More Wrapped Buses

[jakeman]

It is for me.

My favorite is the one with the rotating golden mickey head.

 

[jakeman]

Today's Management are the spawn of the prior management... The needle turned for WDW in the early nineties.

I know Flynn has me on ignore, but whatever, I'm still sending him a Christmas card.

With that said, it's funny to see this "needle" get pushed further and further back. It was the early 2000s when I first got here. Then it was after Animal Kingdom. Then it was 1996. Now we are to the early 90s as the "turning point" for Disney.

I'm really looking forward to the day it's all Epcot's fault and the contradictions just causing heads to explode.

 

[flynnibus]

Now, I know someone is going to say that you'd like to take a break from advertising while on a Disney vacation. It just isn't happening. Not in today's day and age. The world has moved on. Blame the world at large here, but don't say that Disney of old wouldn't have done this if the technology had been available. They would have. Ask Orange Bird. He'll tell you different.

Funny.. on my DCL cruises I don't recall any big ABC ads or signs all over the ship. In fact, I don't recall any advertising at all (minus the port shopping).. unless you turned on your TV.

Instead of just taking whatever Disney gives you and say "this is the best there is..." understand it doesn't have to be that way.. and isn't always elsewhere.

 

[sshindel]

I know Flynn has me on ignore, but whatever, I'm still sending him a Christmas card.

With that said, it's funny to see this "needle" get pushed further and further back. It was the early 2000s when I first got here. Then it was after Animal Kingdom. Then it was 1996. Now we are to the early 90s as the "turning point" for Disney.

I'm really looking forward to the day it's all Epcot's fault and the contradictions just causing heads to explode.

If EPCOT hadn't come around and been all awesome, we wouldn't be where we are today. No more parks, no reasons to have busses, no reason for them to advertise synergies they wouldn't have anyway.

 

[jakeman]

If EPCOT hadn't come around and been all awesome, we wouldn't be where we are today. No more parks, no reasons to have busses, no reason for them to advertise synergies they wouldn't have anyway.

Um...Epcot had a ad-less monorail going to it you rube...

 

[DVCOwner]

You're really going to try and claim that watching broadcast television is part of the Walt Disney World experience?

No - but here is the point you are missing. ABC takes one of there hit shows (Middle, Modern Family, etc.) and does an episode about the family taking a trip to Walt Disney World. This gets more people wanting to go to Walt Disney World. In return Disney places advertisement somewhere in the parks so that people watch the ABC network shows. This has been going to forever. Disneyland TV and Disneyland the park.

 

[arko]

Today's Management are the spawn of the prior management... The needle turned for WDW in the early nineties.

Epcot's future world was built on Corporate sponsorship, for years Exxon taught me how fossil fuels were great, which in my mind was far worse than a bus wrap.

 

[flynnibus]

there have been Disney wrapped buses for years just look at the Disneyland buses

Uhh.. the Disneyland buses you refer to are a recent phenom... DLR parking buses are a recent add-on because of the DCA expansion.

I can't see ABC shows at Disney Studio's but there have always been billboards promoting them, both in the parking lot and in the parks.

Well when those boards first went up... it was because they were promoting the content the studio was actually producing... because big soundstage buildings are pretty barren.

 

[flynnibus]

Epcot's future world was built on Corporate sponsorship, for years Exxon taught me how fossil fuels were great, which in my mind was far worse than a bus wrap.

The topic of sponsorship or even corporate presence... is not the topic being discussed.

 

[sshindel]

Funny.. on my DCL cruises I don't recall any big ABC ads or signs all over the ship. In fact, I don't recall any advertising at all (minus the port shopping).. unless you turned on your TV.

Instead of just taking whatever Disney gives you and say "this is the best there is..." understand it doesn't have to be that way.. and isn't always elsewhere.

You misunderstand me. I do not say this is the best there is. I do not take whatever they give me and like it.
I just do not find the advertising on the outside of the resort busses as any sort of problem, big or small.
DHS is a mess, MK is overcrowded, and EPCOT is a travesty. Disney advertising on busses is not an issue. It's not a "small thing" that separates Disney from the outside world. It's not a part of a corporate culture gone wrong. It's simply just not an issue.

Oh, IMO of course.

 

[arko]

Um...Epcot had a ad-less monorail going to it you rube...

EPCOT city would have had a monorail going to it. Walt's vision was based on corporate sponsors to help pay for it. It was a tried and true mechanism which helped him build Disneyland. So I seriously doubt it would have been free of any advertising.

 

[DVCOwner]

Funny.. on my DCL cruises I don't recall any big ABC ads or signs all over the ship. In fact, I don't recall any advertising at all (minus the port shopping).. unless you turned on your TV.

