New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[NotTheOne]

A g+ user cannot use nearly as much capacity as a DAS user. It’s not even close. If all the people who were previously using DAS and are now denied move to G+ it will still improve things.

Exactly.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

The reaction to these operational changes by some who have become used to the DAS system does little more than prove that Disney has gone beyond what’s necessary in accommodating people. The DAS users have received a superior experience in the parks to those guests who do not use it. I leave the parks early when it’s unbearably hot; I don’t join lines that are excessive in wait time- this often leads to situations where I don’t get to ride everything I’d like to. THAT is the “typical” experience. Disney has provided an experience to DAS users that insulated them from disappointment or the inability to ride something they wished to ride. The typical guest doesn’t get that option.

I’d fight for that too- because my experience would be changed for the worse if they took it away. But the reality is, this disappointment is born from the reality that DAS users have been given the opportunity to have a superior park experience vs a typical one. In all likelihood , the vast majority of people who are concerned will see their experience is still just as enjoyable and feasible.

This.

 

[networkpro]

A g+ user cannot use nearly as much capacity as a DAS user. It’s not even close. If all the people who were previously using DAS and are now denied move to G+ it will still improve overall capacity and smooth it out amongst users.

And the LLs and ILLs are capped per hour, they don't allocate or sell an unlimited number.

 

[Disstevefan1]

A g+ user cannot use nearly as much capacity as a DAS user. It’s not even close.

Thinking about it, if they do not increase the number of Genie+ and ILLs sold, I agree, they will quickly sell out and the folks who previously qualified for DAS who obviously cant use standby will be shut out and will not be in any queue.

They can wonder around and buy food and merch.

IF they increase the number of Lighting Lanes and ILLs in an attempt to accommodate all the folks who previously used the DAS (who cant use standby), THEN the same number of folks will be in the same queues.

The thing that may go down is RE rides.

 

[ditzee]

A g+ user cannot use nearly as much capacity as a DAS user. It’s not even close. If all the people who were previously using DAS and are now denied move to G+ it will still improve overall capacity and smooth it out amongst users.

With the new rules, you're right. That said, if lots of former DAS users buy G+, it will run out even faster. Since this is my last trip to WDW, I think I might give G+ a try and see how well it works with DAS.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Thinking about it, if they do not increase the number of Genie+ and ILLs sold, I agree, they will quickly sell out and the folks who previously qualified for DAS who obviously cant use standby will be shut out and will not be in any queue.

They can wonder around and buy food and merch.

IF they increase the number of Lighting Lanes and ILLs in an attempt to accommodate all the folks who previously used the DAS (who cant use standby), THEN the same number of folks will be in the same queues.

The thing that may go down is RE rides.

Even if they increase the amount of G+ sold they will still have helped the situation of a small group of people using an inordinately large amount of ride capacity, which will improve the guest experience for everyone.

 

[ditzee]

Even if they increase the amount of G+ sold they will still have helped the situation of a small group of people using an inordinately large amount of ride capacity, which will improve the guest experience for everyone.

Except those who were previously given DAS.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

With the new rules, you're right. That said, if lots of former DAS users buy G+, it will run out even faster. Since this is my last trip to WDW, I think I might give G+ a try and see how well it works with DAS.

G+ rarely sells out, only on the highest crowd days and basically never at all parks.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

they will still have helped the situation of a small group of people using an inordinately large amount of ride capacity, which will improve the guest experience for everyone.

I feel like both of these points are exaggerated - using Midway Mania - at the time the only family ride in the park - as the only true data point stacks the deck.

“Improve the guest experience for everyone” - are the lines going to be on average 5 minutes shorter? 10? -

 

[ditzee]

G+ rarely sells out, only on the highest crowd days and basically never at all parks.

So DAS users who buy G+ will just make G+ times harder to get? I mean if the users took up what 75% of the LL and now a lot of them are buying G+, seems like that will put pressure on G+.

 

[pigglewiggle]

So DAS users who buy G+ will just make G+ times harder to get? I mean if the users took up what 75% of the LL and now a lot of them are buying G+, seems like that will put pressure on G+.

No. It was DAS on top of those with Genie +, even on days when Genie was sold out or close to it.

It can only get better. And a 10 minute difference in a lightning lane actually is a big deal

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

So DAS users who buy G+ will just make G+ times harder to get? I mean if the users took up what 75% of the LL and now a lot of them are buying G+, seems like that will put pressure on G+.

