More Wrapped Buses

[flynnibus]

If WDW management suddenly decided to rip out all corporate sponsorship and all third party presence in the park. I would then maybe concede that they are distracting

What? Until Disney decides they are bad... you won't change your view of them? Isn't that just saying "I'll take whatever Disney says.."?

And again.. this is not some 'all or nothing' as I've elaborated on before. Disney can't magically say "Fire safety doesn't fit our vision... yet that doesn't mean they implement it the same as your local school building. The difference is in the execution.

How long before we have "Disney's 5th gate, Cokeland, presented by Coca Cola"? Using some of the justifications here... Disney did it, I like coke, and I see Coke everywher else... so its all good!

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Ooo a threat.

Classy.

I guess rhetorical devices are beyond you.

 

[jakeman]

I guess rhetorical devices are beyond you.

Just bad ones.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yes, at a theme park, a restaurant and/or ride is MUCH more important to me than the method in which I arrive at said theme park. If I can look past advertising on a ride itself without ever questioning it, why shouldn't I do so on a free bus service that is offered to me as a resort guest.

You're going back to the idea that there is no larger experience. That there is no such thing as Walt Disney World. Just a collection of things that happened to be near each other and owned by Disney.

 

[arko]

uhmm... the post it was responding to (bolding added)



and from my post... again bolding added)





I'll just point you to @lazyboy97o 's repeated posts on this... there is no need to rehash what he has already pointed out.

casa de Fritos was open till 1982
Chicken of the Sea restaurant was changed in 1969 when they dropped sponsorship

Disney had full control of Disneyland in 1960 when he bought out ABC's shares, he had no intention of kicking any of them out as long as they gave him money.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Just bad ones.

Let me explain, it was a somewhat humorous way to say that there is only one correct answer and it most likely isn't the one that he wants to give. I have no actual intentions and I don't believe that anyone else believes that it was an actual threat to go over to his house and slap him.

 

[sshindel]

You're going back to the idea that there is no larger experience. That there is no such thing as Walt Disney World. Just a collection of things that happened to be near each other and owned by Disney.

Nope. Not at all. I just don't believe that somehow a bus having Disney Infinity on it "ruins" the larger experience any more-so than a giant white bus with Disney on the side of it (filled with ads for Disney/ESPN/ABC products) does when it pulls up to my frontier inspired campground or Louisiana bayou.

 

[flynnibus]

Yes, at a theme park, a restaurant and/or ride is MUCH more important to me than the method in which I arrive at said theme park. If I can look past advertising on a ride itself without ever questioning it, why shouldn't I do so on a free bus service that is offered to me as a resort guest.

So... do you see the difference between riding the metro bus from a Fairfield Inn over to Universal Studios... vs the idea of being wisked by a monorail from your polynesian resort to the front door of the park?

You're back to this 'outside the parks.. who cares..' train of thought. The WDW experience was not meant to be this idea of hotels to sleep in and visiting an amusement park.

 

[jakeman]

Let me explain, it was a somewhat humorous way to say that there is only one correct answer and it most likely isn't the one that he wants to give. I have no actual intentions and I don't believe that anyone else believes that it was an actual threat to go over to his house and slap him.

Still doesn't make it good.

Again, not witty or cutting, just petulant and desperate.

 

[xdan0920]

Finally, we're going to yell at a wheel of cheese and argue about how it should have been cheddar instead of parmigiano reggiano.

God, you are such a rube. ParmRegg destroys cheddar. ugh!

No, no one said it 'ruins' the experience - only that it doesn't belong and detracts. Then there was some people that argued once outside the parks.. no one cares.. which was another part of the discussion.

I also addressed before that there is a nature of 'practicality' when it comes to bringing in elements that you may not otherwise see as fitting into the vision for the project/space/experience. You can not live in a world where you hold a position those undesirable things to NOT exist and that you can exclude EVERYTHING.. and no one is holding Disney to that standard. It's about what you DO with those things and how you integrate them into the experience, or do it in a way that minimizes the negatives.

Sponsorships is an example of those practicalities - no one is holding a standard that says they should not exist, and no corporate presence should be there. But its about HOW it's done. Disney's success with avoiding 'over the top' with this of course has blemishes in its past (people's take on UoE's message for instance)... but it's not uncontrolled or glaring. You wouldn't find a FedEx truck parked in front of Space Mountain. People point to them existing from the start.. Yes, because Disney needed the money. And as soon as he had the money, he took control again and bought them out. Sponsorships were a means to an end for Disney... not simply "well they exist everywhere else, why not accept them here too?" justifications.

The earlier examples I gave about safety are another example where Disney has worked to make these practicalities either minimize, blend, or disappear from the consciousnesses. The stories about how Disney has hidden fire safety systems in the parks are another great example of it's not an expectation that you EXCLUDE practicalities... its how you work with and around them to ensure they cause the least amount of disruption to the guest experience.

The very nature that parks aren't a hop skip and a jump away are another one of these practical aspects that Disney had to address. To do it in a Disney fashion, they built out their own transportation service that could operate to their standards of both customer service and show. Transportation is a practicality... but none of that says moving billboards are just part of transportation that can't be avoided or has a place in this experience.

I agree with much of this. However...

Buses are already an intrusion, if we are reaching back to Walt's vision. A bus with a wrap on it, is no different then a bus without one. they both stink.

The monorails on the other hand, are more then just transportation, they symbolize something more. And they should be respected as such.

Just one guys opinion though.

Also, going back to the Space Mountain example, the entire exit ramp was how FedEx would handle your packages (heh) in the future.

Perv.

