Nervous about Star Tour 2 "Upgrades"

[the-reason14]

Honestly I could probably care a little less. To me the ride/simulator is horribly dated and boring. There really isn't anything amazing or special about the ride imo. I hope that with this refurb that it'll become a "must do" instead of "must skip."

 

[muse1983]

Really' The only reason people dislike the Prequels is because they were 7 when the Originals came out and they think the Prequels did not live up to their memories of the first 3. Those of us who grew up with the Prequels think they are awesome.

I wasn't even one years old when Return of the Jedi came out so I definitely can't be classified in a group of people who were kids when the originals came out. I can honestly say and although regardless of how insanely strong I feel about it I still know that it's just an opinion, an opinion shared by a ton of people mind you, an opinion that The Phantom Menace was an absolute commercializing rape of the timeless name of Star Wars. It's a cardboard nightmare of a script and plot. Attack of the Clones was an atrocious mess that was full of baffling dialogue and an overwhelming urgency to destroy everything that makes the original Star Wars trilogy so timeless. I however can give Revenge of the Sith a single thumbs up for being the best of the bunch....I realize this is extremely off topic but I just had to respond...:ROFLOL:

 

[JustInTime]

I think if they were going to change the queue we would have seen concept at D23.

 

[_Scar]

Fine' leave them to the real fans. It's part of an overarching story so you hate one you hate them all.

It's an overwhelming fact that all "real fans" think the prequels totally suck.

In fact, they hardly make any sense or follow any basic storytelling rules.

George can easily screw up something good. I'd be scared for ST2, but I think WDI and Lasseter won't let him rape it. He's really into raping what he creates. :animwink:

 

[FigmentJedi]

Personally, I think of the prequels the same way I think of Cars. They pale in comparison to their fellow works, but they aren't as horrible as everyone insists they are.

And it seems to be a general pattern that when George isn't completely in control on something that it tends to be great. Besides the obvious answer of the Empire Strikes Back, just look at the Clone Wars. The pilot movie may have been weak, but the TV series has captured the feel of the Original Trilogy a lot better then the prequels ever did.

 

[blackthidot]

Its a great feeling KNOWING you are on a Star Wars ride...Seeing the walker outside...the speed bike...R2 and C-3P0...But honestly...Rex...? C'mon son...

And we REALLY could not be in the cockpit of the Falcon as well? I can't WAIT for this thing to be changed and HOPEFULLY it has characters that were actually in the movie as part of the ride experience.

 

[blackthidot]

And to sum up the argument about episodes 1, 2, and 3...


They are all a HUGE waste of time. 3 was pretty good...but a waste of time. Episode 2 should have been episode 3...ending with the birth of uniformed Vader. Episode 3 should have been Vader and the Empire just destroying and wiping out all of the Jedi.

Instead he wasted so much time on pod racing, and rolling around in fields on Naboo that he only had 2 minutes to kill ALL of the Jedi.

Then Luke in RotJ asks his sister what she remembers about her mother and she goes into this she was very pretty, very sad memory...DUDE SHE DIED 2 MINS AFTER YOU WERE BORN!!! Did he FORGET that part?

The movies 1, 2, and 3 are really not THAT bad...It is just for what they were supposed to be and the stories they were supposed to tell...it was just a mess, a bunch of lies, and a huge waste of time.

 

[David S.]

I don't consider the current version "outdated" at all, in my opinion. Every scene in the main ride uses classic and iconic locations and situations reminiscent of the beloved "Original Trilogy" - a hyperspace jump, dodging asteroids, and the climatic battle above the Death Star including the exciting trench finale.

That's not to say traveling to other locations in the Star Wars universe wouldn't be interesting as well, but I find nothing wrong or "outdated" at all about the current story.

Also, I love Rex, who adds a nice dose of cuteness and charm! And I enjoy watching the amusing banter between R2-D2 and C-3P0 in the queue, and often watch the whole thing, even when the ride is a walk on!

Also, I really enjoy the preshow, which always charms me and makes me crack up over Chewie's reaction to flash photography! And it's so cute the way one of the Ewoks in the preshow is carrying a plush Mickey Mouse! I also think it's cute the way they cut to shots showing the Ewok's feet not touching the floor!

My favorite Star Wars characters of all time are R2-D2, C-3PO, Chewie, and last but not least, those lovable and adorable Ewoks! So I always enjoyed the way all of these characters were included in the attraction!

Even if I like the new version, I for one will miss the original version of this timeless classic!

 

[toetheline29]

I don't consider the current version "outdated" at all, in my opinion. Every scene in the main ride uses classic and iconic locations and situations reminiscent of the beloved "Original Trilogy" - a hyperspace jump, dodging asteroids, and the climatic battle above the Death Star including the exciting trench finale.

