Moana 2 (Disney Animation - November 2024)

[LittleBuford]

The fact that they talk about being "f'd financially" should be all the indication you need on why this is spin.

That’s a quotation, not the framing of the article’s own author. We’re heading down a very slippery slope indeed if we’re going to start criticising journalists for the things their sources say.

 

[TsWade2]

My friend and I saw Moana 2 today, It was awesome!

 

[Disney Irish]

That’s a quotation, not the framing of the article’s own author. We’re heading down a very slippery slope indeed if we’re going to start criticising journalists for the things their sources say.

How the quotation is used, and its placement right at the beginning of the article, frames the story and used to try and gain the readers sympathy for the subject of the story which is the laid off workers and the claims of bad working conditions at Pixar.

Are journalists so above reproach that we cannot question what is written and the narrative being told?

 

[Chi84]

Are journalists so above reproach that we cannot question what is written and the narrative being told?

Journalism is a far cry from the respected profession it was in years past. I find myself doing a lot of research before accepting what is being reported these days.

 

[LittleBuford]

How the quotation is used, and its placement right at the beginning of the article, frames the story and used to try and gain the readers sympathy for the subject of the story which is the laid off workers and the claims of bad working conditions at Pixar.

Are journalists so above reproach that we cannot question what is written and the narrative being told?

It isn’t right at the beginning of the article.

And no, I didn’t say journalists are above reproach.

 

[LittleBuford]

Journalism is a far cry from the respected profession it was in years past. I find myself doing a lot of research before accepting what is being reported these days.

Have you read the article in question? What specific issues do you have with its framing?

 

[BrianLo]

I’m confused. What exactly does this article have to do with WDAS in Vancouver?

I know the IGN journalistic standards and generally they are fairly high. But Alex Stedmen isn’t one of the usual investigative journalists that I empirically trust; but nor am I really questioning that much from it either. Pixar downscaled as they’ve pulled away from D+.

 

[LittleBuford]

I’m confused. What exactly does this article have to do with WDAS in Vancouver?

I know the IGN journalistic standards and generally they are fairly high. But Alex Stedmen isn’t one of the usual investigative journalists that I empirically trust; but nor am I really questioning that much from it either. Pixar downscaled as they’ve pulled away from D+.

I can’t recall why it was brought up here. If I’m not mistaken, it was first referred to in the box-office thread in relation to representation in future Disney films.

 

[BrianLo]

I can’t recall why it was brought up here. If I’m not mistaken, it was first referred to in the box-office thread in relation to representation in future Disney films.

Thanks, I’m like I cannot actually track what you guys are talking about. But that makes more sense it’s a carry over from a different thread.

 

[Disney Irish]

I’m confused. What exactly does this article have to do with WDAS in Vancouver?

Exactly my point, and then I get questioned on why. This has nothing to do with Moana 2 or WDAS Vancouver and should never have been brought up here.

 

[LittleBuford]

Thanks, I’m like I cannot actually track what you guys are talking about. But that makes more sense it’s a carry over from a different thread.

To be honest, I didn’t even realise this was happening in the Moana 2 thread! Sorry for unwittingly contributing to the derailment here!

 

[Disney Irish]

To be honest, I didn’t even realise this was happening in the Moana 2 thread! Sorry for unwittingly contributing to the derailment here!

You must not have read my original response to you when you started questioning why I had an issue with the article. As I put it as my first issue with it being used here in this thread.

 

[Disney Irish]

It isn’t right at the beginning of the article.

And no, I didn’t say journalists are above reproach.

Not to belabor the point, but its in the 6th paragraph right after the author lays out the setup of the story in the previous 5 paragraphs, ie the beginning of the article. I have actually read the article, multiple times.

 

[LittleBuford]

Not to belabor the point, but its in the 6th paragraph right after the author lays out the setup of the story in the previous 5 paragraphs, ie the beginning of the article. I have actually read the article, multiple times.

I suppose we have different definitions of “right at the beginning”.

Moving on…

 

[Disney Irish]

I suppose we have different definitions of “right at the beginning”.

Moving on…

I suppose so, and different ways at looking at the article in general.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Well first the article has nothing to do with the conversation at hand, which was about Moana 2 and WDAS Vancouver being used. So that is first and foremost my issue with it being used now multiple times in this thread as some proof of anything regarding this movie.

Second it reads as several disgruntled former employees coming to talk about the "bad times" because they are upset they got laid off, they literally talk about being "f'd financially" so yeah framing, but no quotes from current employees that confirm anything that is being claimed. But even if we just accept most as true, none of it reads as something out of the ordinary for a studio. For example the narrative that employees were being pushed during "crunch time" as being unusual, well duh have none of them EVER worked on project based work before. When you're up against a deadline that is what happens, you are pushed during crunch time to finish the project even so much as extra resources being added to make sure it gets finished. Or the narrative that Pixar was on its last leg and going to be shutdown if IO2 wasn't a success, which I find laughable at best. Just because a few employees felt that way doesn't make it true.

Basically its reads as the normal spin to try and paint Pixar negatively by former employees.

This reads like the sort of response to articles that is all too common today, looking for reasons to dismiss it because it says things the reader doesn't like. "Anonymous sources!!!!"

I bet we can come up with some reasons current employees might not badmouth their employer if we really try.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Journalism is a far cry from the respected profession it was in years past. I find myself doing a lot of research before accepting what is being reported these days.

Where do you do that research? What sources?

Why is journalism less respected? Because it kinda seems like a lot of the cause is powerful people who benefit from it being less respected...

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

My friend and I saw Moana 2 today, It was awesome!

Glad to hear it

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

Moana 2 as of today is officially at $600M worldwide ($300M domestic and $300M overseas): .

Perfectly balanced as all things should be.

So it has $400M left to go before making $1B worldwide.

It’ll get there by year’s end or new year’s beginning.

But how far it’ll go (no pun intended) above that is anyone’s guess.

 

[Disney Irish]

This reads like the sort of response to articles that is all too common today, looking for reasons to dismiss it because it says things the reader doesn't like. "Anonymous sources!!!!"

I bet we can come up with some reasons current employees might not badmouth their employer if we really try.

Once again this article being talked about has NOTHING to do with the topic in this thread.

But since you brought it up, you telling me that the author couldn’t find one, not even one, current employee that would be willing to be an anonymous source to confirm ANYTHING that the laid off employees were talking about? Not one? If it’s such bad working conditions you figure they would be able to find one. Or does Pete Docter have such a god-like cult worship over current employees that all of them are happy until they are no longer employee and the spell is broken. Come on, get real. No employer has that much devotion by their employees. Someone is always unhappy about something and willing to talk about it. So either Pixar is the only employer on the planet that has 100% devotion only while working there or it’s not the bad working conditions the laid off employees are talking about.