Multiple Fast Passes

[Tip Top Club]

I'm not sure where this rumor about Fingerprint "Groups" came from, each ticket's biometric data is exclusive, and they are non-transferable. However, this situation is not unheard of, that is, getting Disney's Fastpass ticket's for guests who have not yet entered the park, and sometimes the Cast member is understanding. (As stated before, if the tickets were not scanned at the front entrance, they will print out a "Not a Valid Fastpass - This ticket was not scanned at Disney's Hollywood Studios" (or Whatever)). Ultimately it probably depends on the ride, if you start at Toy Story and ask for extra Fastpasses for your family, they will probably say no, if you go to somewhere like Winnie the Pooh, they might say yes.

 

[Becky]

I came up with a scenario that may work, although quite time consuming.


Enter using your pass...go back out exit...turn around and reenter using wife's pass....turn around and reenter using child's pass....etc.

Now all pass have been activated and you can now get your fastpasses for those asleep. (Note:By this time they are more than likely on their way to meet you anyway!)



This SHOULD work since all tickets in a group should all be keyed to the same fingerprint group.

And how do they get into the park? You have the tickets not them. Since you used your finger for their passes if you go out and give them the tickets later their tickets will not work as the scanner will not match their finger with the tickets. So you have the whole family show I.D.'s while a number of people behind you are fuming as the whole process you used ties the line up for a long time.

 

[got2lovedisney]

In my experience, if you're getting to the parks that early, the fast pass will be valid pretty quickly. Not sure it's worth the hassle of going in and out and in again just to have the fast pass time pop up in an hour. Also, theoretically, you shouldn't be able to enter with your wife/child ticket as you don't have a biometric match to the template on file. At that point, they can ask for your ID. Embarrassing. (PS I believe it's biometric, not fingerprints that's being recorded)

 

[tinkerbell_S]

I'm gonna say get them outta bed and to the parks! They'll wake up on the way! :sohappy:

 

[Buried20KLeague]

And how do they get into the park? You have the tickets not them. Since you used your finger for their passes if you go out and give them the tickets later their tickets will not work as the scanner will not match their finger with the tickets. So you have the whole family show I.D.'s while a number of people behind you are fuming as the whole process you used ties the line up for a long time.

If the idea that the biometrics between passes bought at the same time with the same credit card are linked, your point is moot.

And I believe they HAVE to be linked... The confusion caused at the turnstyles constantly by mom and dad accidentally swapping passes before entering (not to mention the kids) would create more of a bottleneck than your concern above.

It makes sense that they would be tied to each credit card transaction.

Meaning in theory what I and unkadug suggested would work.

When you buy tickets from the automated machines, or when you buy them from a ticket booth at the TTC, are names even assigned to the tickets?? I didn't think they were. I thought you walked up to the automated ticket machines, buy however many identical tickets you need, and off you go. If there are no names on them, the biometrics would HAVE to be linked, because there's no way to know which ticket was for which... They would just be treated as a group of tickets for a group of people, all bought at the same time. The first time a finger scan was done on each ticket, it would go into the "approved" group of biometrics.

Unless I'm wrong, and every single ticket media always has to have an individual name on it to tie it to a specific person (even those bought at the booths and automated machines. It's been a few years since I've used those automated machines at the TTC so I don't remember for sure.

Either way, you can bet I'm going to test this next time I'm there, just because I'm curious.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

In my experience, if you're getting to the parks that early, the fast pass will be valid pretty quickly. Not sure it's worth the hassle of going in and out and in again just to have the fast pass time pop up in an hour. Also, theoretically, you shouldn't be able to enter with your wife/child ticket as you don't have a biometric match to the template on file. At that point, they can ask for your ID. Embarrassing. (PS I believe it's biometric, not fingerprints that's being recorded)

1. Fastpasses don't have to be used solely within the window printed on the ticket. A fastpass that ends at noon can be used at 8PM.

2. See my other post (above this one) to address your second point.

 

[Becky]

If the idea that the biometrics between passes bought at the same time with the same credit card are linked, your point is moot.

The first time a finger scan was done on each ticket, it would go into the "approved" group of biometrics.

Unless I'm wrong, and every single ticket media always has to have an individual name on it to tie it to a specific person (even those bought at the booths and automated machines. .

No names (unless AP/FR) but once used the tickets , not credit card used to buy them, are linked to the individual. OP has not indicated how he plans to get the family in since 1. He has all the tickets and 2. The tickets are now all linked to him and will not scan for the family members.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

No names (unless AP/FR) but once used the tickets , not credit card used to buy them, are linked to the individual. OP has not indicated how he plans to get the family in since 1. He has all the tickets and 2. The tickets are now all linked to him and will not scan for the family members.

That doesn't make any sense. If I bought 5 tickets at the automated booth (all in one transaction on the same credit card) and passed them out to my family, then we entered the gates for the first time each using one of those tickets, HOW would we know, the next time we wanted to enter a park, WHICH ticket we each used the previous time since there are no names on them and they're all identical??

The bios have to be linked. They've GOTTA be. I think I'm right. :drevil:

You mention credit cards linked to tickets... Just to clarify, I'm not saying CC's are linked to tickets in any way... Only that the method of linking the biometrics of a group of tickets would be based on a single transaction on a single credit card.

To your point about getting the family in after he's already entered the park with each ticket... If what I guess about linked bios is accurate, and it wasn't the first time using the tickets when he entered on his own, there would be no problem.

 

[Captain Hank]

I'm honestly not sure about the biometrics being linked among all of the tickets purchased in a single transaction. However, I don't believe large tour groups are too careful about who in their group gets what ticket, and they seem to get through the turnstiles with a minimum of hassle. :shrug:

Anyway, in regard to the confusion over who "owns" what ticket within a family, that's one reason why Guests are strongly encouraged to sign the back of their ticket.

