EricsBiscuit
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At the very least, since Statler and Waldorf will no longer be bolted to the seats, they can finally go to the bathroom.
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Maybe this has been discussed but do we know what’s going in the theater? It would be shame if it’s Laugh Floor because that attraction is just god awful. Cringe as the kids would say
Twilight Zone is just a framing device for an original story that was presented without said framing device when the attraction was only three years old with that TV movie. The fifth dimension hallway could easily trade out "The stuff from the show's theme song" for something tied more directly into the cursed hotel storyline like actually getting to go to the decaying ruins of the Tip Top Club.the beauty of this attraction is you don't have to know the TV series to fully comprehend the storyline you are about to be a part of... It is easy to understand, and some of the best placemaking and storytelling the Imagineering team has ever done.
Exactly.
Understanding that and using it as a defense for a corporations bad plans are two different things.I just want to add, I'm not personally trying to attack you, or offend you.
I think I've just come to accept what corporations do in 2024. This is our world. The era of Disney many long for, have nostalgia for, is long gone. I suspect it only gets worse once the new CEO comes.
Corless Lied, Muppets Died
All true, but ironically, TZToT vs. plain old ToT is Exhibit A in "Why we tie things to an existing IP." It's a marketing hook.Twilight Zone is just a framing device for an original story that was presented without said framing device when the attraction was only three years old with that TV movie. The fifth dimension hallway could easily trade out "The stuff from the show's theme song" for something tied more directly into the cursed hotel storyline like actually getting to go to the decaying ruins of the Tip Top Club.
I wouldn't get our hopes up for this to be cancelled.A new CEO takes control in 2026. Economic policy changes beginning in 2025 are going to cause the cost of construction to skyrocket and may crater the economy as a whole. Nothing that is slated to begin construction after 2025 should be considered close to certain - no Villains Land, no phase 2s, no Muppets Coaster, nothing.
Remember what the pandemic did to the Epcot redo in particular and the last wave of significant investments into the parks in general? The current situation is even worse, because the disruption is forseeable.
Tiana could have been much better if they stuck to the source material instead of imagining a life for her that was not suggested in the story... I think we would have preferred a book report ride... Without the tension of a villain, it is basically Small World with a waterfall.Right. Just because you're changing the IP from one no one remembers to one people know doesn't make it better. Splash had a good storyline you could follow without knowing anything about its history. We know why it changed. Not arguing that. The Tiana replacement didn't live up to how well it could be done. There is nothing about ToT that says the theme must be changed. The story runs perfectly throughout.
I will say that since the structure of Monstropolis fits the footprint well, this should help with a relatively quicker build for Monsters. The door coaster is going to be built essentially on backstage land/parking so could be started quite quickly. Pizzerizzo and Mama Melrose will simply be changed to a different restaurant theme but presumably continue to be largely intact. The Christmas store gets converted to other retail. The large Muppets store just gets torn down (and its in a weird position anyway). Muppetvision gets changed into a new show but presumable can reuse the theater largely as is.
The rest of Grand Avenue outside the Muppet area (Sci-Fi and such) can simply remain as is and not be touched.
Totally agree! Tiana is (at the very least) still a fun log flume because it was a overlay.yeah....but look what they did to Splash Mountain..... It is not better than it was... The TOT's plotline and story are engaging. It is masterfully done...Concise,eerie, beautifully designed from start to finish... Can anyone say that they could change the theme and still have as engaging and enduring an attraction? I say no...
He was pretty happy that it closed but went to Japan to visit it anyway.What do you mean by wishy washy? He liked the original ride but also likes the new one. He was very vocal with his "let them cook" attitude. His opinion never changed much past the initial announcement, aside from feeling it didn't fit in Frontierland, which iirc he still feels that way but isn't as bothered by it.
It’s the “Put that Thing Back Where it Came from or So Help Me, So Help Me!” ShowMaybe this has been discussed but do we know what’s going in the theater? It would be shame if it’s Laugh Floor because that attraction is just god awful. Cringe as the kids would say
Oh, Muppets will close. But the coaster overlay is very questionable.I wouldn't get our hopes up for this to be cancelled.
I found it very boring and mind numbing. I also found the drops less thrilling, mostly because of the psychological changes. The light they added in the dip drop made me realize it was smaller than I thought it was. The replacement of the briar thorns with....grass also makes it easier to see the bottom. I'd rather ride Mine Train for thrills.Totally agree! Tiana is (at the very least) still a fun log flume because it was a overlay.
ToT's replacement, assuming it wont get bulldozed and be an overlay, will still be a fun attraction.
Disney is gonna do what Disney's gonna do!
Understanding that and using it as a defense for a corporations bad plans are two different things.
For “capitalism” to work, consumers need to behave aggressively in their own interests. That’s how the “ invisible hand” works. Capitalism does NOT mean that consumers defer to corporations or treat them as omniscient, which is how it tends to work in this country today.
Everything else aside - what show refreshes? The ancient Indy and BnB continue on and Mermaid is coming back.I have renewed faith this is a 2028 project. Cars seems more developed, but Monsters seems plucked off the shelf and easier to rush forward with the bulk of the land being overlayed. Which is why I expect them both to open in ‘28.
We’ll have to see, but RNRC could very well be something that’s ready for 2026. Akin to Test Track.
I know everyone’s going to be upset for a long while, but I think I now strongly prefer this packaged option over animation courtyard. It’s the third phase of the DHS redo we long wanted. One more E ticket, a RNRC overlay and quite a number of show refreshes. The odd man standing is Beauty and the Beast. With the only lingering caveat that why do we have yet another roller coaster project, even if I like them all individually in their own vacuums.
It's not a Disney IP and I thought the contract cost, or whatever, was always a sticking point. Plus, it's an ancient TV series that many guests have never seen.
…make sure you don’t trip over that barThey are all movies...
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