MNSSHP extremely over crowded

[BoarderPhreak]

...It's getting to the point where if you want to enjoy the MK at night in the Fall, you almost have to buy one of these tickets...

Not gonna happen. With as much as WDW trips cost as it is, I'm certainly not adding on additional ticketed events just to have the hours we all used to have. The only one I've ever done was MVMCP - and that was in 2012. Back then at least you got hot cocoa, cookies and the place was open until 3am.

EDIT: And it "snowed" on Main St.

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

Not gonna happen. With as much as WDW trips cost as it is, I'm certainly not adding on additional ticketed events just to have the hours we all used to have. The only one I've ever done was MVMCP - and that was in 2012. Back then at least you got hot cocoa, cookies and the place was open until 3am.

EDIT: And it "snowed" on Main St.

Agree with this, except, you could have left the "snow" out, LOL! I see enough snow from November to April where I live. Don't want to pay to see fake snow

 

[BoarderPhreak]

Agree with this, except, you could have left the "snow" out, LOL! I see enough snow from November to April where I live. Don't want to pay to see fake snow

I totally hear ya... Snow is the last thing I want to see down in Florida, of all places. FWIW, it did look pretty authentic!

 

[Maeryk]

I totally hear ya... Snow is the last thing I want to see down in Florida, of all places. FWIW, it did look pretty authentic!

It does not, however, TASTE authentic. Learn from my mistakes people.

 

[wdisney9000]

It does not, however, TASTE authentic. Learn from my mistakes people.

Was it yellow snow? jk

 

[pax_65]

Not gonna happen. With as much as WDW trips cost as it is, I'm certainly not adding on additional ticketed events just to have the hours we all used to have. The only one I've ever done was MVMCP - and that was in 2012. Back then at least you got hot cocoa, cookies and the place was open until 3am.

EDIT: And it "snowed" on Main St.

I agree. In fact, because we love the Magic Kingdom at night, we've stopped going to WDW in the Fall. It's a shame because we love Food & Wine too. But it is what it is...

 

[jloucks]

Disney is driving up demand for these paid events by not dealing appropriately with crowds and then holding these events which limits the number of nights Magic Kingdom is open late pretty much all Fall. It's getting to the point where if you want to enjoy the MK at night in the Fall, you almost have to buy one of these tickets.

Wouldn't that be driving down demand? The more it sucks, the less will want to go?

The reason your post is interesting is the driver behind the demand is a bit of a mystery to me, especially considering the crowds.

Makes me realize maybe I am a bit of a snowflake in that I despise large crowds.

 

[wdisney9000]

Wouldn't that be driving down demand? The more it sucks, the less will want to go?

The reason your post is interesting is the driver behind the demand is a bit of a mystery to me, especially considering the crowds.

Makes me realize maybe I am a bit of a snowflake in that I despise large crowds.

With Disney executives current practice of raising prices across the board while cutting back staff/operations and non stop adding hard ticket events, it seems reasonable to assume that they would salivate at the (ridiculous) concept of driving folks to buy tickets to MNSSHP & MVMCP if they would like to enjoy MK in the evening. Looking at the calendar for the rest of this week from today until Sunday, MK closes at 6 pm on 3 out of the 5 days remaining this week. That leaves 2 days for a family to experience MK at night. If a family arrived today for a 5 day trip, then they only have 2 days to try MK at night.

Perhaps its also an attempt to force families staying off property who cant take advantage of evening EMH to buy a ticket if they want to experience MK at night. And considering that they advertise the parties in a way that an inexperienced park goer or first time visitor would think that the parks are much less crowded for the event, then they would be more willing to buy the ticket. Just a thought.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

It only makes sense that it will get more crowded as Halloween approaches. I went in late August and it was the best money I spent at Disney. It was about 50% the normal crowd.

I just couldn't celebrate Halloween in AUGUST I don't think. Yuck!

I mean, realistically....at some point I just might have to deal with it, since we'll soon have trick or treaters getting Christmas-colored candies.

 

[pax_65]

Looking at the calendar for the rest of this week from today until Sunday, MK closes at 6 pm on 3 out of the 5 days remaining this week. That leaves 2 days for a family to experience MK at night. If a family arrived today for a 5 day trip, then they only have 2 days to try MK at night.

EXACTLY. And if you want to see a crowded park, go to the MK on either of those 2 nights. It will be PACKED because those are the only 2 nights the MK will be open at night.

So what does the family do? Either deal with the insane crowds, don't go to the MK at night, or pay for the special event so you can enjoy the MK at night without insane crowds. This is how Disney is driving up demand for the special events.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

With Disney executives current practice of raising prices across the board while cutting back staff/operations and non stop adding hard ticket events, it seems reasonable to assume that they would salivate at the (ridiculous) concept of driving folks to buy tickets to MNSSHP & MVMCP if they would like to enjoy MK in the evening.