Finally, exit turnstiles are almost always staffed by Cast Members. They'd certainly notice and begin to question if the same Guest were coming past them multiple times in the morning. It says on the back of the ticket "Must be used by the same person on any and all days." It also says "Revocable." Please play by the rules of the FastPass system. They're there to make it as fair as possible to all Guests.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

I'm honestly not sure about the biometrics being linked among all of the tickets purchased in a single transaction. However, I don't believe large tour groups are too careful about who in their group gets what ticket, and they seem to get through the turnstiles with a minimum of hassle. :shrug:

Anyway, in regard to the confusion over who "owns" what ticket within a family, that's one reason why Guests are strongly encouraged to sign the back of their ticket.

Finally, exit turnstiles are almost always staffed by Cast Members. They'd certainly notice and begin to question if the same Guest were coming past them multiple times in the morning. It says on the back of the ticket "Must be used by the same person on any and all days." It also says "Revocable." Please play by the rules of the FastPass system. They're there to make it as fair as possible to all Guests.

To be clear... I'm merely discussing the topic because it's interesting conversation. Nothing wrong with that, I don't think.

It's fun to think about how to "work the system".

 

[Timekeeper]

Actually, it does specify on the invalid FastPass that the ticket was not used for admission. Demagnetized tickets don't typically print out anything--the machine tries to feed the ticket back and forth a few times, beeps twice and spits the ticket back out.

Even better! :sohappy:

 

[CP_alum08]

1. Fastpasses don't have to be used solely within the window printed on the ticket. A fastpass that ends at noon can be used at 8PM.

2. See my other post (above this one) to address your second point.

Shhhhhh, there are people who still don't know this is THE best kept Disney Secret :lol: lets not go ruining it for anyone who does know!

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Shhhhhh, there are people who still don't know this is THE best kept Disney Secret :lol: lets not go ruining it for anyone who does know!

My bad.

:lookaroun

I probably shouldn't post the CM memo with the fastpass "rules" and how to handle different types of guest FP issues then, eh?? :drevil:

 

[unkadug]

And how do they get into the park? You have the tickets not them. Since you used your finger for their passes if you go out and give them the tickets later their tickets will not work as the scanner will not match their finger with the tickets. So you have the whole family show I.D.'s while a number of people behind you are fuming as the whole process you used ties the line up for a long time.

It was a hypothetical situation. You would leave the park again and return to the room to wake them up and give them their tickets and fastpasses. They COULD enter the park since all tickets are coded for the same group of biometrics. No showing of ID's...no fuming of guests.

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Finally, exit turnstiles are almost always staffed by Cast Members. They'd certainly notice and begin to question if the same Guest were coming past them multiple times in the morning. It says on the back of the ticket "Must be used by the same person on any and all days." It also says "Revocable." Please play by the rules of the FastPass system. They're there to make it as fair as possible to all Guests.

Captain Hank...this is all hypothetical and way too much trouble and time consuming to ever be practical.

 

[mr_braver23]

Just kick their tails out of bed and make them go! It's Disney after all!!! They can sleep at home!:ROFLOL:

This works for me!

:snore::snore::snore::snore::snore::snore::

 

[AEfx]

You hear people talk quite often about the "pooling" of biometric data, but I think that's a false impression based on good evidence.

I think it's the fact that the bio-metrics are no where near as reliable as one might think, which accounts for the experiences people have with family members mixing up tickets and still getting in.

 

[CaptainShortty]

That doesn't make any sense. If I bought 5 tickets at the automated booth (all in one transaction on the same credit card) and passed them out to my family, then we entered the gates for the first time each using one of those tickets, HOW would we know, the next time we wanted to enter a park, WHICH ticket we each used the previous time since there are no names on them and they're all identical??

This is why a) the tickets are printed with various characters on them. Instead of having to look at the back, Mom now has Goofy, Dad has Pluto, Junior Mickey, etc., etc. b) When you buy the tickets you are SUPPOSED to be told to sign the back of the ticket. If you buy them in front of the parks the CM will often give you a pen right there and ask you to sign them to eliminate confusion. As far as I'm aware, each ticket is linked only to the person who first uses it.

 

[unkadug]

This is why a) the tickets are printed with various characters on them. Instead of having to look at the back, Mom now has Goofy, Dad has Pluto, Junior Mickey, etc., etc. b) When you buy the tickets you are SUPPOSED to be told to sign the back of the ticket. If you buy them in front of the parks the CM will often give you a pen right there and ask you to sign them to eliminate confusion. As far as I'm aware, each ticket is linked only to the person who first uses it.

The tickets have always had different artwork (at least since they got away from E tickets) just for them to be more collectible. The main reason for signing then is to deter reselling...

I know that when I buy three tickets, it makes no difference who uses the ticket for entry, it works for any of us. Take that as you may. :wave:


How many of you have ever had problems with the finger scan and the cast member waves you on through anyway? It's happened in my group several times when I know that we were using the correct tickets and I have never signed a ticket!

 

[Timekeeper]

Also, there is a difference in the kinds of "tickets" used for admission between resort guests and other guests (day, multi-day, seasonal, annual, comp, etc.) The average day guest may not know what those "blue credit card looking things" are.

 

[cally1973]

Each ticket is linked to the first person who uses it with their finger. To be able to use a ticket in a fastpass machine it must go thru the turnstile. Cast members will not allow a ticket to be used at the turnstiles without a person with the ticket. So if you have two tickets and only one person they will only be able to use one of the tickets.