No, because a DAS user can use far more LL capacity than a G+ user because of the differences in the two programs.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Even if they increase the amount of G+ sold they will still have helped the situation of a small group of people using an inordinately large amount of ride capacity, which will improve the guest experience for everyone

Time will tell if it improves the guest experience.

We already know it will not improve the guest experience for everyone. It will NOT improve the guest experience for all those folks with legitimate limitations who now do not qualify for the new DAS system, so right off the bat, you are starting with guests will a worse guest experience.

 

[BrianLo]

I struggle to understand then what Disney uses to make the decisions then? Buzz words like meltdown or abusive to others from a child who suffers with ADHD or Autism?

Almost like I couldn't say things like my son is on medication for ADHD because they will then assume that it's preventing anything like a meltdown and he can wait in the standby lines?

I believe it is all based on Level of function from what I am seeing. They wouldn't explore medication at all, that's kind of irrelevant. I honestly wouldn't worry too much in your situation.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I'm sorry. Disney is screwing themselves.

This is how I feel also but only time will tell. If the new system doesn’t work for us we’ll stop going, or go far less, that’s likely true for everyone that legitimately used DAS.

The only problem it needed to solve was the problem of 8 percent of guests using 70 percent of ride capacity. It seems like it is already well on its way to solving that problem.

You’ve written this several times but you are misinterpreting the data.

It’s true that 8% of guests use DAS but you also have to take into account their friends/family, it’s more like 35% of all guests (assuming an average group size of 3-5 including the DAS member) that are ”using” DAS.

You are also misinterpreting the 70%… the original post was that DAS was using 70% of the LL capacity, not the total capacity, since LL is about 75% of capacity we can estimate DAS uses about 52% of total capacity.

So the “real” problem is 35% are using 52% of ride capacity, still disproportionate but a FAR cry from 8/70!

We aren’t going to see a huge decrease in standby as a result of this, the best case scenario is those 35% are now using 35% rather than 52%, a 17% decrease, and that’s assuming none of them qualify for the new DAS or buy Genie, which won’t happen, my guess is at most standby will decrease by 10% as a result of this, those 60 minute waits will now be 54, not something anyone is going to notice and far from a solution to the mess Disney has created by not adequately adding capacity to the parks.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

So the “real” problem is 35% are using 52% of ride capacity, still disproportionate but a FAR cry from 8/70!

Yes - thank you. Also, these numbers are going to vary attraction by attraction and definitely park to park.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

You are also misinterpreting the 70%… the original post was that DAS was using 70% of the LL capacity, not the total capacity, since LL is about 75% of capacity we can estimate DAS uses about 52% of total capacity.

No. The original post was that DAS was using 75 percent of the LL capacity, and that was a conservative estimate. And you are significantly wrong on how much of a ride’s given capacity is dedicated to the LL. It is not 75 percent. It ranges from a low of 80 percent to a high of 95 percent. (We’ve had several reputable CM sources over the years confirm that they go up to a LL ratio of 20:1). At the popular rides with backed up lightning lanes, it is 95 percent. 95 percent of 75 percent is 71 percent.

There has also been zero confirmation that the 8 percent is really something like 35 percent. That was taken from a one-off post that somebody ran with as fact. The 70 percent number was taken from actual insiders and people who counted.

 

[dreamfinder912]

Incorrect.

These folks with legitimate limitations who previously qualified for DAS, CANT use standby and that is why they applied and qualified for DAS before the changes.

They do not *choose* not to use standby. Many wish they could. Folks with no limitations have no idea what its like.

My hope for you is they you are always able to use the standby if you *choose* to and never have any limitations.

I "choose" not to use standby the same way I choose not to put my hand on a hot stove. I'd much rather be healthy. I wasn't always disabled. I just no longer have a body that supports the way it used to.

 

[ditzee]

I wouldn't assume if I were you.

But you assumed that people chose not to be in the standby line.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

No. The original post was that DAS was using 75 percent of the LL capacity, and that was a conservative estimate. And you are significantly wrong on how much of a ride’s given capacity is dedicated to the LL. It is not 75 percent. It ranges from a low of 80 percent to a high of 95 percent. (We’ve had several reputable CM sources over the years confirm that they go up to a LL ratio of 20:1). At the popular rides with backed up lightning lanes, it is 95 percent. 95 percent of 75 percent is 71 percent.

And some rides don’t have Genie lines so they’re 0%, we’ll never have 100% accurate numbers so the best we can do is guesstimate…

What we know for a fact is the statement that 8% of guests are using 70% of total capacity is 100% false!