A little meh at the end there. Hope the 500 has a more thrilling end
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MinnieM123
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I watched the qualifying today. I felt bad for Clint Boyer due to the wreck from Reed Sorenson. However, Clint put the blame on the wreck with NASCAR due to the newer format with the qualifying. He said that people work very hard for months to get these race cars ready, and this was unacceptable.
Yeah, I saw that yesterday and I have to agree with Clint.
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Looks liekan interesting front two rows for the 500 . Shocked BK had to rely on owners points to get in.(didn't see the duels so don't know if there were outside factors)
wdwfan4ver
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I watch the 2 150 qualifying races last night. Brad had problems with the draft at times despite having Joey Loagno. I can't remember if Brad took tires under the final caution like some other teams did. What I noticed is some cars during the race had issues going to the front.
wdwfan4ver
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True enough, but Dale Earnhardt Jr. or Dale Earnhardt Sr. usually finds a way near the front at a Restrictor Plate no matter what.Not Jr's though
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wdwfan4ver
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Kurt Busch in now suspended by NASCAR indefinitely with Regan Smith being the replacement driver. The question I have is what Stewart-Haas is going to do with the 41 car when Regan Smith is at a different race track for the Xfinity series.
wdwfan4ver
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The 20 people that are nominated for the NASCAR Hall of Fame are Alan Kulwicki, Ray Evernham, Mark Martin
Hershel McGriff, Harry Hyde, Buddy Baker, Red Byron, Richard Childress, Jerry Cook, Ray Fox, Rick Hendrick, Bobby Isaac, Terry Labonte, Raymond Parks, Benny Parsons, Larry Phillips, Bruton Smith, Curtis Turner, Robert Yates, and Mike Stefanik.
Alan Kulwicki was 1992 cup champion. Alan does not has the stats people expect, but his career starts were affected being a true independent driver, and died way too early. Alan died on April's Food Day back in 1993 at the age of 38 from an airplane crash. Alan was one of the 2 cup drivers that died in 1993 and the other one was Davey Allison.
I remembered Alan's death being a big Deal in Wisconsin and he was a big figure in Wisconsin at the time he died. Alan returned in January of 1993 for Alan Kulwicki Day and the School was packed by what I read.
Alan was the driver that got me into NASCAR. Alan Kulwicki had the classic underdog story in 1992. Terry Labonte years ago called Alan the Smartest person in the garage. Alan actually had a college degree in engineering way before Ryan Newman did. Alan got his start on Wisconsin short tracks before going to the cup series. Alan turned down a chance to be a driver for the Legendary Junior Johnson and stayed being an independent driver that won races once in a while.
What made Alan's 1992 season something out of Hollywood was the fact he came back from 278 points behind Bill Elliott with 6 races to go and won the championship. Bill Elliott was the driver of the same ride the Alan turned down. Alan won the championship at Atlanta by staying out 1 lap to leap more laps in a race despite Bill Elliott won the race.
What happened to Bill was a combination things problems including the owner and the crew chief behind the scenes not getting along. Junior Johnson was going through a divorce and after the 1992 season, Junior Johnson fired all of Bill Elliott's crew and Junior Johnson never recovered as an owner. Junior Johnson in 1992 even overruled Bill's crew chief from the pit box and it cost Bill a race in 1992.
As great as Bill Elliott was as a driver, he suffered 2 epic championship choke jobs with the first being in 1985. Alan was a better short track driver than Bill Elliott. This matter at a time when there was 8 short track races. Bill's weakness as a cup driver was short tracks and it did play a role in 1985 and 1992 in why he lost 2 of his 3 championship battles. Bill was at his best on ovals that are at least are 1 mile in Length.
Hershel McGriff, Harry Hyde, Buddy Baker, Red Byron, Richard Childress, Jerry Cook, Ray Fox, Rick Hendrick, Bobby Isaac, Terry Labonte, Raymond Parks, Benny Parsons, Larry Phillips, Bruton Smith, Curtis Turner, Robert Yates, and Mike Stefanik.
