New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[sedati]

Like a really long pre show.

With seats.

 

[el_super]

I know that Disney knows that it’s abuse because Disney is changing it. That’s good enough for me.

Change itself is not proof of abuse. In fact very little is actually changing from when DAS rolled out and the intent then was to get away from over prescribing GAC passes. We've been in this same spot before.


A lot of assumptions are being made about what is changing and with what ferocity Disney is enforcing things in order to "prove" that their existing bias toward believing abuse is true.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I explained that the point of the exception is to avoid separating parents from their children if there are 3+ children or a single parent with 4+ kids. There's no reasonable argument for extending that courtesy to a group of friends (and the law only requires reasonable accommodations), so that's why they can make an exception for immediate family (which means no aunts, uncles, longtime family friends who the kids call "aunt" or "uncle", etc.). I honestly don't see why that's a problem. Small children require supervision in line and on rides (and in some cases, the rides require an adult sit in the ride vehicle in a specific seat relative to the child/children). Friends - whether they are adults or unsupervised teens - don't have the same requirements.

That's fine if it addresses a specific need.

If a disabled person requires one caregiver, the group can be split with some in a VQ and others meeting them via the standby line.

If a family of four gets an automatic exception while a friend group does not, that's unfair because it's giving one group a different status, and not tailoring the accommodation based on need.

 

[HauntedPirate]

This isn’t about standing in line. You complained about being bored sitting around and people watching.

Can’t stand in line and needs DAS but apparently can do enough standing that they also buy Genie+ and ILL in addition to using DAS. You can't make this stuff up.

 

[Touchdown]

The best way was always OG fastpass for 2 or so headliners and standbys around them.

Simpler, better days

Maxpass at DLR was the best, man did I get a lot out of that system.

 

[el_super]

That’s fair. Some arguments here are ignorant. But expecting any real solutions here is a fools errand

The real problem is, actual equitable solutions would require an impact to people who do not use DAS. A system where everyone has to scan into an attraction would easily weed out people jumping from one queue to another, but require effort from everyone.

I honestly don't see why that's a problem.

This rule doesn't exist for people using the standby line. A group of 10 or 15 or 30 can enter the stand by line together no issues.

Disney can try to limit in some fashion sure, but if brought to court it would be hard for Disney to suggest accommodating large parties is not reasonable when they literally sell the same service.

 

[Happyday]

Not at all if they put even a little planning and timed their prebooks so that they did the prebooks during the countdown for ROTR from the moment they scanned into the park. Maybe they also stopped and watched a show.

They are getting rid of the prebooks so let's see how that pans out.

 

[RamblinWreck]

The real problem is, actual equitable solutions would require an impact to people who do not use DAS. A system where everyone has to scan into an attraction would easily weed out people jumping from one queue to another, but require effort from everyone.



This rule doesn't exist for people using the standby line. A group of 10 or 15 or 30 can enter the stand by line together no issues.

Disney can try to limit in some fashion sure, but if brought to court it would be hard for Disney to suggest accommodating large parties is not reasonable when they literally sell the same service.

I don’t think that would be difficult at all.

Their accommodations continue to be far more generous than they need to be to pass legal muster.

And it would not be hard at all to show that accommodating large parties through DAS fundamentally affects their business.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Maxpass at DLR was the best, man did I get a lot out of that system.

It was great

Universal express pass is the best…maxpass second…fastpass 1.0 third

The rest suck if we’re honest

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

All D & E Ticket attractions should have an in-theme lounge type area as one of it's queue options. Air-conditioned with restroom facilities, noise cancelling headphones, and even themed activities that act as a compliment to any story-elements experienced in queue. Each entrant would be given either a timed number based on when they entered in line with the standard wait time, or wait for a split-party to retrieve them when they've navigated through.

This isn't a 100% fix, nor is it a new or original concept, but one that is repeatedly shot down on these forums.

I love the idea but it’s a lot of costs they’d never pay

 

[StarBright]

Dear gods, I've never seen the goal post move so much in my life.

 

[Ayla]

There'd be less anxiety if I didn't need to purchase expensive non-refundable tickets in order to even apply for the DAS

I totally agree with you here. I don't think tickets should have to be purchased in order to apply for a DAS review. Also, the fact the cancellation policy and the interview are both at the 30 day mark is not appropriate for those that truly need to use the service while visiting, like your family.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Change itself is not proof of abuse. In fact very little is actually changing from when DAS rolled out and the intent then was to get away from over prescribing GAC passes. We've been in this same spot before.


A lot of assumptions are being made about what is changing and with what ferocity Disney is enforcing things in order to "prove" that their existing bias toward believing abuse is true.

We have a lot of circumstantial evidence that there is abuse.

 

[seabreezept813]

It’s gonna be demanded…daily

And they’ll give in

Maybe if like someone has 3 kids that will be obvious. Or otherwise go by reservation parties.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Dear gods, I've never seen the goal post move so much in my life.

They’ve been on wheels for 150 pages

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

We have a lot of circumstantial evidence that there is abuse.

We have an actual expert…not we hacks or blowhard Disney apologists…saying they know the problem and to what degree it is…

That’s enough for me

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Maybe if like someone has 3 kids that will be obvious. Or otherwise go by reservation parties.

Once you have “grey areas”…they spread like poison ivy

 

[lazyboy97o]

All D & E Ticket attractions should have an in-theme lounge type area as one of it's queue options. Air-conditioned with restroom facilities, noise cancelling headphones, and even themed activities that act as a compliment to any story-elements experienced in queue. Each entrant would be given either a timed number based on when they entered in line with the standard wait time, or wait for a split-party to retrieve them when they've navigated through.

This isn't a 100% fix, nor is it a new or original concept, but one that is repeatedly shot down on these forums.

A room would require at least 2 - 3 times the square footage per person versus a queue.

 

[Ayla]

All D & E Ticket attractions should have an in-theme lounge type area as one of it's queue options. Air-conditioned with restroom facilities, noise cancelling headphones, and even themed activities that act as a compliment to any story-elements experienced in queue. Each entrant would be given either a timed number based on when they entered in line with the standard wait time, or wait for a split-party to retrieve them when they've navigated through.

This isn't a 100% fix, nor is it a new or original concept, but one that is repeatedly shot down on these forums.

I like the idea and have no idea why it is continually poo-poo'd here. They do the same thing at Dumbo and everyone seems to love it.

 

[Gomer]

I love the idea but it’s a lot of costs they’d never pay

And space. Any lounge like that would need to be pretty significant in size as they'd be dealing with the same problem the LL's currently have. Which is that you can't predict where DAS users will be, so every lounge would need to be equipped to hold peak DAS crowds in a space large enough to allow for the users to not succumb to the same sensory issues that occur in lines due to crowding.

So not only are you having to carve out a ton of space for every ride that uses this model, but also dealing with those spaces not producing the revenue they could be producing if they were used for something like a gift shop, food cart, or dvc kiosk.

So its a great idea from a guest and fairness perspective, but not great from Disney's perspective.