imagineer boy
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Makes me sick.
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More Marvel at Disney World? Maybe?
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Makes me sick.
Rivers Rowe
Member
Jimmy Thick-Complaining about them, yet posting in them...?
+1. Lol!
The Empress Lilly
Well-Known Member
Good grief. Everything is wrong about this video. The music is way too loud, the editing too agressive, the colours to flashy, the monorail too bling.
It is not Disney who is winning. It is Universal who is winning, by forcing Disney into imitation, by them 'Universalising' Disney. Bah! :hurl:
Jimmy Thick - Rather than even one Marvel character setting foot in a Disney Park I'd have Jimmy do Meet & Greets on Main Street in a speedo
GLaDOS
Well-Known Member
Pretty sure Universal fired the first salvo by pouring a bunch of money and updating one of the best rides on the planet, showing they have no intention of giving up the Marvel characters. An upgrade that has been celebrated by fans and theme park aficionados a like. The monorail isn't even close to par.
Heavily updated and upgraded Spider-man attraction that is a draw for people > A roving billboard
I might be wrong, but I just do not think that Marvel characters or attractions in the parks makes financial sense at the moment given the legal hurdles that Disney would jump before the first shovel of dirt is turned. Disney is much more than a theme park business. If I am not mistaken, the theme park side of things provides the lowest bang for their buck right now. There would have to be good deal of legal wrangling to put the characters in the parks in WDW. Even if Disney's legal team was able to come up with a workaround they would still get sued and probably rack of a 7-8 digit legal bill in the process.
I see Disney using the Marvel brand for movies, TV, merchandise,etc long before they make a theme park presence simply because that is the low hanging fruit right now.
It's an ad for a movie, plain and simple. It is not an "attraction" at the theme park, it's an ad on their "public" transit system. Also, technically, it's not in any theme park.
And for Disney to really get Marvel, Universal would have to agree to sell them back the rights (or violate the contract, thus losing them). Universal has no intention of doing that.
And for Disney to really get Marvel, Universal would have to agree to sell them back the rights (or violate the contract, thus losing them). Universal has no intention of doing that.
I'm with you on this one Jimmy Thick. What doesn't make financial sense to me is the fact that Disney paid $4 billion for Marvel, I didn't see Universal coughing up that kind of cash. I would think that the company that owns Marvel should have final say on where they are placed. I think that the Universal Marvel area is very tacky, it hurts the value of the characters. In this case, Disney should have an out of the contract.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Jimmy Thick- Losing steam...
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Another typically daft post by you. Well done, you continue to impress.
Skip
Well-Known Member
I'm with you on this one Jimmy Thick. What doesn't make financial sense to me is the fact that Disney paid $4 billion for Marvel, I didn't see Universal coughing up that kind of cash. I would think that the company that owns Marvel should have final say on where they are placed. I think that the Universal Marvel area is very tacky, it hurts the value of the characters. In this case, Disney should have an out of the contract.
It never ceases to amaze me that people see the world like this. Disday, it doesn't matter if you find it tacky - the Marvel Super Hero Island is well within the stipulations of the contract. Disney can't just declare that they have an "out" - that "out" has to be in the contract from the beginning, the rules can't be made up as you go along. For the record, Marvel Island is beloved by many theme park fans and includes what is considered by many to be the greatest theme park ride of all time - The Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man.
I could still see some legal action take place over Avengerail. If not this incident, the next will prompt something - the moment you see a character breakfast or something stupid like that (even if it's in a resort, not in a theme park), there's gonna be sparks flying.
Marvel isn't going anywhere unless Universal gets the okay. That means big, big bucks - enough to pay off the contract at a price of Universal's choosing. This means they'd likely have to pay Uni enough to deconstruct the Island and build new attractions, plus some probable bonuses due to the sheer popularity/profitability of the characters. As a shareholder, I'd wager spending THAT much money only to have to spend MORE money to actually construct something worthwhile in a Disney park is NOT a good investment. But hey, as long as we show Universal what's what!...