Alan Kulwicki was 1992 cup champion. Alan does not has the stats people expect, but his career starts were affected being a true independent driver, and died way too early. Alan died on April's Food Day back in 1993 at the age of 38 from an airplane crash. Alan was one of the 2 cup drivers that died in 1993 and the other one was Davey Allison.
I remembered Alan's death being a big Deal in Wisconsin and he was a big figure in Wisconsin at the time he died. Alan returned in January of 1993 for Alan Kulwicki Day and the School was packed by what I read.
Alan was the driver that got me into NASCAR. Alan Kulwicki had the classic underdog story in 1992. Terry Labonte years ago called Alan the Smartest person in the garage. Alan actually had a college degree in engineering way before Ryan Newman did. Alan got his start on Wisconsin short tracks before going to the cup series. Alan turned down a chance to be a driver for the Legendary Junior Johnson and stayed being an independent driver that won races once in a while.
What made Alan's 1992 season something out of Hollywood was the fact he came back from 278 points behind Bill Elliott with 6 races to go and won the championship. Bill Elliott was the driver of the same ride the Alan turned down. Alan won the championship at Atlanta by staying out 1 lap to leap more laps in a race despite Bill Elliott won the race.
What happened to Bill was a combination things problems including the owner and the crew chief behind the scenes not getting along. Junior Johnson was going through a divorce and after the 1992 season, Junior Johnson fired all of Bill Elliott's crew and Junior Johnson never recovered as an owner. Junior Johnson in 1992 even overruled Bill's crew chief from the pit box and it cost Bill a race in 1992.
As great as Bill Elliott was as a driver, he suffered 2 epic championship choke jobs with the first being in 1985. Alan was a better short track driver than Bill Elliott. This matter at a time when there was 8 short track races. Bill's weakness as a cup driver was short tracks and it did play a role in 1985 and 1992 in why he lost 2 of his 3 championship battles. Bill was at his best on ovals that are at least are 1 mile in Length.
wdwfan4ver
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Harry Hyde was a 1970 cup championship crew chief. Harry Hyde was one of the key people that made the early days of Hendrick Motorsports. The fact is without Harry Hyde, Hendrick Motorsports wouldn't have made it. Harry was portrayed in Days of Thunder including eating ice cream from the crew chief Pit Box
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Bobby Baker was a great super Speedway driver in his era that should have won 2 or 3 more Daytona 500's back in the 1970's, but the car couldn't last 500 miles. Buddy Baker was the first ever driver to reach over 200 MPH for an entire lap during a tire test at Talladega.
Buddy won major races and didn't do a lot of full time cup season for a very good reason. Buddy won 19 career cup races. Buddy made more money testing for goodyear than racing. Cup championships at one time didn't reward a lot of money to race teams and not a lot of teams went for championships as a result.
Hershel McGriff won 4 races in cup back in the 1950's, but he made a huge name for himself on the west coast and is a legend in NASCAR. He is the oldest driver ever to win a NASCAR championship back when he was 59 years old back in 1986.
There are more names I will tell more about in terms of those were Nominated for the NASCAR Hall of Fame.
.Bobby Baker was a great super Speedway driver in his era that should have won 2 or 3 more Daytona 500's back in the 1970's, but the car couldn't last 500 miles. Buddy Baker was the first ever driver to reach over 200 MPH for an entire lap during a tire test at Talladega.
Buddy won major races and didn't do a lot of full time cup season for a very good reason. Buddy won 19 career cup races. Buddy made more money testing for goodyear than racing. Cup championships at one time didn't reward a lot of money to race teams and not a lot of teams went for championships as a result.
Hershel McGriff won 4 races in cup back in the 1950's, but he made a huge name for himself on the west coast and is a legend in NASCAR. He is the oldest driver ever to win a NASCAR championship back when he was 59 years old back in 1986.
