NadieMasK2
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DivineMadness7 said:
Let me know if you find an address to ABC, or perhaps to Disney-TV productions. I'd like to get my $.02 in.
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Let me know if you find an address to ABC, or perhaps to Disney-TV productions. I'd like to get my $.02 in.
NadieMasK2
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Sledge said:
I do not understand why they had a prawn play Toto. It makes absolutely no sense! I don't have a problem with changing the pet, but a prawn? After all, this is Oz, not Bikini Bottom!! :brick:
Having said that, his lines were the only redeeming part in the movie. He was very funny, although I kept thinking, "Hmmm.....Spanish-accented sly- humor sidekick......Shrek 2? Not even original..."
Sorry for the rant, I was just expecting more. They could have done so much with this movie!
erasure fan1
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I LOVE the muppets. This special was on par with the last Christmas special and muppets from space. All of them, not that good. Pepe is the best thing to come out of the post Henson era. The hardest thing for me and I am sure most big fans is Jim Henson and Frank Oz were geniuses. Together they made up one of the greatest comedic teams in history. They gave life to these creatures, a personality, feeling. You would forget they are just puppets. Disney needs to find a team of people that are passionate about the muppets. That understand what made them so loveable. It just might be to hard to fill those shoes. I will always watch and hope that Disney can get it right.
erasure fan1
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NadieMasK2 said:
Pepe was around LONG before shrek 2. The muppets came out with him for muppets tonight and that was about 10 years ago. Shrek is the non original one in this case.
NadieMasK2
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erasure fan1 said:
Oops, I guess I just never noticed him before. I didn't follow Muppets Tonight for very long, it just wasn't the same as the original show. Still, seems rather coincidental that they placed him in this role. :lookaroun
Invero said:
A couple of observations:
1. It wasnt a prawn. The close up showed a crawfish.
2. Whats with the adult comments (girls gone wild and nipple thing). I dont think Jim Henson would have approved.
3. The "female" version of the wizard when Gonzo was in the room.....I fully expectd her to bust out of her clothes and start strip teasing.....
I am rather dissappointed in the above stuff. I think its still the Eisner affect in full motion....Disney moving away from family oriented entertainment.
matt88mph
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Eh, it wasn't the best thing they've done. I will definately say that these are not the same Muppets that inspired me to act and work towards a career in the movies. I thought they aimed too much to adults.
I will say that Pepe was the funniest thing I saw in that movie. I don't think that Miss Piggy should've played the Wicked Witch of the West. When she gave the orders to destroy Kermit, I was expecting the real Miss Piggy to come out screaming "HANDS....OFF....MY....FROG!"
All in all, I give it a 2.75 out of 4.
I will say that Pepe was the funniest thing I saw in that movie. I don't think that Miss Piggy should've played the Wicked Witch of the West. When she gave the orders to destroy Kermit, I was expecting the real Miss Piggy to come out screaming "HANDS....OFF....MY....FROG!"
All in all, I give it a 2.75 out of 4.
Tom
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NadieMasK2 said:I do not understand why they had a prawn play Toto. It makes absolutely no sense! I don't have a problem with changing the pet, but a prawn? After all, this is Oz, not Bikini Bottom!! :brick:
Having said that, his lines were the only redeeming part in the movie. He was very funny, although I kept thinking, "Hmmm.....Spanish-accented sly- humor sidekick......Shrek 2? Not even original..."
Sorry for the rant, I was just expecting more. They could have done so much with this movie!
I agree that Pepe's lines were the funniest. I think this is how they cast the show:
"Ok, here are the roles we have. And since we don't want to invent any new characters, let's try to cast all the roles with ones we already have. We'll use the classic four (Kermit, Gonzo, Fozzie, Piggy) as the leads, we'll use Rizzo and a bunch of generic rats for the munchkins since they're short too, all the humans will be african american so we don't get sued for discrimination, except for the one weird guy for the wizard, and we'll use this annoying prawn thing as Toto, so that we can fill the movie with constant blabbering and let him have a comment on EVERYTHING, just like all talking animal sidekicks (Shrek, Men in Black, etc)."
Not trying to be rude or offensive, but I honestly think that's how it went. Keeping it low budget and playing the CYA game. If they invented new characters for the roles, they'd have to invent new voices, new attitudes, create all the different versions of each one, etc. Just my honest opinion.