Perfectly said. I agree completely. I grew up after the originals were released, but I rode Star Tours before the prequels came out. Nothing about Star Tours seemed uncharacteristically outdated because it looked/felt/sounded the same as the original trilogy. If you visually compare the original movies with the recent prequels, it's obvious which ones were made in the '70s/'80s and which ones were made in the '90s/'00. It never bothered me that Star Tours leans heavily towards the '70s/'80s side because it was clearly based on the original trilogy. Thus, it fit. In my mind, anyway :ROFLOL:

 

[Xethis]

It's an overwhelming fact that all "real fans" think the prequels totally suck.

I could not disagree more. I was 4 when Star Wars: A New Hope was released & it began my 32 year addiction to everything Star Wars. Not saying I am the world's #1 fan, but I'd easily say I am a complete Star Wars geek.

I don't loathe the prequel films the way the majority does. I think there are a few good reasons for the separation of opinions, etc. The original 3 films were SO groundbreaking. None of us had seen anything like them back in the day. Then by the time the prequels were released technology had advanced SO far, that the things that amazed us as kids just didn't have the same effect. Lots of people think the prequels were a little less magical, and this is a big part of why. Compare this to the world of horror films. Back in the day people lost their minds over Night of the Living Dead & JAWS. Now people can watch SAW while eating & not even blink. What amazes/horrifies us as children just doesn't hold the same sway over us as adults.

Also, the prequels are very political. There was a lot of bureaucracy that led to the events in the original films. I find politics boring personally, and am not defending the prequels per se, but I understand why they were that way. There had to be a build up to the Clone Wars, and politics made sense.

Additionally, I'm not saying the prequels are equal to the originals by any means. The originals still hold a special place in my heart & childhood, but overall I'm glad we have 6 films to enjoy rather than 3.

For every good, there is a bad. The prequels gave us some back story of Obi-Wan the introduction of Qui-Gon. The prequels gave us Mace Windu, Plo Koon, Kit Fisto and, Count Dooku, Darth Maul, whom I personally love! (No Vader, I agree, but kick a$$ none the less). The prequels gave us the epic Jedi battles & the extinction of the Old Republic, and it did after all answer some big questions: How did Luke & Leia get separated, where did the stormtroopers come from, where did all the Jedi go, why did Yoda live on Dagobah, etc. It was great to see the evolution of the spaceships, and the way the Emperor manipulated the galaxy into the Empire, and last but not least, the actual 'birth' of Darth Vader. To say the new films don't have the impact the first films did might be a true statement, but they have their moments. I for one, still get all weepy eyed during the scene when Obi-Wan chops down Anakin on Mustafar and gives his speech about loving Anakin & him leaving the force in darkness.

Then there are the bads: Jar Jar (who I deem the biggest mistake in the Star Wars saga), the boring politics, the flaws in the time lines, midichlorians, story flaws, and many MANY more. I can remember a time when people thought the Ewoks were silly, but then compared to the Gungans they're not so bad after all. People's opinions change with the times.

Overall I can say that as a huge fan of Star Wars I was not as amazed by the prequels as I was by the originals, but I accept the 6 as a collection regardless. It can be argued back & forth which are better, which were more tangible successes and which ones were huge flops, etc. Still, no other film franchise has ever had the following that Star Wars has had, and it has left a permanent mark on our culture. It has entertained multiple generations and will continue to do so.

People are always gonna find something to gripe about. Before the prequels came out, people griped about the additions to the original trilogy Lucas added. Then it was the prequels. Now there's the ongoing argument about Lucas' intention (or lack there of) of the last 3 'fabled' installments that now 'no longer exist'. People are griping about the future of Star Tours and "what if this" & "what if that". I think we should be glad there is a Star Tours, and that they care enough to work on bringing it up to date. They could do away with it completely if they wanted to. Would you rather a Hannah Montana or High School Musical stage show?

All in all, whatever they do to Star Tours, someone will love it & some one will complain. I personally am glad that they are giving it a face lift. I think going to other places & seeing other things is a great idea. Along the lines of Soarin, they can continue to make new films & keep a beloved attraction.

Ok, enough rambling. Anyone need to borrow my soapbox . . . .

 

[jakeman]

And to sum up the argument about episodes 1, 2, and 3...


They are all a HUGE waste of time. 3 was pretty good...but a waste of time. Episode 2 should have been episode 3...ending with the birth of uniformed Vader. Episode 3 should have been Vader and the Empire just destroying and wiping out all of the Jedi.

Instead he wasted so much time on pod racing, and rolling around in fields on Naboo that he only had 2 minutes to kill ALL of the Jedi.

Then Luke in RotJ asks his sister what she remembers about her mother and she goes into this she was very pretty, very sad memory...DUDE SHE DIED 2 MINS AFTER YOU WERE BORN!!! Did he FORGET that part?

The movies 1, 2, and 3 are really not THAT bad...It is just for what they were supposed to be and the stories they were supposed to tell...it was just a mess, a bunch of lies, and a huge waste of time.

This.

While it is Lucas's universe and he can do what he wants with it, the timeline of the whole thing just irked me to no end. He told the prequel story the way he wanted to. For better or worse, he threw out a lot of what the Expanded Universe (and even his own original trilogy) had been built around the previous 16 years.

