Mission Space=Big Flop?

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Can I hijack the thread for a moment and say you have excellent taste in ice cream? :cool:
If you are talking about Ben & Jerry's, they and I go back a long way. I remember when they first opened their store in an old gas station building in Burlington. I was in advertising and we both attended a lot of retail and food conventions in Vermont. If you are talking about the flavor...Phish Food is the absolute best they have. Karamel Sutra is pretty good too.
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
If you are talking about Ben & Jerry's, they and I go back a long way. I remember when they first opened their store in an old gas station building in Burlington. I was in advertising and we both attended a lot of retail and food conventions in Vermont. If you are talking about the flavor...Phish Food is the absolute best they have. Karamel Sutra is pretty good too.

You forgot Cherry Garcia! :hungry:
 

SMS55

Well-Known Member
It's not my absolute favorite but one ride that I make a priority when I'm at EPCOT. My 12 year old loves it. We wants to ride and it every time we go and multiple times.
 

Funmeister's Delight

Active Member
Plus make your controls actually DO SOMETHING.
This is a big issue with the ride. Making your action effect the ride would make it WAY Better.
Simple... The future dates itself... Historical stuff does not. So horizons grew tired... While other similar formats remain timeless...

The 80s dated pretty quickly... Tom Fitzgerald would look like he was more from scooby doo than the future if the original was left as is...
Yet Spaceship Earth is still around.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Yet Spaceship Earth is still around.

Uhh.. do you need a recap of what the topics covered in the ascent of SSE include? I'll give you a hint.. all but the last two were always about the PAST.. and even now in the latest versions they've trimmed that even more. So again we see the 'future' portion of the ride dating very quickly. The entire postshow which was about contemporay communications and the future of information was gutted what.. two times? The current version of the post-show won't be timeless either and will have to be gutted again.

So.. what was your comparison to SSE about again?
 

Funmeister's Delight

Active Member
Uhh.. do you need a recap of what the topics covered in the ascent of SSE include? I'll give you a hint.. all but the last two were always about the PAST.. and even now in the latest versions they've trimmed that even more. So again we see the 'future' portion of the ride dating very quickly. The entire postshow which was about contemporay communications and the future of information was gutted what.. two times? The current version of the post-show won't be timeless either and will have to be gutted again.

So.. what was your comparison to SSE about again?
Horizons started with the history of how people saw the future... how is that different?
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Horizons started with the history of how people saw the future... how is that different?

Uhh.. because while Horizon's STARTED there as a retrospective of how we envisioned the future in the past.. it's second and third acts are all portrayals of the future... an 80's view of what the future would include... including really bad 70's leftover hairstyles and jumpsuits. The whole omni-max sequence about how we are achieving that if we can dream it.. we can do it' message is about innovation in 1982.. the shuttle, the 'micro processor', etc. Everything from that point on is horribly dated now. That's how it's different... SSE is 10% about the future.. horizons was 80% about the future.

SSE is about how important communications has been to the evolution of our civilization.. to leave a opening about going forward.. A retrospective to educate about the significance of communications.

Horizons was about our aspirations and possibilities for the future.. an inspirational piece to motivate people to extend...
 

Funmeister's Delight

Active Member
Uhh.. because while Horizon's STARTED there as a retrospective of how we envisioned the future in the past.. it's second and third acts are all portrayals of the future... an 80's view of what the future would include... including really bad 70's leftover hairstyles and jumpsuits. The whole omni-max sequence about how we are achieving that if we can dream it.. we can do it' message is about innovation in 1982.. the shuttle, the 'micro processor', etc. Everything from that point on is horribly dated now. That's how it's different... SSE is 10% about the future.. horizons was 80% about the future.

SSE is about how important communications has been to the evolution of our civilization.. to leave a opening about going forward.. A retrospective to educate about the significance of communications.

Horizons was about our aspirations and possibilities for the future.. an inspirational piece to motivate people to extend...
Woah woah, no need to go all caps here, I understand you don't get my point but no need to "shout". Now what I'm saying is it could have been updated just like Spaceship Earth ( like what was actually supposed to happen) and living with the land. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the ride other than it looking a bit dated (easy fix: new music and updated scenes). Also this whole "because it was about the future it became tired" is complete crap.
 
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flynnibus

Premium Member
Woah woah, no need to go all caps here, I understand you don't get my point but no need to "shout". Now what I'm saying is it could have been updated just like Spaceship Earth ( like what was actually supposed to happen) and living with the land. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the ride other than it looking a bit dated (easy fix: new music and updated scenes). Also this whole "because it was about the future it became tired" is complete crap.

You're just not getting it.. SSE is a miserable comparison. SSE talks about the PAST. Horizons was dated because it tried to represent the FUTURE. SSE has been updated to upgrade it's show technology and add some freshness but the core presentation is roughly the same. Horizons could not have stayed the same with just AA and lighting upgrades like SSE had for 30 years. Your 'easy fix' of new music and updated scenes really means having to redo 3/4 of the ride. The IMAX films and everything beyond it would have to be rescripted and rebuilt to get rid of the old 80s style. The concepts of colonization, terraforming, and communications could still be there in principle, but not how they were represented from 1982. It works for SSE because burning Rome hasn't changed and won't change in the future. Our futurism has and will continue to change.