Instead of just taking whatever Disney gives you and say "this is the best there is..." understand it doesn't have to be that way.. and isn't always elsewhere.

My last Disney Cruise they had a representative of Walt Disney World on board and gave several talks about things happening in the parks. There was more than one time that I saw tables set up in the lobby with Disney Vacation Club posters. One night there was a sign in the lobby asking those on board to think about on there next trip doing a Land and Sea adventure by staying at Walt Disney World before or after they sail. The pirate Jack Sparrow was on the curse doing a meet and greet (maybe this ties to the movies).

 

[jakeman]

Wait...are we comparing DCL to the WDW buses now?

Is there a handbook or something for this thread?

 

[flynnibus]

No joking aside, I'd absolutely want a grocery store available on property. I don't NEED a grocery store available. I also don't NEED a spa available. I don't NEED mini golf available. They are things nice to have, as a grocery store would be. I'd love to pop over for a six-pack of my favorite beer, some bread to make some sandwiches, juice boxes for the kids, etc. Kid sick in the middle of the night, go get some 'Tussin from the Mickey Publix. That would be an amenity. In fact, I'll head off property these days, out of the bubble, to do so. If you'd use it is irrelevant, because I've thankfully never needed the Service Center. Doesn't make it any less of an amenity.

You're missing the distinction between something included because it was offered as a service/amenity of the property... vs something from the outside world simply being inside the borders. The stuff they brought inside initially was all for a purpose.. and meant to dovetail into the customer experience they were trying to build. Things brought in were done so in a calculated manner under strict controls. The whole thing was meant to be a manicured experience... all wrapped around your vacation experience.

Being reminded about what TV shows I should set on my DVR... is not part of the vacation experience.

 

[lazyboy97o]

No - but here is the point you are missing. ABC takes one of there hit shows (Middle, Modern Family, etc.) and does an episode about the family taking a trip to Walt Disney World. This gets more people wanting to go to Walt Disney World. In return Disney places advertisement somewhere in the parks so that people watch the ABC network shows. This has been going to forever. Disneyland TV and Disneyland the park.

Disneyland didn't have ads for ads or television shows.

 

[sshindel]

Wait...are we comparing DCL to the WDW buses now?

Is there a handbook or something for this thread?

It's all transportation, keep up will you.

Just so you can stay ahead, we are next going to be comparing Tokyo Disney Sea to a can of tuna, then DVC to the number 12. Finally, we're going to yell at a wheel of cheese and argue about how it should have been cheddar instead of parmigiano reggiano.

 

[arko]

The topic of sponsorship or even corporate presence... is not the topic being discussed.

the argument is that a bus wrap somehow ruins the experience of being at WDW by bursting the resort bubble, which makes no sense because there have always been tons of things that have been there to burst the bubble from the day Walt opened Disneyland to today. Corporate sponsorships is just another example of that, and its been around since the beginning.

 

[jakeman]

You're missing the distinction between something included because it was offered as a service/amenity of the property... vs something from the outside world simply being inside the borders. The stuff they brought inside initially was all for a purpose.. and meant to dovetail into the customer experience they were trying to build. Things brought in were done so in a calculated manner under strict controls. The whole thing was meant to be a manicured experience... all wrapped around your vacation experience.

Being reminded about what TV shows I should set on my DVR... is not part of the vacation experience.

Yes, calculated. Under strict control. With the utmost attention and dedication to immersion and theme.

Wait...what's that you say? Circus show at Epcot in 1987? Well hot diggity!

 

[Hakunamatata]

the argument is that a bus wrap somehow ruins the experience of being at WDW by bursting the resort bubble, which makes no sense because there have always been tons of things that have been there to burst the bubble from the day Walt opened Disneyland to today. Corporate sponsorships is just another example of that, and its been around since the beginning.

Well it really boils down to the fact that there is no more bubble. Iger sold it to pad his vulgar bonus.

 

[flynnibus]

You misunderstand me. I do not say this is the best there is. I do not take whatever they give me and like it.

Yet you went on for two paragraphs about 'this is the way it is... live with it'. And what do you say about my DCL example which debunks your 'this is the way it is everywhere' postulation?

Disney advertising on busses is not an issue. It's not a "small thing" that separates Disney from the outside world. It's not a part of a corporate culture gone wrong. It's simply just not an issue.

Oh, IMO of course.

This is where my signature comes into play... "if you can't do the little things right..."

This is the sum of a thousand cuts. This is just another example where the company has been nipping away at the very design principles it used to get itself to where it is. And while you may not think it's a big deal... it's an indicator of the systematic problems and leadership that keep operating the business in the way that gives you those things you do think are issues. A business that keeps under delivering more often than not with it's forward movements.

They keep missing the mark because the core principles that built the empire are not as respected and adhered to as they used to be.