as DAS (especially regarding lower waiting times), from an accessibility standpoint, might work just fine. We just have to hope people won't abuse these as well .

The sad part is that a good chunk of the lost business (which I don't think will be that large) will be people/families that actually have/deal with severe disabilities, where DAS might indeed be the only solution (and for those to whom this is true, they will know). Most others will still go and learn to use the other accommodations (which will yield varying results), and cheaters will either conform or find other accommodations to game.

Because in the end, WDW has no similar peers anywhere in the world.
Sure, there are other great parks, but people hardly plan family vacations JUST for that.
UNI Orlando has that crowd too but it's smaller.
Even Disneyland. I've been a couple of times and even though I love it, it doesn't feel the same going to Cali JUST to go to DL, as it feels going to Florida JUST to do WDW.

And Disney knows that.
And while that remains true, the elasticity of their demand will remain massive.

 

[pigglewiggle]

Only difference is there are no real details on how this is working and if you really think that its a legit replacement thats fine but it most certainly is not

The point isn't is it a legit replacement, as good as DAS. The point is it's another accommodation to help those who can't wait in a line. It was never meant to be the same/as good replacement.

Of course people will be angry to get what they see as an inferior product. But if the inferior product does the job, meets ADA requirements, then that's what it will be.

And people have a right to be mad, cancel trips, yell on social media, all of it.

And if the skip the line system really does end up being that the person must leave and come back on their own without CM assistance, or lightning lane, something that deters anger from other guests, then I will agree that it's idiotic.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Years ago my daughter had a bathroom emergency just as we got to the front of the peter pan fastpass line.

If you had to exit a queue THE FRONT of the line is absolutely the best and obviously the easiest and the most convenient place to exit; everyone is behind you, no need to wade through folks. Not the best example in my opinion.

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

Only difference is there are no real details on how this is working and if you really think that its a legit replacement thats fine but it most certainly is not

Until it’s rolling we really have no idea and can’t speak in certainties.

On another board -I think, it may actually have been here, I saw that Disney may have 2 similar but different accommodations at play. One being the more traditional “bathroom pass” system where a person who is already in the queue leaves their party behind and then rejoins, and another being more like DAS 1.0 where a person is pre approved to approach a CM at the entrance and is given a return time.

Disney is seemingly being vague with the details right now, but as others have pointed out I think it’s because there isn’t one set policy that they’re applying across the board to those who do not qualify for the traditional DAS.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

If you had to exit a queue THE FRONT of the line is absolutely the best and obviously the easiest and the most convenient place to exit; everyone is behind you, no need to wade through folks. Not the best example in my opinion.

You think people are going to get upset because you are exiting a line by walking past people going backwards in line? Because that's the only way you're going to be able to exit anyway. People have to exit lines for various reasons all the time. You don't exit the line by walking to the front, you exit it by walking out the back.

 

[Disstevefan1]

because there isn’t one set policy that they’re applying across the board to those who do not qualify for the traditional DAS.

Isn't this the reason we are in this mess?

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

Isn't this the reason we are in this mess?

IMO the opposite. For the most part one accommodation was being given out as a blanket assist. Excluding those who could be helped with a mobility device, DAS was the accommodation.

Now they seem to be taking individual specific needs and attraction specifics into account.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

IMO the opposite. For the most part one accommodation was being given out as a blanket assist. Excluding those who could be helped with a mobility device, DAS was the accommodation.

Now they seem to be taking individual specific needs and attraction specifics into account.

Which is exactly what is contemplated by the ADA. Reasonable accommodations specifically tailored to an individual's unique needs based upon a dialog with that individual. Disney is leading the industry as usual here. The IBCCES path other parks have taken is a dead end in my opinion. I wouldn't be surprised to see Universal follow Disney's lead here in the near future.

 

[Disstevefan1]

You think people are going to get upset because you are exiting a line by walking past people going backwards in line? Because that's the only way you're going to be able to exit anyway. People have to exit lines for various reasons all the time. You don't exit the line by walking to the front, you exit it by walking out the back.

You were in front, you exited by walking backward through the entire queue then walked forward through the queue again?

I was thinking once at the front of the queue there was a way to exit to the restroom NOT through the queue then simply go back to the CM (not using the queue)

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

You were in front, you exited by walking backward through the entire queue then walked forward through the queue again?

I was thinking once at the front of the queue there was a way to exit to the restroom NOT through the queue then simply go back to the CM (not using the queue)

No, because peter pan is somewhat unique in that the merge point is also right by the entrance/exit, and that's where we were when my daughter decided to tell us for the first time that she had to go right that very instant. But in most cases if you're in a standby line and have an emergency the easiest way to exit that standby line will be to walk backwards through it. People are not going to give a hard time to someone doing that.

 

[Disstevefan1]

No, because peter pan is somewhat unique in that the merge point is also right by the entrance/exit, and that's where we were when my daughter decided to tell us for the first time that she had to go right that very instant. But in most cases if you're in a standby line and have an emergency the easiest way to exit that standby line will be to walk backwards through it. People are not going to give a hard time to someone doing that.

Exiting the queue, no problem.

Re entering to get to your spot is stressful as Joey Bagadoughnuts from Jersey has no idea what you are doing trying to cut in line.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Yes, for your situation that you have described. So my statement wouldn't apply to you.
There are many others who would be able to use other options and that's who my statement would be applicable for.

And yes, I know we don't know everyone's situation, but if we don't believe that a larger rather than smaller number of people can use other offered accommodations just fine, then we are being naive.

I don't believe I made any statement on the bolded.