There are more names I will tell more about in terms of those were Nominated for the NASCAR Hall of Fame.
artvandelay
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Kurt has appealed the suspension and the hearing will probably be tomorrow. If he loses that appeal I think he can appeal to a commissioner (Helton?). The big question is does Gene Haas sideline the car w/o Kurt Busch after the Daytona 500? Haas sponsors that car out of his company's pocket and started the team specifically for Kurt Busch. No Kurt, no 41 car?
wdwfan4ver
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All I know is Kurt isn't going into the racecar on Sunday based on what Foxsports 1 said after the Trucks series race. It sounded like NASCAR isn't going to allow Kurt to race the 500 no matter what.
wdwfan4ver
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I think Ray Evernham and Mark Martin are still very well known. As far as Mark going to be inducted this year, I don't known for sure based the fact Mark Martin is from the same era as Terry Labonte. The voters in recent classes have been limiting the people who first became well known in the 1980's or late.
Ray Evernham is in the same boat since Ray Fox and Harry Hyde became mechanics/crew chiefs way before Ray was. Ray was the crew chief for Jeff Gordon back when Jeff first got started in NASCAR in the Busch series and in Cup before becoming a cup owner. Ray Fox got started
Red Byron is a person who I think a minority of people know about and is a person I felt should have been in the NASCAR Hall of Fame already despite his very short NASCAR Career. Red actually was a great race driver before NASCAR existed. Red did mostly Indy car and Sprint Cars before World War 2 to my knowledge. Red's career got short for a good reason despite being the first Champion in NASCAR's Modified series and first champion in the cup series.
Red got started as a race car driver back in the great depression in the 1930's before he serviced in World War 2. Red got started in racing when was 16 back in the early 1930's. The reason Red started so young was because Red claimed first drove an automobile when he was 5 and first owned a car that was a model T when he was 10! I have no idea how Red was allowed to drive and own a car at such a young age unless there was no laws for kids driving or owning cars at the time.
Red was a Tail gunner in World War 2 when his B-24 was shot at and Red Shattered his left Leg and his leg got rebuilt as a result. Red Byron was like many people that first got involved in NASCAR back in the late 1940's and 1950's in terms of a lot of these people serviced in World War II. These people thought racing was safe compared to what they lived through in World Wars II including one being part of D-Day. Red served 57 missions before that major injury happened and Red spent the next 27 months in Military hospitals with the doctors trying to rebuilt his left leg based on what I read. Red also age very prematurely as a result of his injuries and was a cripple as a result. Red was able to walk by using a cane.
When Red started racing again, he had his injured left leg put in a steel stirrup, which was bolted to the clutch. When Red won those 2 NASCAR Championships, he did it despite having a bad left leg. Red retired as driver early because of his declining health that was caused by World War II. Red did stay in Auto Racing being involved in racing for trying make make an American Sports Car good enough to win races before he died of a heart attack at the age of 45.
Ray Evernham is in the same boat since Ray Fox and Harry Hyde became mechanics/crew chiefs way before Ray was. Ray was the crew chief for Jeff Gordon back when Jeff first got started in NASCAR in the Busch series and in Cup before becoming a cup owner. Ray Fox got started
Red Byron is a person who I think a minority of people know about and is a person I felt should have been in the NASCAR Hall of Fame already despite his very short NASCAR Career. Red actually was a great race driver before NASCAR existed. Red did mostly Indy car and Sprint Cars before World War 2 to my knowledge. Red's career got short for a good reason despite being the first Champion in NASCAR's Modified series and first champion in the cup series.
Red got started as a race car driver back in the great depression in the 1930's before he serviced in World War 2. Red got started in racing when was 16 back in the early 1930's. The reason Red started so young was because Red claimed first drove an automobile when he was 5 and first owned a car that was a model T when he was 10! I have no idea how Red was allowed to drive and own a car at such a young age unless there was no laws for kids driving or owning cars at the time.