I think the saddest parts are the little stories you hear that imply he doesn't even remember his own original trilogy:

1. Having to re-film part of the immolation scene in RotS because he forgot that Obi-Wan gives Luke Anakin's lightsaber in ANH.

2. Palpatine stating that the Jedi had only guarded the Republic for 1,000 years as opposed to the 1,000 generation of ANH.

3. The simple fact that ever indication up to TPM had the Clone Wars about 20 years before they were actually shown. (Various EU works that were approved by Lucas all hinted to this fact.)

I think the disappointment with the older fans with the prequels (including me) is that we were expecting a sweeping tale of an intergalatic war and we got podracing, teenage pregnancy, and an implosion of almost every timeline set up before 1999. The war we wanted? It started at the end of 2 and finished at the beginning of 3.

I think people forget that the EU was the only thing that sustained the Star Wars community for 16 years. To have it casually, and continually brushed aside (even though Lucas was within his right to do so) is a bitter pill for some to swallow.

 

[Master Yoda]

It's an overwhelming fact that all "real fans" think the prequels totally suck.

In fact, they hardly make any sense or follow any basic storytelling rules.

George can easily screw up something good. I'd be scared for ST2, but I think WDI and Lasseter won't let him rape it. He's really into raping what he creates. :animwink:

Well I guess I am not a real fan then. Looks like I'll have see if Steve will let me change my screen name to Jean-Luc Picard.

You might want to read this article. I think it will do you some good.http://samuraifrog.blogspot.com/2008/02/another-open-letter.html

 

[jakeman]

Well I guess I am not a real fan then. Looks like I'll have see if Steve will let me change my screen name to Jean-Luc Picard.

You might want to read this article. I think it will do you some good.http://samuraifrog.blogspot.com/2008/02/another-open-letter.html

Sounds like another fan base I know...:lookaroun

I should probably clarify that my above post was to provide insight into the reasons behind the mindset, I don't actually consider my dislike to be as vehement as others.

The timeline thing does irk me, but at the end of the day, it's Lucas's world. I'm just glad he has allowed me to watch others play in it.

 

[Kamikaze]

You know, I wasn't going to say it, but why not:

The current ride doesn't even make sense!
What the hell Death Star are we blowing up? One that doesn't exist in the canon?

You can't like the current ride based a love of the fandom and the canon, because it doesn't fit into either.

I think people forget that the EU was the only thing that sustained the Star Wars community for 16 years. To have it casually, and continually brushed aside (even though Lucas was within his right to do so) is a bitter pill for some to swallow.

At least he didn't do a post-OT trilogy. I don't want to see those stories get blown up. Remember, for the most part, EU writers could not cover the area before the OT until episode one was being worked on. So the movies didn't do as much damage as a post-OT trilogy will or could.

 

[Xethis]

The current ride doesn't even make sense!
What the hell Death Star are we blowing up? One that doesn't exist in the canon? You can't like the current ride based a love of the fandom and the canon, because it doesn't fit into either.

I disagree. It makes sense in that it is a Star Wars 'themed' motion simulator, meant to give riders the 'feeling' of flying through space and/or familiar settings in a "Star Wars-esque" environment. No where in the ride's description, queue or feature does it specify "This happens 15 minutes before Luke blew up the first Death Star" or "This happens 1 hour before Lando blows up the second Death Star". Take it for what it is, a ride through familiar territory in a motion simulator.

 

[FigmentJedi]

The current ride doesn't even make sense!
What the hell Death Star are we blowing up? One that doesn't exist in the canon?

A third one
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star_III

 

[lebeau]

Then Luke in RotJ asks his sister what she remembers about her mother and she goes into this she was very pretty, very sad memory...DUDE SHE DIED 2 MINS AFTER YOU WERE BORN!!! Did he FORGET that part?

This part annoyed the cr@p out of me. And yet, no one else seems bother by it.

Thank you!

:sohappy:

 

[Hakunamatata]

This part annoyed the cr@p out of me. And yet, no one else seems bother by it.

Thank you!

:sohappy:

You will also remember at the end of episode III, Obi-one ( I apologize if the spellings of the names offends anyone if they are incorrect) is told by Yoda that he is going to have him work on being able to communicate with those that have passed on before......

Since the force is strong with her as well, is it possible that she has had some communication with her mother (all be it, possibly communication she does not understand....i.e., that possibly appears to her as dreams or memories) that would allow her to make that statement?:shrug:

 

[lebeau]

You will also remember at the end of episode III, Obi-one ( I apologize if the spellings of the names offends anyone if they are incorrect) is told by Yoda that he is going to have him work on being able to communicate with those that have passed on before......

Since the force is strong with her as well, is it possible that she has had some communication with her mother (all be it, possibly communication she does not understand....i.e., that possibly appears to her as dreams or memories) that would allow her to make that statement?:shrug:

I'm willing to stretch. But not that much.

 

[Hakunamatata]

i'm willing to stretch. But not that much.

:roflol: