Missing Child incident on Disney Cruise

GrumpyFan

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I ran across the following story this morning, and wanted to get the board's thoughts:

From The Consumerist

Dad Not Thrilled With Response When Child Goes Missing On Disney Cruise

By Chris Morran March 11, 2013

It’s every parent’s nightmare — you leave your young child in the care of someone else for a few hours, only to return and find your kid has gone AWOL.

That’s what Brent Csutoras says happened to his family during a Disney Wonder cruise in January.
According to Brent, he and his wife had dropped their 3-year-old son off at an on-ship childcare facility, where each youngster was fitted with an electronic wristband tracking system that should alert staff if the child wanders off and then help pinpoint the kid’s position on the ship. When Brent returned a bit later to pick his son up, he was nowhere to be found. Brent went from room to room, but to no avail.

“I returned to the room where I’d originally started searching, and the employee commented that this was the third time they’d seen me there–was everything okay?,” he writes. “I told him I couldn’t find my son, so they started walking around, calling his name. I began looking under draped compartments, behind obstacles, anywhere a child might hide.”

After contacting his wife, who had gone to pick up their infant from the ship’s nursery, and searching a bit more around the day care, Brent came to the horrifying conclusion that his child had gone missing.

“I don’t know if I can fully describe the feeling when you realize your child is gone,” he explains. “Everything changed from that moment… I was no longer frustrated, angry, or annoyed, I was scared to death and went completely into FIND MY CHILD MODE, which started with understanding their operating procedures for missing children.”

He spoke to the day care staff and asked about the process of searching for a missing child.
“He said the next step was to check the tracking band system, which would pinpoint my son’s location,” recalls Brent. “We walked over to the computer and as they pulled it up, everyone got very quiet. The screen showed my son’s band as ‘UNREADABLE’!!!.”

Trying to remain calm, Brent ran to another of the ship’s childcare facilities, hoping that somehow his son had ended up there. No such luck. And so it was back to the original facility, where still no one had been able to locate his son.

Brent’s wife was now sobbing, and he says none of the ship’s crew were doing anything to console her or calm her down.

“They literally turned their backs on her and acted like she was irrational and overreacting,” he says.

Since the ship was still at the dock, Brent wondered if his son could have wandered down the gangway, so he ran to speak to the staff there.

“I told the personnel at the gangway that my son was missing from their child care facility and that they needed to make sure no one else left the ship until he was found,” writes Brent. “They gave no indication they would stop anyone from leaving, and were unaware of a missing child, a full 20 minutes after he’d gone missing. They said if I had a missing child I needed to inform Guest Services.”

And so it was up to Guest Services, where Brent asked why no announcement had been made about his missing son. A crew member said that an announcement had gone out through the staff’s internal cellphone system, though this only made Brent wonder why the gangway personnel seemed unaware of the problem.

Back to the childcare facilities, where no one had any further word of his child’s whereabouts. Brent pulled a staff member, who had actually been actively looking for his son, aside.

“I said firmly and clearly that they had make 20 announcements a day about excursions, parties, and dinner times, but in the 45 minutes since my son had gone missing, not one announcement had been made,” he writes. “Nothing that said ‘excuse me guests, but we have a 3 year-old boy who has gone missing, so please take a look around and see if you spot anyone matching this description.’

“I told her if she didn’t make an announcement immediately, I’d be forced to break down the door and make the damn announcement myself!”

Luckily, there was no need for that, as a friend flagged Brent down to tell him the boy had been found and was unharmed. Crisis over, but there were still too many questions for Brent and his wife:
How had our son been able to craw away and fall asleep without anyone noticing?
Why were the employees unable to find him for nearly 45 minutes?
Why was his security band unreadable?
Why did everyone ignore my wife and make her feel so alone and terrified?
Why did none of the ship’s crew seem to be aware there was a missing child, despite the wave phone message which seemed to be their primary form of communication?
Why was no announcement made on the ship at any point?
Most importantly, why was there no apparent protocol in the event of a missing child considering this is Disney, a world-class organization that builds it’s reputation on the happiness of children?
They requested to speak with the ship’s captain, but had to settle for a sit-down with the Cruise Director, who apologized and assured them that there is a process for handling lost-child emergencies, “however since that hadn’t been apparent to us, they would look into that and address it,” says Brent. The Cruise Director also promised to investigate why the boy’s tracking band wasn’t working.

The Cruise Director asked what could be done to make up for the incident. Seeing as how Brent and his wife felt that their entire cruise had been soured by this experience, wrote the Director a note requesting a refund.

The Director promised them that someone from Disney’s corporate office would contact them, and shortly after returning from the cruise, a rep called. She said that Disney could not offer a refund, but could give the family a two-day Disney World park-pass with limited access.

“She told me that since our son went missing on the third day of the trip, we had enjoyed the first two days and only the last two days were ruined,” says Brent. “Therefore, they were only willing to offer two day park passes as compensation. Adding insult to injury, the last thing she said before she hung up was to call her back if we changed our mind about accepting her offer.”

Brent feels that this experience has turned his family from one that could have spent an awful lot of money on Disney-related vacations and gifts to one that probably won’t be booking any trips to the Magic Kingdom in the foreseeable future.

“Where is the Disney ‘magic’?” he asks. “For me, it’s been lost. Where is the customer service Disney is supposed to be known for? Nonexistent.”

We reached out to the folks at Disney Cruises about this story and received the following response:
At Disney, nothing is more important to us than the safety and security of our guests and their children. All of our ships have spaces designed especially for children with measures in place to provide for a secure and fun experience. To utilize the Youth Activities spaces onboard, children and parents must check in upon boarding the ship. Youth Activities crew members have a background in child care and undergo specific training. We feel for what the parents went through during this time. The child was found safe and sound within the secured Youth Activity area. Our shipboard and shoreside teams have spoken with the family about their experience and offered goodwill gestures.
We also asked Disney for specifics on its protocol for alerting crew members about missing children, and while a rep for Disney would say the company has detailed procedures in place, it doesn’t share the details of these procedures because to do so would compromise the effectiveness.

I don't blame the Dad in being angry here, because from his perspective it doesn't sound like they did a very good job of handling the situation. However, I know there are two sides to every story, and in this case we probably will never know Disney's side.
 

ratherbeinwdw

Well-Known Member
I ran across the following story this morning, and wanted to get the board's thoughts:

From The Consumerist

Dad Not Thrilled With Response When Child Goes Missing On Disney Cruise

By Chris Morran March 11, 2013

It’s every parent’s nightmare — you leave your young child in the care of someone else for a few hours, only to return and find your kid has gone AWOL.

That’s what Brent Csutoras says happened to his family during a Disney Wonder cruise in January.
According to Brent, he and his wife had dropped their 3-year-old son off at an on-ship childcare facility, where each youngster was fitted with an electronic wristband tracking system that should alert staff if the child wanders off and then help pinpoint the kid’s position on the ship. When Brent returned a bit later to pick his son up, he was nowhere to be found. Brent went from room to room, but to no avail.

“I returned to the room where I’d originally started searching, and the employee commented that this was the third time they’d seen me there–was everything okay?,” he writes. “I told him I couldn’t find my son, so they started walking around, calling his name. I began looking under draped compartments, behind obstacles, anywhere a child might hide.”

After contacting his wife, who had gone to pick up their infant from the ship’s nursery, and searching a bit more around the day care, Brent came to the horrifying conclusion that his child had gone missing.

“I don’t know if I can fully describe the feeling when you realize your child is gone,” he explains. “Everything changed from that moment… I was no longer frustrated, angry, or annoyed, I was scared to death and went completely into FIND MY CHILD MODE, which started with understanding their operating procedures for missing children.”

He spoke to the day care staff and asked about the process of searching for a missing child.
“He said the next step was to check the tracking band system, which would pinpoint my son’s location,” recalls Brent. “We walked over to the computer and as they pulled it up, everyone got very quiet. The screen showed my son’s band as ‘UNREADABLE’!!!.”

Trying to remain calm, Brent ran to another of the ship’s childcare facilities, hoping that somehow his son had ended up there. No such luck. And so it was back to the original facility, where still no one had been able to locate his son.

Brent’s wife was now sobbing, and he says none of the ship’s crew were doing anything to console her or calm her down.

“They literally turned their backs on her and acted like she was irrational and overreacting,” he says.

Since the ship was still at the dock, Brent wondered if his son could have wandered down the gangway, so he ran to speak to the staff there.

“I told the personnel at the gangway that my son was missing from their child care facility and that they needed to make sure no one else left the ship until he was found,” writes Brent. “They gave no indication they would stop anyone from leaving, and were unaware of a missing child, a full 20 minutes after he’d gone missing. They said if I had a missing child I needed to inform Guest Services.”

And so it was up to Guest Services, where Brent asked why no announcement had been made about his missing son. A crew member said that an announcement had gone out through the staff’s internal cellphone system, though this only made Brent wonder why the gangway personnel seemed unaware of the problem.

Back to the childcare facilities, where no one had any further word of his child’s whereabouts. Brent pulled a staff member, who had actually been actively looking for his son, aside.

“I said firmly and clearly that they had make 20 announcements a day about excursions, parties, and dinner times, but in the 45 minutes since my son had gone missing, not one announcement had been made,” he writes. “Nothing that said ‘excuse me guests, but we have a 3 year-old boy who has gone missing, so please take a look around and see if you spot anyone matching this description.’

“I told her if she didn’t make an announcement immediately, I’d be forced to break down the door and make the damn announcement myself!”

Luckily, there was no need for that, as a friend flagged Brent down to tell him the boy had been found and was unharmed. Crisis over, but there were still too many questions for Brent and his wife:
How had our son been able to craw away and fall asleep without anyone noticing?
Why were the employees unable to find him for nearly 45 minutes?
Why was his security band unreadable?
Why did everyone ignore my wife and make her feel so alone and terrified?
Why did none of the ship’s crew seem to be aware there was a missing child, despite the wave phone message which seemed to be their primary form of communication?
Why was no announcement made on the ship at any point?
Most importantly, why was there no apparent protocol in the event of a missing child considering this is Disney, a world-class organization that builds it’s reputation on the happiness of children?
They requested to speak with the ship’s captain, but had to settle for a sit-down with the Cruise Director, who apologized and assured them that there is a process for handling lost-child emergencies, “however since that hadn’t been apparent to us, they would look into that and address it,” says Brent. The Cruise Director also promised to investigate why the boy’s tracking band wasn’t working.

The Cruise Director asked what could be done to make up for the incident. Seeing as how Brent and his wife felt that their entire cruise had been soured by this experience, wrote the Director a note requesting a refund.

The Director promised them that someone from Disney’s corporate office would contact them, and shortly after returning from the cruise, a rep called. She said that Disney could not offer a refund, but could give the family a two-day Disney World park-pass with limited access.

“She told me that since our son went missing on the third day of the trip, we had enjoyed the first two days and only the last two days were ruined,” says Brent. “Therefore, they were only willing to offer two day park passes as compensation. Adding insult to injury, the last thing she said before she hung up was to call her back if we changed our mind about accepting her offer.”

Brent feels that this experience has turned his family from one that could have spent an awful lot of money on Disney-related vacations and gifts to one that probably won’t be booking any trips to the Magic Kingdom in the foreseeable future.

“Where is the Disney ‘magic’?” he asks. “For me, it’s been lost. Where is the customer service Disney is supposed to be known for? Nonexistent.”

We reached out to the folks at Disney Cruises about this story and received the following response:
At Disney, nothing is more important to us than the safety and security of our guests and their children. All of our ships have spaces designed especially for children with measures in place to provide for a secure and fun experience. To utilize the Youth Activities spaces onboard, children and parents must check in upon boarding the ship. Youth Activities crew members have a background in child care and undergo specific training. We feel for what the parents went through during this time. The child was found safe and sound within the secured Youth Activity area. Our shipboard and shoreside teams have spoken with the family about their experience and offered goodwill gestures.
We also asked Disney for specifics on its protocol for alerting crew members about missing children, and while a rep for Disney would say the company has detailed procedures in place, it doesn’t share the details of these procedures because to do so would compromise the effectiveness.

I don't blame the Dad in being angry here, because from his perspective it doesn't sound like they did a very good job of handling the situation. However, I know there are two sides to every story, and in this case we probably will never know Disney's side.
The fact that the security band wasn't working is inexcusable. The fact that no public announcement was made is also inexcusable.
 

GrumpyFan

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I would be curious to know more about their protocol, and whether they followed it. I would guess that there are defined procedures, and possibly even a point specifically defined when the search is broadened. I'm also curious about the security band being unreadable, and whether it was due to being out of range or just not functioning. My guess would be the first, regardless, it is unacceptable.
 

sweetpee_1993

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I saw it this morning. I'll have to go fetch the link to the original thing the father wrote about that but the above post is a blog entry. It's not unbiased. It's a one-sided impression of what happened. And, no, the father was NOT privvy to the all the policies and procedures the cruise line has in place for handling the situation.

First of all, there's no announcement over the PA system about a missing child because (DUH) you don't know what kind of person is hearing that. If the child was abducted that could prompt another action that could be even worse.

The dad totally paniced. He didn't handle that well at all. Not saying I fault him. Definitely a freak-out worthy moment to have. Running to the gangway seemed sorta silly to me. How a kid could wander past that many people alone off a gangway is so unlikely. Wouldn't it be better to stand by the club and ensure contacts and alerts are outgoing??? He says his wife was inconsolable...so he ran off to freak out some more. Why didn't he do anything to help her? She's not helpless. Not Disney's responsibility to blow an adult's nose. Plus, where do you want the efforts going: find your child or dab your wife's tears???

At the end where the father says he didn't have to follow thru on his threat to make the all-call himself because "a friend" alerted him his child had been found....now I'm wondering if this couple was traveling with friends where were they while the wife was inconsolable and in such distress? Also note, the father never said where the child was found. DCL aluded to it when they said the child was found in the area of the club. If you read the original post from the dad (I've got to find that link) he does say the kid had crawled under a tunnel of stacked chairs in the kids club or something like that and gone to sleep. So the child never left the kids club.

Do I think DCL could've handled communication with the parents a little better while the search was going on? Sure. But for many (obvious to me) reasons there's some policies and procedures that do not need to be told to guests. Given that this man is happy to share so openly, who's to say he wouldn't have posted every detail of what DCL's procedures are all over the interwebs??? Now pedophiles everywhere know the system and can figure out how to skirt it. Again, a total no-brainer to me.

The fact that this father is throwing his story around and obviously dismayed at not getting a FULL refund of his cruise fare kinda comes off as a bashing campaign because he didn't get what he wanted. His cruise WAS at least half-finished when the incident occured. Disney didn't overreact in the situation, the parents did. The kid was never outside the club area so, again, not sure where Disney did anything wrong. Lots of things can happen to anyone's cruise to cause them to not have the most magical time that aren't necessarily Disney's doing. That's on the guests. Once the situation was resolved it's up to the parents to be adults and get on withe their vacation. Refunding the cruise fare doesn't erase it or change it. If the cruise director had refunded the in full on the spot would they have had a better time the final 2 days? Doesn't sound like it to me. They were upset and it was a done deal. IMO, Disney doesn't owe these folks the goodwill gesture they were offered since, technically, they didn't do anything wrong.

One question I do have is about the father being allowed in the club to look for his son. Is it normal for parents to come into the child care areas when it's NOT Open House to be amoungst the kids? If I had a little one in that club I'd be concerned what other guests would have access to my kiddo when I wasn't present. Ya know?
 

sweetpee_1993

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The fact that the security band wasn't working is inexcusable. The fact that no public announcement was made is also inexcusable.

I don't know enough about the magic bands to know how they work. I've read where some people say they are GPS enabled so locating utilizing them is possible while others say it's only like a media ticket where it's scannable to show checking in or out status. I don't know. Either way, even if it had functioned under either capacity the kid was never NOT in the kids club area. They'd have known that. The father says the magic band wasn't working. Wasn't working how? Was it not reading anything? Was it saying the kid was never outside the club? Was it saying the kid's location was within the club but they didn't physically see him so it caused the silent confused reaction??? The blog post isn't specific about that.

No public announcement is a matter of safety. The LAST thing you want to do is alert God only knows who that there's a 3 year old wandering the ship alone. Then, of course, there's the panic you'll start with other parents of little ones. It's best to maintain the status quo and get the child found without the possibiity of alerting the wrong person that something is up. If the child was kidnapped this could prompt something worse. If a pedophile happens to be onboard now they know there's an opportunity and they'll more actively seek it out.
 

sweetpee_1993

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I would be curious to know more about their protocol, and whether they followed it. I would guess that there are defined procedures, and possibly even a point specifically defined when the search is broadened. I'm also curious about the security band being unreadable, and whether it was due to being out of range or just not functioning. My guess would be the first, regardless, it is unacceptable.

I'd also love to know more about the protocol but then again maybe it's best that the public didn't know. If it keeps kids even a little bit safer, I'm okay with trusting that there is a procedure. Ya know?
 

sweetpee_1993

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Here ya go. Definitely more details here than were in the original blog post. Again, this is another blog post:

http://www.brentcsutoras.com/2013/03/06/disney-cruise-lost-child-destroyed-vacation-lost-confidence/

I don't want to come off like I think DCL is perfect and I'm a defender of everything they do, yada yada yada. I do think they could've kept a person with the parents, explained there are procedures and things are happening even if they didn't SEE a huge panic, and at least try to keep the dad from freaking out running all over the ship. I think if they'd had just 1 CM to sit with them, talk with them, assure them, then it might've avoided the Holy freak-out by both. Sometimes it takes things like this to prompt improvements in procedures. Thankfully, the child was fine and was never in any danger.

You know, with WDW going to the RFID Magic Bands maybe the kids clubs and the ship would be another opportunity to expand the technology. Still, having GPS locating capability could also pose an additional risk if the wrong person were to hack the system. There's definitely a fine line to be walked on how far to go with this stuff. It's definitely a situation that has no easy answers.
 

Master Yoda

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I saw it this morning. I'll have to go fetch the link to the original thing the father wrote about that but the above post is a blog entry. It's not unbiased. It's a one-sided impression of what happened. And, no, the father was NOT privvy to the all the policies and procedures the cruise line has in place for handling the situation.

First of all, there's no announcement over the PA system about a missing child because (DUH) you don't know what kind of person is hearing that. If the child was abducted that could prompt another action that could be even worse.

The dad totally paniced. He didn't handle that well at all. Not saying I fault him. Definitely a freak-out worthy moment to have. Running to the gangway seemed sorta silly to me. How a kid could wander past that many people alone off a gangway is so unlikely. Wouldn't it be better to stand by the club and ensure contacts and alerts are outgoing??? He says his wife was inconsolable...so he ran off to freak out some more. Why didn't he do anything to help her? She's not helpless. Not Disney's responsibility to blow an adult's nose. Plus, where do you want the efforts going: find your child or dab your wife's tears???

At the end where the father says he didn't have to follow thru on his threat to make the all-call himself because "a friend" alerted him his child had been found....now I'm wondering if this couple was traveling with friends where were they while the wife was inconsolable and in such distress? Also note, the father never said where the child was found. DCL aluded to it when they said the child was found in the area of the club. If you read the original post from the dad (I've got to find that link) he does say the kid had crawled under a tunnel of stacked chairs in the kids club or something like that and gone to sleep. So the child never left the kids club.

Do I think DCL could've handled communication with the parents a little better while the search was going on? Sure. But for many (obvious to me) reasons there's some policies and procedures that do not need to be told to guests. Given that this man is happy to share so openly, who's to say he wouldn't have posted every detail of what DCL's procedures are all over the interwebs??? Now pedophiles everywhere know the system and can figure out how to skirt it. Again, a total no-brainer to me.