Red was a Tail gunner in World War 2 when his B-24 was shot at and Red Shattered his left Leg and his leg got rebuilt as a result. Red Byron was like many people that first got involved in NASCAR back in the late 1940's and 1950's in terms of a lot of these people serviced in World War II. These people thought racing was safe compared to what they lived through in World Wars II including one being part of D-Day. Red served 57 missions before that major injury happened and Red spent the next 27 months in Military hospitals with the doctors trying to rebuilt his left leg based on what I read. Red also age very prematurely as a result of his injuries and was a cripple as a result. Red was able to walk by using a cane.
When Red started racing again, he had his injured left leg put in a steel stirrup, which was bolted to the clutch. When Red won those 2 NASCAR Championships, he did it despite having a bad left leg. Red retired as driver early because of his declining health that was caused by World War II. Red did stay in Auto Racing being involved in racing for trying make make an American Sports Car good enough to win races before he died of a heart attack at the age of 45.
artvandelay
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Chevy has dropped him too. Even if he won an appeal, would Chevy allow him back in a car with the bow tie on the grill?
wdwfan4ver
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I am going more on information on other NASCAR Hall of Fame Nominees.
Mike Stefanik,Jerry Cook and Larry Phillips are legends in lower series. Jerry Cook was a 6 time modified champion back in the 1960's and 1970's. The late Larry Phillips was a 5 time champion in the NASCAR Weekly series that even won a championship over a mid 20's Greg Biffle when Larry was 52 or 53 years old. Larry Phillips is one of the true Midwest Stock Cars legends that a lot of drivers from Rusty Wallace's era learned short track racing from. Larry Phillips and Dick Trickle was the 2 drivers that NASCAR legends like Rusty Wallace and Mark Martin learned from.
Mike Stefanik is a North East legend that won Modified championships and NASCAR K&N East championships from 1989 to 2006.
While Robert Yates is known as a car owner, He became known in NASCAR before than. Robert Yates was one of the engine builders for the 1960's NASCAR power house organization of Holman-Moody. Yates also was part of one of the leading racing organizations in the mid 1970's to early 1980's at DiGard racing before he left there when the organization was self destructing within. DiGard also was known for complicated and binding contracts. Richard Childress and Rick Hendrick isn't in the NASCAR Hall of Fame yet due them being full time cup owners.
Terry Labonte was mentioned me before and I think he's a favorite to be one of the 5 nominated for the NASCAR Hall of Fame.
Benny Parsons actually was one of the great NASCAR cup drivers of the 1970's and early 1980's before being known for being an announcer. Benny won 21 cup races and the 1973 cup Championship. Benny as a driver in that era was below Richard Petty, David Pearson, Bobby Allison, Cale Yarborough, and later on Darrell Waltrip.
Bobby Isaac was the 1970 Cup champion. He's driver forgotten about by most people since he's before the television era of NASCAR. Bobby had had a short prime in cup that was 1968 to 1971. Bobby Isaac was referred to in the movie Days of Thunder by a line by Robert Duvall. Robert played a crew chief based on Bobby's 1970 crew chief Harry Hyde. The line was Robert's character saying "his former driver Bobby heard a voice said get of the race day during a race. Bobby Isaac did that on August 12th 1973 at Talladega with Bobby hearing a voice despite no one said that on the radio because he was afraid of dying of a heart attack on the race track. The odd thing about that is just 4 year and 2 days Bobby Isaac actually died of a heart attack at a race track when Bobby pulled in.
While Burton Smith is well known, Bruton Smith wasn't the first owner Charlotte Motor Speedway. Curtis Turner actually was. Curtis Turner was responsible for building Charlotte Motor Speedway before he was forced out by his business partners including Bruton Smith. Curtis Turner was involved in businesses besides racing despite being a party animal winning 17 races, and got banned by NASCAR for a time for starting a driver's union.
Raymond Parks was responsible for helping Bill France Sr. out despite being the owner of the first two championships in NASCAR by giving him advice and money. Raymond was a person that should I felt should have got into the NASCAR Hall of Fame Years ago.
Raymond Parks actually was into racing before World War and was involved in Moonshining. Raymond Parks was one of the first team owners in Stock car racing. Stock Car racing started before NASCAR and its roots was in moonshine.
