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Phroobar
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That's the thing. There is a lot of new animation that is hand drawn (not by Disney). Not everything has to be in 3D. Sure it is computer assisted. No one is painting cells anymore.
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Disney Irish
Premium Member
While I don't disagree they should stop the Live Action remakes in general, they don't have to stop them in order for Disney to do hand drawn animation again. So its not an either/or situation, they could do both if they wanted to.
For now however I don't see Disney making any real concerted effort to bring back hand drawn animation in any major way. They may do it for a few shorts here and there, but a major feature I doubt it, at least not any time soon.
But who knows stranger things have happened.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
True, but do you see Disney at this point making an investment back into hand drawn 2D? I don't, at least not soon.
Like I said, it's just a suggestion and my wishful thinking. But like you said, strangers things have happened.
Brer Panther
Well-Known Member
"But hand-drawn animated films aren't profitable anymore!"
Strange World and Wish were CGI, but they were still box office bombs. Just sayin'.
Strange World and Wish were CGI, but they were still box office bombs. Just sayin'.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
And Moana 2 which was also CGI made $1B, so what's your point?
Heppenheimer
Well-Known Member
From what I understand, most of the institutional knowledge of how to do hand drawn animation is gone from the House of the Mouse. They would basically need to learn most of the trade from scratch again. Given the financial pressures Disney is under right now, I don't see that happening.
That being said, I would love to see a return to traditional animation, although most of the problems with recent Disney films has been the poor writing and forgettable music, not the animation.
That being said, I would love to see a return to traditional animation, although most of the problems with recent Disney films has been the poor writing and forgettable music, not the animation.
Brer Panther
Well-Known Member
That was a sequel to a really popular film, of course it was gonna make a ton of money.
If anything, its success probably just convinced Disney that sequels are more profitable than original films.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
So? Irrespective of Moana 2 being a sequel to an otherwise successful movie (also CGI BTW), CGI movies do actually make money. Just look at all of the Dreamworks and Illumination films.
So again what is the point of bringing up the two that failed in a reference to the "x doesn't make money anymore", when there are literally dozen of examples from the last decade that renders that point moot.
BTW, I'm not saying Disney shouldn't make another hand drawn animated feature. But this point you tried to make was just silly.
Prince-1
Well-Known Member
Hmmm, I see a big flaw in that thought process.
Brer Panther
Well-Known Member
Yes, but I can name several hand-drawn films that were very successful. The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, The Lion King, Lilo and Stitch, Mulan, Tarzan...
Atlantis didn't flop just because it was hand-drawn. Nor did Treasure Planet. Or Home on the Range. I don't think Strange World and Wish flopped just because they were CGI either. It's just a hypocritical mindset.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
And what do all of those have in common? They all came out in a time during which hand drawn animation (even though some included CG backgrounds but we don't talk about that) was having a renaissance, ie mostly the 90s. Times change, so do audience tastes. Right now CGI is where the audience is at. That doesn't mean it can't swing back the other way.
But none of that negates the point, you brought up two specific CGI failures and tried to attribute them to a quote made about hand drawn animation. As if to say that CGI isn't making money, which couldn't be further from the truth. So I'll ask, outside of anime, has there been one full length hand drawn animated feature by ANY company on the globe that was a success in 2020s? 2010s? To my mind there has been none, again outside of the anime features.