Then again, this is like talking to a brick wall. You guys will go on believing what you believe despite the lack of sound, legal argument backing you up. Those who have some concept of the actual legal ramifications of the Averengerail and the Uni/Disney Marvel situation will watch with continued interest.
Did anyone else notice this on the video? Read the vid description at the bottom. It says the Avenger Monorail runs through the Magic Kingdom park. But the video is clearly showing it run through Contemp and Poly. And we all know Fla's monorail only runs by MK's front entrance, not through it like at DL. Disney is definitely testing their limits with this, and someday will have Marvel inside a park. I have to give DisneyParks kudos for being brave and pushing this "through the park" thing. :sohappy::sohappy:
As long as it's classy and not distorting ambience/atmosphere. Most likely the characters/land will fit in at DHS. I cannot see Marvel being in any of the other 3 parks without being an eyesore.
Did anyone else notice this on the video? Read the vid description at the bottom. It says the Avenger Monorail runs through the Magic Kingdom park. But the video is clearly showing it run through Contemp and Poly. And we all know Fla's monorail only runs by MK's front entrance, not through it like at DL. Disney is definitely testing their limits with this, and someday will have Marvel inside a park. I have to give DisneyParks kudos for being brave and pushing this "through the park" thing. :sohappy::sohappy:
As long as it's classy and not distorting ambience/atmosphere. Most likely the characters/land will fit in at DHS. I cannot see Marvel being in any of the other 3 parks without being an eyesore.
MUTZIE77
Well-Known Member
This is exactly what they bought marvel for. Just think about the billions of dollars the Marvel character films have made over the years. The Avengers is going to make Disney big money in theaters and merchandise sales. As much as we get on Disney for the conditions of WDW, they are not stupid and they knew they would not be able to use Marvel Characters at WDW parks when they made the deal.
Rivers Rowe
Member
Ever ponder the thought of being flamed on a site about Disney World? If they are not flaming people they are posting lies and calling it inside information.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Huh?
Skip
Well-Known Member
I'm pointing out a blatant flaw in your line of reasoning. You're allowed to believe whatever you'd like, but facts are facts. But then again - you point out facts in these boards that rub the "Hail Disney, kill Universal!" folks the wrong way and you're told you have anger management issues. Right. :hammer:
(predictable response from Thick's camp - FACT!: Marvel characters are now featured on Disney property so therefore Universal relinquishes all rights! :zipit
Also... anyone else notice that some of the people supporting Thick have very low post counts with recent join dates? Awful curious.
The Empress Lilly
Well-Known Member
Two things:
Everybody understands that there is a contract regulating Marvel property rights. This is not the issue. The issue is the question how Disney views the limitations of this contract. The questions are if it seeks to try to test the limits of their rights, if it seeks to encroach on Universal's turf, what its strategy is regarding Marvel in Orlando.
The 'Thick Camp' - which doesn't exist - is made up of people arguing that Disney will try to test the legal limits of the contract not because we want Disney to. But because we think it is. Some root for Disney, some for Universal, some for neither. Some wish for, some wish against Marvel in Disney parks.
:shrug:
Jimmy Thick - You are all just jealous only Thick can hold his own next to The Hulk
Everybody understands that there is a contract regulating Marvel property rights. This is not the issue. The issue is the question how Disney views the limitations of this contract. The questions are if it seeks to try to test the limits of their rights, if it seeks to encroach on Universal's turf, what its strategy is regarding Marvel in Orlando.
The 'Thick Camp' - which doesn't exist - is made up of people arguing that Disney will try to test the legal limits of the contract not because we want Disney to. But because we think it is. Some root for Disney, some for Universal, some for neither. Some wish for, some wish against Marvel in Disney parks.
:shrug:
Jimmy Thick - You are all just jealous only Thick can hold his own next to The Hulk
danlb_2000
Premium Member
I wonder if we could ever end up with a situation where Disney pays off Universal to give up the exclusivity, but still allows them to keep what they already have?