I caught the Frank Oz comment. I liked it. As far as Rolf goes, it HAS been rumored (but only rumored) that Ralph no longer appears because he was in essence Jim's alter ego. That's just a rumor, mind you.
I think many of their movies had little inuendos in them, but they were much more subtle. They were way, way too blatant in this one. I think the big problem was that it was done not from good writing first, but as a marketing tool first. They had to get things in even if they didn't make sense. They also I think played a little too muc with some of the old gags. Carmella, for instance, has always been just a chicken, she never had much of a personailty, precisely because she was just a chicken. Now they are trying to make her into a character?
Oh well, it is a start. Even if people rip it apart, at least it shows there is some interest in it. The worst thing could be people don't even respond to it.
I think many of their movies had little inuendos in them, but they were much more subtle. They were way, way too blatant in this one. I think the big problem was that it was done not from good writing first, but as a marketing tool first. They had to get things in even if they didn't make sense. They also I think played a little too muc with some of the old gags. Carmella, for instance, has always been just a chicken, she never had much of a personailty, precisely because she was just a chicken. Now they are trying to make her into a character?
Oh well, it is a start. Even if people rip it apart, at least it shows there is some interest in it. The worst thing could be people don't even respond to it.
brresler
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I love the Muppets, and while this wasn't their best, the fact that Disney is tryng to use them is a step in the right direction. However, what I think a lot of people miss on this thread is that the Muppets started out being aimed at adults. Jim Henson originally made his puppets for shows like SNL and such, and the Muppet Show originally had a lot of innuendo. Other creations (Sesame Street, etc) were made for kids, but the Muppets didn't become exclusively for kids until recently. I sometimes am amazed at the stuff they got away with in the early days of the Muppet Show. The problem is the packaging. Hopefully the Muppets will be used to the fullest of their potential in the future (ie, not in a kid-friendly Wizard of Oz context with a few shocking jokes that cross the line).
wannab@dis
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KevinPage said:Hopefully they keep doing Muppets projects though
Why? If this is the kind of trash they will be making, then I say just leave it alone so the Muppets have a good history. There is no reason to destroy any good left in the line by releasing more crap.
There is absolutely no reason for the adult slant in the movie. They need to get back to family programming and understand clean humor is still respected. At the same time, decent production and casting will go a long ways to help them move the Muppets back to mainstream.
By the way, it appears that Henson was responsible for production. I know Disney bought the "rights", but did they buy the production units also? If not, they need to cut the production units loose and bring it totally in house. There is no reason to allow anyone associated with that movie to continue any projects.
DisneySam
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What they are completely missing is that the Muppets are funny just as themselves, they were really trying too hard for a laugh...although I was cracking up at Fozzie's escape... And yes as a Miss Piggy pure-ist when she had Kermit torn up I almost turned it off... It was just not what I expect from the Muppets. Also [I am not sure if this has already been mentioned] but when the trailer was "picked up" by the twister, I was like okay everyone knows what a mobile home park looks like after a bad storm or tornado, there is no way!
I wish they would just get that the Muppets are already funny...no need to make over-obvious jokes about Pop Culture...and yes Rizzo should have been Toto...I really missed his 1 liners....
I wish they would just get that the Muppets are already funny...no need to make over-obvious jokes about Pop Culture...and yes Rizzo should have been Toto...I really missed his 1 liners....
Rosso11
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brresler said:
I completely agree. They should stop trying to make the muppets strictly kid friendly with a few bad adult oriented jokes. They need to get back to their roots with the Muppet Show. The Muppet Show was very much aimed at adults along with children. I have talked to a lot of people my age about this 23-35 and we all agree. If the muppets would come out with a new show that was aimed at its origianal fans it would be a huge hit. Something in a similar fashion as Adult Swim on Cartoon network. My generation loves the muppets. It has been said on these boards that Disney believes it will be extremely expensive to get kids today to watch the muppets since they are barely known by most kids. In my opinion they are re-introducing the muppets completely wrong. They should first target the muppets built in fan base, then grow to the rest of the market. They are dumbing the Muppets down way to much. They need to get back to the Muppets we love.
