MSNBC Reports on Eisner.

civileng68

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MSNBC on TV today reported that public opinion on Eisner is dropping like a load of bricks.

Evidently they said that generally when a company's stock holders of more than 20% vote no, that generally the CEO is asked to step down.


They are saying that they expect at least 30% now to vote "no" and that they predict Eisner could be out of office within the next 10 days.
 

mickey04

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I really don;t know how to feel about all this any more. If you had told me a month ago that it was expected that it was expected that Eisner would be out in the next ten days, I would have leaped out of my seat and danced up and down the street singing "Zip-a-dee-do-dah" (okay, not really) but now I don't know anymore. If Eisner is voted out, it might make Disney seem weak and the Comcast takeover might succeed. And even if it doesn't, who is going to replace him? Some numbers guy that's popular on Wall Street but couldn't care less about the "Disney magic?" Now is the time for Roy and Stan to step up and "save Disney." If they don't take action and name a candidate for CEO and how they feel about Comcast soon, I fear for the worst. In that senerio, Eisner may have actually been the lesser of two evils. All I know is that things are about to get very interesting.
 

civileng68

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well

well we can't have our cake and eat it too and we cannot get scared of things when we realize how bad it is. We can't sit back and realize how bad things are and then when something happens chicken out. Not that you are. Im just saying we gotta STAY STRONG here.

first off, I think what is being talked about IF this happens is that no, it wouldnt be just somebody else. It would likely be someone from the board and they are suggesting to keep someone from having too much power like eisner does to seperate it into the two positions he has. Instead of him being called CEO and whatever he is, it would be two seperate people. This would create an even balance of power.

Once company voting no, that owns 19M stock shares said that they are asking that the CEO answer to the board, not the board to the CEO.

Listen, there's nothing to worry about here. The stockholders are speaking and Disney has to listen now, or risk losing all their stockholders, which they won't. It's all in good control and good hands.

Not to mention that if this does happen and a new guy comes in that Roy and Stanley are likely to be back in the company and be able to impress more of their opinions and ideas on the current issues.
 

Pat X

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I agree with Mickey04. What most concerns me now is Comcast. The replace Eisner campaign has really made the company look weaker than it actually is. First quarer earnings were HUGE, but no one seems to care. I am just worried things are only going to get worse. If I am proven wrong, great. But I am not so optimistic now.
 

wannabeBelle

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Let's keep in mind that in the early 80's when Michael Eisner was brought into the company to begin with ( By Roy Disney by the way) the current CEO named Ron Miller was forced out, stepped down whichever terminology is more correct is OK for me. Ron Miller was Walt's son in law, so I dont know if the whole family thing will be carried on by Roy Disney. Also why are no other members of the Disney family involved in the company now? I know Diane Disney Miller, the oldest daughter, has 5 kids including Walt's namesake, Walter Elias Disney Miller, who is a real cutie!!! I am sure Sharon, Walt's other daughter has a few children also and what about Roy's children? I am unsure about what to think regarding this matter but I dont think we have all of the information. I am not sure we ever will. Belle
 

Bill

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Excellent. My plan is working to perfection. By the time the next CEO is kicked out, I will be ready to be CEO.
 

MKCP 1985

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Originally posted by wannabeBelle
Let's keep in mind that in the early 80's when Michael Eisner was brought into the company to begin with ( By Roy Disney by the way) the current CEO named Ron Miller was forced out, stepped down whichever terminology is more correct is OK for me. Ron Miller was Walt's son in law, so I dont know if the whole family thing will be carried on by Roy Disney.

Aaah, Belle, but remember too that in that same time period, Saul Steinberg attempted a hostile takeover of the Walt Disney Co., (hello Comcast, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates?) which was thwarted when the Bass brothers from Texas stepped up and bought enough stock in the company to hold the hounds at bay. Steinberg was a classic 80s corporate raider whose philosophy was to buy undervalued companies and maximize return by carving up and selling off assets. Steinberg was defeated, but not b4 pocketing a handsome premium for his Disney shares. In fact, it was Steinberg's fleecing of Disney that helped put "greenmail" into the glossary of finance textbooks of the day. ( A Disney shareholder lawsuit succeeded in recovering $45 million of the $60 million premium he negotiated to "go away")

Roy Disney was very prominent in those dark times, standing with the Bass boys. Eisner and Katzenberg had been boy wonders at Paramount, was it, and it was quite a feather in the Disney cap to bring them aboard. Yes, there was a day when Michael Eisner was a hero to Disney stockholders. He was never any Ron Miller.

As the talking skull is wont to say, "Brace yerselves, there be squalls ahead!" (That IS what it says, isn't it?" That's the challenge of posting on this board - so many people know, really know, so much more detail about the subject matter!)
 

civileng68

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Comcast

I really dont think the Comcast thing will happen either way.

About the Disney family, I dont want Roy as CEO but back in his deserved position. Roy had a major morale affect on the employees that worked for the great company.

I am not an Eisner fan but when I saw his arrogance on the show with Larry King I really saw his bad side live for the first time. He was fine until Comcast was mentioned, then he became very arrogant. He also lied a little about the Animation Studio. He did one of those politician lies that is neither a lie nor the truth but meant to cause misunderstanding.

NO thread drifts please of bashing. Keep this one to the point.

If 30% vote no, which is what is being predicted now it looks nearly certain that Eisner will no longer be CEO. Whomever is CEO I will say this.............the nice thing is that the shareholders always have a say..............and the biggest shareholders are saying that the CEO position should be split in two where one doesnt have any authority over the other. That sounds great to me.
 