 

[flynnibus]

casa de Fritos was open till 1982
Chicken of the Sea restaurant was changed in 1969 when they dropped sponsorship

Disney had full control of Disneyland in 1960 when he bought out ABC's shares, he had no intention of kicking any of them out as long as they gave him money.

They had bought out many of the outside vendors and displaced other corporate placeholders as they had the desire to. Jack Linquist's book covers this pretty good as I recall.

 

[sshindel]

So... do you see the difference between riding the metro bus from a Fairfield Inn over to Universal Studios... vs the idea of being wisked by a monorail from your polynesian resort to the front door of the park?

You're back to this 'outside the parks.. who cares..' train of thought. The WDW experience was not meant to be this idea of hotels to sleep in and visiting an amusement park.

Again, I'm not at "outside the parks, who cares". I simply do not believe that this:

takes me out of the magic any more or less than this:

Neither of which (according to theme) should be pulling up to my Polynesian resort. Neither of which (according to theme) should be pulling up to my southwestern inspired resort. Neither of which (according to theme) should be pulling up to my African resort. Neither of which (according to theme) should be pulling up to my hotel with a big cartoon dog... ok. That one maybe they should be pulling up to.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Buses are already an intrusion, if we are reaching back to Walt's vision. A bus with a wrap on it, is no different then a bus without one. they both stink.

The difference is calling attention to oneself or trying to go as little noticed as possible.

 

[sshindel]

The difference is calling attention to oneself or trying to go as little noticed as possible.

This would be calling as little attention as possible

 

[flynnibus]

I agree with much of this. However...

Buses are already an intrusion, if we are reaching back to Walt's vision. A bus with a wrap on it, is no different then a bus without one. they both stink.

Well lets look at the alternative to what Disney originally did. The solution could have been public transportation, or contracted buses (like UNI does now with partners) shuttling you from the resorts. That would truly stink. Instead, the way Disney addressed the PRACTICALITY needed was to create their own fleet, staffed, operated, and implemented at their properties up to a show standard THEY defined and blended with their vision of the guest experience.

Yes, you could argue Monorails should have been chosen over buses period... and that's another level one could debate. But the point I was making was, there are practicalities they must face in their controlled environment (point of sale is another example)... no one is holding them to a standard that says these 'undesirables' can never exist... but the necessity of these things would not dictate Disney accept 'the norm' and abandon all efforts to build or protect the guest experience.

So these arguments of 'Ads exist everywhere' or 'buses exist...' are not justifications for Disney to abandon all effort to maintain the guest experience they aspired to build with the WDW Resort.

 

[DVCOwner]

Is this or is it not a recent increase in the visual noise in the resort environment? Yes, or no. That simple.

And if you say no, I'm gonna come over to your house and jack slap you upside the head for lying.

My answer is no. The bus is the visual noise and that has not changed. I do personnel think the warpped buses are better then the plain buses. Nothing magic about the buses.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Again, I'm not at "outside the parks, who cares". I simply do not believe that this:

takes me out of the magic any more or less than this:

Neither of which (according to theme) should be pulling up to my Polynesian resort. Neither of which (according to theme) should be pulling up to my southwestern inspired resort. Neither of which (according to theme) should be pulling up to my African resort. Neither of which (according to theme) should be pulling up to my hotel with a big cartoon dog... ok. That one maybe they should be pulling up to.

Which is just more justification based on prior mistakes. They already put characters in World Showcase, so it's no different than a whole fictional country. They don't do yearly refurbs, so why be bothered if they stop doing them every three years. They already took away some amenities, why care if more get taken away. It is the "Whatever Disney does" attitude that is being repeatedly denied.

 

[flynnibus]

Hey @Bob you're such an advit follower in the public forums, how come you have 21k posts but none in the public WDW forums it seems?

 

[Goofyernmost]

I have just one question... How can a Disney bus sporting a Disney promotion while you are in a Disney Resort, immersed in everything Disney, in any way, manner, shape or form burst the Disney bubble. If anything it helps create it. None of us really think that Mickey Mouse is an actual thing, we aren't all that fired up on imagined Disney purity, that we cannot actually like to see something that we don't see in our regular life in the world. A Disney advertisement on a bus is not ever seen in the real world.

What all this boils down to is really everyone's private theory. It isn't based on hard fact, it is based purely on emotion and how we individually see a place like WDW. None of us know if Disney ever really intended to not have promotions or if that is just a thought that we have in our individual trains of thought. This discussion is possible the largest waste of cyberspace that has ever happened. No one is going to win because there are no facts to back it up, it is all an internal feeling and nothing more.

I would just like to add that when people are called "Pixie Dusters" that have been for years now calling others "Pixie Dusters" they have no right to be upset enough to call it "name calling". The real Pixie Dusters are probably the ones that are unwilling or unable to accept that whether we like it or not, the world that we live in will and should influence how we deal with and observe our surroundings. Those that cannot let go are probably so encrusted with PD that it is a wonder that they can still breath.

At any rate, the absolute boredom in this mind numbing thread has made me stop here on page 13. What a waste of time.

 

[sshindel]

Which is just more justification based on prior mistakes. They already put characters in World Showcase, so it's no different than a whole fictional country. They don't do yearly returns, so why be bothered if they stop doing them every three years. They already took away some amenities, why care if more get taken away. It is the "Whatever Disney does" attitude that is being repeatedly denied.

Nope. Not finding issue with one bus paint job over the other is not ok-ing all things done by Disney.
I can like things that they do, dislike things that they do, or not be bothered either way by things that they do.
Because I hate what they did to Future World does not require me to hate every decision made by the company from here on out.