Even tho it was futuristic in the 60s.. you couldn't take the original Star Trek TV series version of the ship's bridge and pass it off as futuristic today.

Living with the Land is also a horrible example because the public's perception of agriculture has not advanced at the same pace as technology and style.

Horizons would have needed far more than show tech upgrades to extend it's usable life. The show as presented was doomed to a finite lifetime just as the final two acts of the Carousal of Progress are and Communicore was.
 

Funmeister's Delight

Active Member
You're just not getting it.. SSE is a miserable comparison. SSE talks about the PAST. Horizons was dated because it tried to represent the FUTURE. SSE has been updated to upgrade it's show technology and add some freshness but the core presentation is roughly the same. Horizons could not have stayed the same with just AA and lighting upgrades like SSE had for 30 years. Your 'easy fix' of new music and updated scenes really means having to redo 3/4 of the ride. The IMAX films and everything beyond it would have to be rescripted and rebuilt to get rid of the old 80s style. The concepts of colonization, terraforming, and communications could still be there in principle, but not how they were represented from 1982. It works for SSE because burning Rome hasn't changed and won't change in the future. Our futurism has and will continue to change.

Even tho it was futuristic in the 60s.. you couldn't take the original Star Trek TV series version of the ship's bridge and pass it off as futuristic today.

Living with the Land is also a horrible example because the public's perception of agriculture has not advanced at the same pace as technology and style.

Horizons would have needed far more than show tech upgrades to extend it's usable life. The show as presented was doomed to a finite lifetime just as the final two acts of the Carousal of Progress are and Communicore was.
Blah blah blah. Excuses excuses.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Blah blah blah. Excuses excuses.
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PorterRedkey

Well-Known Member
Wait really? :jawdrop: That's crazy. I never really heard that before, but two nights ago I was dozing off and I thought, why don't they use M:S as a transport to Brava Centauri, plus add "Astrolators" and a constellation pre-show as planned and described here? I even made a sketch for what I might do...
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It would be AWESOME!

WOW! I knew of the plans for a more complex Space pavilion before the centrifuge complex was introduced, but never after! I love the idea of going somewhere (MARS?) and then needing to come back, like The Living Seas. The test flight concept was a bit of a cop out.

I just wish they would try to be the best, instead of doing the least possible when make an attraction.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
WOW! I knew of the plans for a more complex Space pavilion before the centrifuge complex was introduced, but never after! I love the idea of going somewhere (MARS?) and then needing to come back, like The Living Seas. The test flight concept was a bit of a cop out.

I just wish they would try to be the best, instead of doing the least possible when make an attraction.
While he left Walt Disney Imagineering before the attraction was finalized, Eddie Sotto discussed the development of Mission: SPACE in his threads.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
You're just not getting it.. SSE is a miserable comparison. SSE talks about the PAST. Horizons was dated because it tried to represent the FUTURE. SSE has been updated to upgrade it's show technology and add some freshness but the core presentation is roughly the same. Horizons could not have stayed the same with just AA and lighting upgrades like SSE had for 30 years. Your 'easy fix' of new music and updated scenes really means having to redo 3/4 of the ride. The IMAX films and everything beyond it would have to be rescripted and rebuilt to get rid of the old 80s style. The concepts of colonization, terraforming, and communications could still be there in principle, but not how they were represented from 1982. It works for SSE because burning Rome hasn't changed and won't change in the future. Our futurism has and will continue to change.

Even tho it was futuristic in the 60s.. you couldn't take the original Star Trek TV series version of the ship's bridge and pass it off as futuristic today.

Living with the Land is also a horrible example because the public's perception of agriculture has not advanced at the same pace as technology and style.

Horizons would have needed far more than show tech upgrades to extend it's usable life. The show as presented was doomed to a finite lifetime just as the final two acts of the Carousal of Progress are and Communicore was.


Oh, right, because we're all able to visit a real space colony, reclaim deserts into farmlands and have a vacation in an undersea resort :rolleyes:

The idea that Horizons (besides the clothing/hairstyles) is outdated has nothing to do with the future portrayed in the attraction.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Oh, right, because we're all able to visit a real space colony, reclaim deserts into farmlands and have a vacation in an undersea resort :rolleyes:

Since you obviously were not wearing your reading glasses... Let me repeat the part of my post you failed to read

"The concepts of colonization, terraforming, and communications could still be there in principle, but not how they were represented from 1982"
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Indeed. Horizons could be awesome today if it was under its (probable) 4th refurb now. Full of 2014 effects, A100s, digital projections and new costumes.

If it were still circa 1983 that's how it'd look. Orange cab interiors and all.
 

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