New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

Fido Chuckwagon

Well-Known Member
What we know for a fact is the statement that 8% of guests are using 70% of total capacity is 100% false!
We know no such thing. The best evidence for the fact that that number is very close to the truth is the fact that Disney felt they had to act. The second best evidence for that is the counting experiment that Len Testa did at Haunted Mansion when he was able to control for how many G+ LL’s are distributed each hour.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
We know no such thing. The best evidence for the fact that that number is very close to the truth is the fact that Disney felt they had to act. The second best evidence for that is the counting experiment that Len Testa did at Haunted Mansion when he was able to control for how many G+ LL’s are distributed each hour.
Guess we’ll find out in a month, if my guesstimate is more accurate standby times will be down about 10%, if you’re more accurate they’ll be done about 60%. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I hope for the guests sake (including myself) you’re correct but I wouldn’t bet on it.
 

Happyday

Well-Known Member
Not bait, just even-tempered logic and reason. I don’t need to reread it either- that’s your version of the same bait you are attributing to me. If you’re trying to make the argument that I’m insensitive to the fact that people with disabilities would be happy to not require DAS, that’s fair of course, and we all likely agree that would be true. But that’s you building a strawman against me. In actuality, my point is that it’s the fevered response that “it has to be exactly the previous version of DAS or the parks are ruined” which is the issue. The up-until-today version of DAS was superior to a typical experience and that cannot be reasonably disputed.
I am making no argument I have stated our experience. I am not saying anything about you or anyone else here. I don't know your issues or experiences. I am just tired of saying the same thing multiple times if you want to know go look if you don't then don't. I never said DAS had to stay the same you are now putting words in my mouth. You keep saying typical, not everyone's experience or situation is the same remember not everyone experiences things in a typical way. If my experience was typical I wouldn't need to get DAS for our individual.
 
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Chi84

Premium Member
And some rides don’t have Genie lines so they’re 0%, we’ll never have 100% accurate numbers so the best we can do is guesstimate…

What we know for a fact is the statement that 8% of guests are using 70% of total capacity is 100% false!
How do we know that again? There have been some reputable sources behind it. I didn’t see anything to support the other numbers that were given.
 

pigglewiggle

Well-Known Member
Guess we’ll find out in a month, if my guesstimate is more accurate standby times will be down about 10%, if you’re more accurate they’ll be done about 60%. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I hope for the guests (including myself) you’re correct but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Is it standby lines? My assumption is that this will help the lightning lanes since that's what the DAS uses.

I didn't think standby lines are the issue.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Guess we’ll find out in a month, if my guesstimate is more accurate standby times will be down about 10%, if you’re more accurate they’ll be done about 60%. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I hope for the guests sake (including myself) you’re correct but I wouldn’t bet on it.
It's not going to make standby better. It's never been about that. The whole point of the change is for Disney to control the LL capacity better. DAS can't be accounted for per hour making it hard for Disney to control the amount of LL available. With less DAS users now, there should be more availability per ride per day.
 

Fido Chuckwagon

Well-Known Member
how is the math off? Legit question - I’m trying to follow both sides of this.
First of all, there are way too many unknown variables to know how this is going to turn out except that it necessarily will help. How many of those 8 percent were rejected versus still using DAS. How many of the ones who were rejected will start using Genie+. Those are two huge ones off the bat. Second of all, how does freeing up 70 percent of capacity result in a 60 percent reduction in standby lines? He’s just pulling random numbers out of the air.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
What is your guesstimate then since you’re the one claiming that 8% are using 70% of total capacity?

if they can free up 70% of total capacity how much do you expect lines, both standby and LL, to improve?
It will improve LL for those who buy Genie+. Instead of the LL capacity going to DAS, it will now go to those guests who buy Genie+. They aren't necessarily going to sell more Genie+ but it should open up more availability.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Let me put it this way: I was told on Tuesday night that there was genuine concern that when Tiana's opens in June, a plausible worst-case scenario would require almost 100% of the Lightning Lane line to be dedicated to DAS.

You can imagine the impact to everyone else in the park.

It's not total park capacity. I don't think anyone's saying that. At the headliner attractions, DAS use can be 50-75% of the entire Lightning Lane line. A decent rule of thumb is newer rides = higher DAS use.

I note that if Disney's numbers about DAS abuse are to be believed, 3 out of 4 guests in the Lightning Lane are not paying for it. Which means all the revenue Disney's got over these last few years is coming from 1 in 4 guests.
I think these were some of the numbers people found concerning.
 

Fido Chuckwagon

Well-Known Member
It will improve LL for those who buy Genie+. Instead of the LL capacity going to DAS, it will now go to those guests who buy Genie+. They aren't necessarily going to sell more Genie+ but it should open up more availability.
And since the majority of guests are using Genie+, this will improve the guest experience for a lot of people.
 

rtmachine

Active Member
As long as we are doing math... the posted times and the real wait times are not the same. We all know they jack up the posted times to sell more ILL and G+ and/or extend them towards closing time.
So how can anybody say for sure what the wait times will be when they will arbitrarily post whatever time suits their needs.
 

pigglewiggle

Well-Known Member
As long as we are doing math... the posted times and the real wait times are not the same. We all know they jack up the posted times to sell more ILL and G+ and/or extend them towards closing time.
So how can anybody say for sure what the wait times will be when they will arbitrarily post whatever time suits their needs.

Those wait times aren't the same as Genie + wait times. This change isn't meant to help the standby line.
 

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