Especially if WDW's customers were coerced into planning meals and buying their park tickets BEFORE Disney released accurate park hours.

It would also help the execs if park tickets were ONLY valid for a few days.

Maybe if the execs slowly introduced increasing constraints on their customers, their customers won't notice too much.

I imagine it would be especially easy for WDW's executives to take advantage their customers if the execs gave their customers a glittery name that made them think they were special.

 

[Elfinko]

Disney's a lot of fun, but there is too much unwarranted FOMO regarding some of these events. No thanks.

 

[xdan0920]

EXACTLY. And if you want to see a crowded park, go to the MK on either of those 2 nights. It will be PACKED because those are the only 2 nights the MK will be open at night.

So what does the family do? Either deal with the insane crowds, don't go to the MK at night, or pay for the special event so you can enjoy the MK at night without insane crowds. This is how Disney is driving up demand for the special events.

There are plenty of posters on these forums that will tell you, "if you don't like it, don't go" these parties don't effect you if you don't want to do them, then just don't. These posters are willfully blind to the kick on effects of these "special events".

Edit to add....

I am one of those families that booked my trip 11 months out, only to have 3 of my 5 nights hijacked by MVMCP. It's a total joke.

 

[jkl2000]

This is why MK feels more like Christmas day vs an odd Tuesday in September on a sell out part night.

If it was the Tuesday before wdisney9000's post, that was the day after Columbus day, so maybe not such an odd Tuesday, as a lot of people extend long weekends a bit, also some college students and instructors were off that day as some get a four-day weekend. If it wasn't that Tuesday, then I don't know.

 

[pax_65]

There are plenty of posters on these forums that will tell you, "if you don't like it, don't go" these parties don't effect you if you don't want to do them, then just don't. These posters are willfully blind to the kick on effects of these "special events".

Edit to add....

I am one of those families that booked my trip 11 months out, only to have 3 of my 5 nights hijacked by MVMCP. It's a total joke.

Oh yes... I've gone a few rounds with those posters trying to explain how the value of my vacation declined because of these parties even though I chose not to go.

I think this is one of those things where long-time Disney fans have a different perspective. We used to go to WDW between Thanksgiving and Christmas to enjoy all the decorations (especially in the MK) and start getting into the Christmas spirit. We didn't have to pay extra to enjoy those decorations or other extras like Christmas-themed entertainment around the parks and the marketplace. It was just an added value that Disney gave us as an incentive to take another trip down - often this would be our second or third trip of the year. The parties have put an end to that.

 

[jkl2000]

BTW, what time were these crowds? Just wondering if it was around the early or late parade time, or not close to either parade time. Just want to know for my own planning purposes. It does sound unpleasant!

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

There are plenty of posters on these forums that will tell you, "if you don't like it, don't go" these parties don't effect you if you don't want to do them, then just don't. These posters are willfully blind to the kick on effects of these "special events".

Yes, that's true, but many of us also think that most folks likely use multiple factors when deciding on travel dates. For example, seasonal weather is an important factor for some folks. Maybe they worry summer in FL will be, "Too hot," or WDW in late December is, "too expensive."

Personally, I also happen to think many people are simply creatures of habit, some go so far as to fear the unknown.

(I daresay...folks who regularly visit WDW probably enjoy repetition. I sometimes wonder whether OCD is a factor for some of WDW's biggest fans. It would go far in explaining much of what they post.)

 

[OneofThree]

Now would be a good time for one of the insiders to post an actual number as to how many tickets they're selling to MNSSHP and MVMCP.

I recall a while back where the proprietor of another WDW forum posted a related youtube video wherein he claimed to have it on good authority that these hard ticket events are being oversold by many thousands. Personally, I consider the man to reputable, reliable, and in the know. As a result, party experiences are suffering based on many accounts. We originally planned to take the kids to a Christmas party for the first time this year. Based on what I've seen with MNSSHP, that won't be happening. I don't mind paying a hard ticket premium (I'd pay double the current cost, if worth it), but I expect the corresponding experience.

 

[wdisney9000]

There are plenty of posters on these forums that will tell you, "if you don't like it, don't go" these parties don't effect you if you don't want to do them, then just don't.

It is how they convince themselves that these parties are created strictly to "enhance" guest experience and not an effort to manipulate guest experience.

 

[ppete1975]

snow on mainstreet, regardless of if it snows at your home.. is magical. It feels so christmas'sy ( I make up words). I would go every year if I could. To me the party was worth it 2015.