EPCOT Multiple 3-hour+ waits at EPCOT

[HauntedPirate]

There hasn’t been a phased closure of MK since NYE 2016.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There hasn’t been a phased closure of MK since NYE 2016.

When they had an attendance drop and Bob said “oh we wanted it that way…it’s “luxury” now…yeah…totally…
Know have your cupcake as you watch the fireworks and get on the damn teacups ”

 

[Ayla]

1. Christmas Week has not been as bad post-COVID/price hikes, I thought the era of 220 minute waits was generally over and it seems to be for most parks.

2. None of the other parks besides EPCOT have absurd 3.5 hour waits, especially not for multiple rides.

3. Confused why people are defending it.

No one is defending it. They are telling you facts, which you historically have a hard time accepting.

It's Epcot, on NYE.

 

[Pizza Moon]

No one is defending it. They are telling you facts, which you historically have a hard time accepting.

It's Epcot, on NYE.

I’m referring to X chatter, mostly.

Historically, the gap hasn’t been THIS wide between parks on NYE.

But I was more just reporting the wait times as this is a news discussion board, so if people were in the parks they’d know to stay away from EPCOT if they didn’t want to deal with that level.

Would be interesting to see average wait times from the last few years compared to now.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Historically, the gap hasn’t been THIS wide between parks on NYE.

The wait times at Epcot have always been insane on NYE - so the gap between MK and Epcot is unusual - the wait times at Epcot is not.

All the years run together - I was at WDW for new years from 04/05 until 19/20 - but it was very normal to see guest relations CM’s at MK bus stops telling guests the MK was full.

The secret at the time was… if you can actually get to the front gate - you can get it. I’d take a resort bus over to grand and then take the boat usually.

 

[Pizza Moon]

That definitely wasn't a problem for EPCOT. It had one of the best attraction lineups of any theme park ever.

The content of a ride is what matters; not the ride system. Otherwise every flying coaster is the same ride, every omnimover is the same ride, etc.

The issue with EPCOT was that some of the attractions (although not all) were at least partially outdated by the early 1990s and needed content updates. The park was wildly successful in the 1980s with the original attraction lineup.

Yeah no, it was always our ptov

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This “show” in the empty picnic area in world showcase…is an embarrassment

A clown show…like six flags on a day when they don’t want to try

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah no, it was always our ptov

You were before after it started sucking…just saying

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

This “show” in the empty picnic area in world showcase…is an embarrassment

A clown show…like six flags on a day when they don’t want to try

What show?

 

[Chi84]

What show?

Apparently there are clowns . . .

 

[UNCgolf]

Yeah no, it was always our ptov

What?

The thing is that there was no problem with EPCOT (before parts became outdated). I'm not sure when someone created that narrative, but it's not backed up by the evidence. It was very popular in the 1980s and was more successful than most parks Disney has built since.

 

[Goofyernmost]

The SeaCabs were part of the reason the Living Seas was such a masterpiece (one of Imagineering's all-time triumphs). But they were never intended to be a standalone attraction; it doesn't really make sense to compare them to Nemo one to one. They were only one component of a larger whole.

Nemo is also one of the worst rides at WDW.

I don't consider the omni SeaCab to be a ride. It was once part of what made Living Seas important and in many cases fascinating. We lost the SeaCabs long before Nemo became an item. The Cabs originally gave us the perspective of being surrounded by water and slowly moving through an underwater tunnel that allow us to be part of the underwater experience. Add to that the Hydolaters it became an adventure instead of just feeling like you were looking at a large scale home aquarium. It was one of the most literal immersive attractions ever built. Now it is just if you've seen one fish you've seen them all.

Nemo gave us the Sea Cabs back but basically blocked out the original underwater ride. Instead we got a cartoon show that by association made the real parts of it that still remained just seem like a continuation of the cartoon. Instead of the display of sea life at eye level we got a clown fish. It basically made the place something that wasn't worth seeing as an adult.

 

[jah4955]

I don't consider the omni SeaCab to be a ride. It was once part of what made Living Seas important and in many cases fascinating. We lost the SeaCabs long before Nemo became an item. The Cabs originally gave us the perspective of being surrounded by water and slowly moving through an underwater tunnel that allow us to be part of the underwater experience. Add to that the Hydolaters it became an adventure instead of just feeling like you were looking at a large scale home aquarium. It was one of the most literal immersive attractions ever built. Now it is just if you've seen one fish you've seen them all.

Nemo gave us the Sea Cabs back but basically blocked out the original underwater ride. Instead we got a cartoon show that by association made the real parts of it that still remained just seem like a continuation of the cartoon. Instead of the display of sea life at eye level we got a clown fish. It basically made the place something that wasn't worth seeing as an adult.

As they admitted since it's 1986 opening, it was part of a greater whole (the pavilion far greater than the sum of the parts)

 

[monothingie]

I’m referring to X chatter, mostly.

Historically, the gap hasn’t been THIS wide between parks on NYE.

But I was more just reporting the wait times as this is a news discussion board, so if people were in the parks they’d know to stay away from EPCOT if they didn’t want to deal with that level.

Would be interesting to see average wait times from the last few years compared to now.

Maybe shift from appealing to families to Disney adults has consequences?

 

[Fox&Hound]

Fact: Nemo would be much improved without a lazy “I lost Nemo” plot again. Make it educational. This one has Nemo making fun of the fact that he is “lost” again and playing on his dad’s trauma. Pretty messed up.

 

[jah4955]

Fact: Nemo would be much improved without a lazy “I lost Nemo” plot again. Make it educational. This one has Nemo making fun of the fact that he is “lost” again and playing on his dad’s trauma. Pretty messed up.

Thank you! I've been waiting 19 years for someone to say that!

 

[HMF]

Thank you! I've been waiting 19 years for someone to say that!

Indeed, as I have stated numerous times, adding some light Nemo theming and Turtle Talk to help bring younger demographics into the Living Seas would have been fine. My issue has always been that they turned the whole pavilion into a Finding Nemo playground which barely pays lip service to the actual subject and doesn't even try to appeal to anyone over the age of ten. The most intelligent use of IP in EPCOT history was Circle of Life at The Land. Sure it was character based but it was only one part of a larger whole. It's not like The Land became the Lion King Pavilion as with what Nemo did to Living Seas.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

My issue has always been that they turned the whole pavilion into a Finding Nemo playground which barely pays lip service to the actual subject and doesn't even try to appeal to anyone over the age of ten.

I wouldn’t go that far - the aquariums are still the majority of the pavilion and there is plenty to learn. The room with the plastic sharks is unfortunate.

 

[HauntedPirate]

If only there was some way they could use something like a manta ray as a teacher along with Nemo and friends…

 

[Disstevefan1]

Do anyone think the living seas pavilion will be destroyed and replaced with some random Disney IP based attraction that has no aquarium or water?

While I love the tranquility of looking at the sea life there, Disney is a business, and business is business and they must focus on building things that have lower maintenance costs that can sell LLs!