Sherm00

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Right now Disney's stock is too high for a comcast takeover. If Eisner is out one of two things could happen Disney stock can go down seeing that there is currently no "announced" new leader to take eisners position, OR, The stock could go up, seeing that there is finially seeing change in the company, Plus the current purchase of the muppets could make the stocks skyrocket. IT could also make way for another takeover bid. I don't know about Jobs, he is a very smart man and knows exactly what he wants and goes after it. Microsoft maybe, Microsoft has been eyeing square beacause of Kingdom Hearts. He wants that for his Xbox. Also Microsoft has been trying to become the media giant of the next generation, MSNBC and the XBOX was only the first step. I think Microsoft would not only build up the parks but build up alot more content as well. Also Bill gate like to shove money into things just for fun. Look at the XBOX it's been currently loosing money but microsoft keeps pushing and pushing till it starts to make money. Thats what disney has done in the past and needs to do now. just so long as the rides don't start to crashing every 20 minutes. or get DLL errors in the middle of mission space or something, If I had a choice for a company for disney to merge with it would be microsoft. I hope in NEVER happens but if they got to merge with someone to stay alive...
 

Pat X

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Honestly, as long as Disney remains an independent company, I could care less who is CEO.....the thought of the Disney parks being sold off freaks me out.

Regarding Microsoft, there were several articles yesterday about how the company really doesn't want to go into content. They do have a lot of cash on hand after fighting the government's attempt to break them up.

I also don't think there are other buyers out there for Disney. Most of the other big media conglomerants have already said they aren't interested in Disney.

There is a rumor though that Comcast will up there offer on the morning of the shareholder meeting and it will include some cash. :fork:
 

wannabeBelle

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I agree lets keep the information coming!!!! Thanks for the info on the Bass brothers, MKCP. I knew nothing of them until this post!!! I appreciate all the information and opinions voiced on the boards, it helps me to understand and talk more intelligently on the matter at hand!!! Thanks again all!!!! Belle
 

Pat X

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Well, here is another article for ya...

I'd like to point this out though:

"Nell Minow, a governance analyst at the Corporate Library, said the vote would send a message to Comcast and other potential buyers. "The higher the vote of no confidence, the more vulnerable the company is," she said."

Also

"We believe that Comcast would cite the shareholder vote as evidence that a management change is in order," he wrote.

"The Comcast offer is now worth about $3.20 per share less than Disney's shares are trading on the New York Stock Exchange (News - Websites) , although the discount has narrowed from $3.60 in mid-February, when Disney rejected the bid. Comcast's all-stock offer represented a 10 percent premium when it was made."

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040227/media_disney_2.html
 

skipperg

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My personal opinion is that it is not only Eisner, but many CEO's and Elected State and Federal Politicians just don't have a grasp on what the every day person's real lives are like. I am very fortunate in that I have made many trips to WDW and can pay for them.

I see many people visiting WDW that I hear and know who are going to be paying for their trips for the next several years. This is a once in a life time trip.

We visitors to WDW, WDWMagic.com and many of the other boards can spend Disney's Money so easily for them. All new this, All new that. But it isn't going to happen. Being in business myself the past 28 years I can understand their reasons for cutbacks and trying to put off some repairs as long as possible. The part I don't understand is the layoffs of the CM's and employee's that make the Magic Happen. Laying off these employee's and having CEO's getting bonuses during a time when the attendance was down. I just don't understand.

Remember this: With Michael Eisner, you know what you have. Without Michael Eisner, you don't know what you might get.

His tenure to date has brought much to WDW and Disney in general. Hopefully either he or if he is replaced that not only WDW, Disney Corp. and our entire economy improve.

Joe
 

cherrynegra

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I think the trouble Eisner is in now is merely a culmination of the past ten years making enemies, bad decision making, and the effect of Enron and other corporate giants mismanagement of their respective companies. Or at the very least perceived mismanagement. I believe shareholders have simply had it and want to voice their dissatisfaction.

True, the company did do extremely well in the past quarter, but the pension funds and other financial groups are taking a serious look at the past five to ten years. They frankly don't care about the personalities involved, and they certainly don't care about people like us who have an emotional investment in Disney overall. They are more concerned with the numbers. That is, increasing their stock worth. And they obviously feel that new leadership is needed to make them more money.

As for the purchasing of Disney by some other party due in part to the oust Eisner campaign giving the impression of weakness, I don't know that it's so much a perception that Disney is weak, you can argue that to whatever end you like, so much that it's the media holdings in the company that people really want. I can see why Comcast would want them because of ABC and ESPN. That's why people have discussed possibilities of selling those particular holdings and maintaining the core assests that make up Disney.
 

Disneyland1970

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I also agree that the real Eisner has been brought to light in the past moth or so. I want Eisner out because of what he has done to my place of childhood memories and recent trips with my daughter. I also believe that is what makes Disney a unique name in this game of big business buyouts and takeovers. Most of us do not have a connection with too many places we do business or vacation with. We buy gas/groceries/clothes most of the time from the most economical and convient place we can. We do not carry lifelong memories or warm fuzzies from our last tank of gas. Many of us must feel some sort of connection with Disney or we would not spend so much time on here. I feel Eisner has treated Disney like an everyday company and not like the legacy that it is looked at by most. I grew up on Disney and do not consider myself a person who voices there opinion about most things, but Eisner has just Pi**ed me off the last couple of years with his non-chalant(SP) way of letting Disney go down hill. I get a great rush of happiness with every new article on his descent! I understand his job is to make stockholders happy, but he has failed there also it seems.

As far as Comcast. I feel if Eisner were to leave Disney tomorrow, the stock will rebound even more and make Comcast even more of a memory....... But my opinion and $3 will get you a cup of coffee in WDW :)

The next couple of weeks will definately be worth the price of admission:)
 

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