Mike Stefanik,Jerry Cook and Larry Phillips are legends in lower series. Jerry Cook was a 6 time modified champion back in the 1960's and 1970's. The late Larry Phillips was a 5 time champion in the NASCAR Weekly series that even won a championship over a mid 20's Greg Biffle when Larry was 52 or 53 years old. Larry Phillips is one of the true Midwest Stock Cars legends that a lot of drivers from Rusty Wallace's era learned short track racing from. Larry Phillips and Dick Trickle was the 2 drivers that NASCAR legends like Rusty Wallace and Mark Martin learned from.
Mike Stefanik is a North East legend that won Modified championships and NASCAR K&N East championships from 1989 to 2006.
While Robert Yates is known as a car owner, He became known in NASCAR before than. Robert Yates was one of the engine builders for the 1960's NASCAR power house organization of Holman-Moody. Yates also was part of one of the leading racing organizations in the mid 1970's to early 1980's at DiGard racing before he left there when the organization was self destructing within. DiGard also was known for complicated and binding contracts. Richard Childress and Rick Hendrick isn't in the NASCAR Hall of Fame yet due them being full time cup owners.
Terry Labonte was mentioned me before and I think he's a favorite to be one of the 5 nominated for the NASCAR Hall of Fame.
Benny Parsons actually was one of the great NASCAR cup drivers of the 1970's and early 1980's before being known for being an announcer. Benny won 21 cup races and the 1973 cup Championship. Benny as a driver in that era was below Richard Petty, David Pearson, Bobby Allison, Cale Yarborough, and later on Darrell Waltrip.
Bobby Isaac was the 1970 Cup champion. He's driver forgotten about by most people since he's before the television era of NASCAR. Bobby had had a short prime in cup that was 1968 to 1971. Bobby Isaac was referred to in the movie Days of Thunder by a line by Robert Duvall. Robert played a crew chief based on Bobby's 1970 crew chief Harry Hyde. The line was Robert's character saying "his former driver Bobby heard a voice said get of the race day during a race. Bobby Isaac did that on August 12th 1973 at Talladega with Bobby hearing a voice despite no one said that on the radio because he was afraid of dying of a heart attack on the race track. The odd thing about that is just 4 year and 2 days Bobby Isaac actually died of a heart attack at a race track when Bobby pulled in.
While Burton Smith is well known, Bruton Smith wasn't the first owner Charlotte Motor Speedway. Curtis Turner actually was. Curtis Turner was responsible for building Charlotte Motor Speedway before he was forced out by his business partners including Bruton Smith. Curtis Turner was involved in businesses besides racing despite being a party animal winning 17 races, and got banned by NASCAR for a time for starting a driver's union.
Raymond Parks was responsible for helping Bill France Sr. out despite being the owner of the first two championships in NASCAR by giving him advice and money. Raymond was a person that should I felt should have got into the NASCAR Hall of Fame Years ago.
Raymond Parks actually was into racing before World War and was involved in Moonshining. Raymond Parks was one of the first team owners in Stock car racing. Stock Car racing started before NASCAR and its roots was in moonshine.
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wdwfan4ver
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That I don't know. There is a lot of questions if Kurt wins the appeal and is something I don't want to guess before everything plays out.
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MinnieM123
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I was stunned to see the ESPN report on this, especially with the timing for the Daytona 500. I think you have the right thoughts on this whole matter though, to wait and see what happens.
In the interim, I wish Regan Smith in the #41 for Stewart Haas, good luck in the race.
I think they are learning from the NFL and disassociating themselves to not give their product a stigma. The timing for the suspension is terrible as the charges were brought to light some time ago.
wdwfan4ver
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I am 99 percent sure Kyle Busch isn't racing tomorrow. I saw the Xfinity race on fox sports 1 and Kyle Busch hit head on to a wall without a safer barrier. Kyle's leg had to be wrapped in and was taken in the hospital by ambulance.
It seemed like Kyle broken his leg based on what I saw.
It seemed like Kyle broken his leg based on what I saw.
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