The fact that this father is throwing his story around and obviously dismayed at not getting a FULL refund of his cruise fare kinda comes off as a bashing campaign because he didn't get what he wanted. His cruise WAS at least half-finished when the incident occured. Disney didn't overreact in the situation, the parents did. The kid was never outside the club area so, again, not sure where Disney did anything wrong. Lots of things can happen to anyone's cruise to cause them to not have the most magical time that aren't necessarily Disney's doing. That's on the guests. Once the situation was resolved it's up to the parents to be adults and get on withe their vacation. Refunding the cruise fare doesn't erase it or change it. If the cruise director had refunded the in full on the spot would they have had a better time the final 2 days? Doesn't sound like it to me. They were upset and it was a done deal. IMO, Disney doesn't owe these folks the goodwill gesture they were offered since, technically, they didn't do anything wrong.

One question I do have is about the father being allowed in the club to look for his son. Is it normal for parents to come into the child care areas when it's NOT Open House to be amoungst the kids? If I had a little one in that club I'd be concerned what other guests would have access to my kiddo when I wasn't present. Ya know?
This^^^^
We are hearing one side of a story from an emotional, overreacting parent who, IMHO, is probably looking for a pay day.
 

wdwstateofmind

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First, he waited to search himself instead of getting the staff immediately? Counter-productive and makes it seem like he's hiding something. Second, why would they announce it? The sheer panic that would create far out-weighs the consequences of not announcing it...and I agree with a lot of you, "emotional parents" (you know the ones that have those stories and incidents like this all the time) always have a good story to tell where they were wronged regardless of what actually happened...

Also, LMAO that the staff should have consoled his wife! Gee buddy, what did you marry her for?
 

GrumpyFan

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I don't know enough about the magic bands to know how they work. I've read where some people say they are GPS enabled so locating utilizing them is possible while others say it's only like a media ticket where it's scannable to show checking in or out status. I don't know. Either way, even if it had functioned under either capacity the kid was never NOT in the kids club area. They'd have known that. The father says the magic band wasn't working. Wasn't working how? Was it not reading anything? Was it saying the kid was never outside the club? Was it saying the kid's location was within the club but they didn't physically see him so it caused the silent confused reaction??? The blog post isn't specific about that.

I don't think they use GPS, because that's generally subjective to having and getting a good signal via satellite, which would be difficult inside a steel ship. I believe they use RF signals which would be similar to TV remote or even am/fm radio, but these tend to have short distances and limited by other obstructions. In the article and the blog, he said the computer screen showed "UNREADABLE", and eventually they found the kid sleeping in a tunnel of a play fort. So, it sounds like it was just a case of the signal being obstructed.
 

Master Yoda

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I don't think they use GPS, because that's generally subjective to having and getting a good signal via satellite, which would be difficult inside a steel ship. I believe they use RF signals which would be similar to TV remote or even am/fm radio, but these tend to have short distances and limited by other obstructions. In the article and the blog, he said the computer screen showed "UNREADABLE", and eventually they found the kid sleeping in a tunnel of a play fort. So, it sounds like it was just a case of the signal being obstructed.
That is what I was thinking as well. Of course none of that is presented by the ranting parent that was done wrong by the mouse.
 

GrumpyFan

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That is what I was thinking as well. Of course none of that is presented by the ranting parent that was done wrong by the mouse.

I don't necessarily blame this guy, I mean, we are talking about his child. I might be pretty livid as well if it were mine, but hopefully a bit more understanding. Fortunately, and most importantly, things worked out for the best in the end, and it sounds like it was just an oversight. Hopefully, though, Disney re-evaluates their processes and beefs up their systems to better track kids, and maybe even better trains their people (if necessary) on how to deal with these kinds of things.
 

Master Yoda

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I don't necessarily blame this guy, I mean, we are talking about his child. I might be pretty livid as well if it were mine, but hopefully a bit more understanding. Fortunately, and most importantly, things worked out for the best in the end, and it sounds like it was just an oversight. Hopefully, though, Disney re-evaluates their processes and beefs up their systems to better track kids, and maybe even better trains their people (if necessary) on how to deal with these kinds of things.
I blame him a little. Overreacting seems to be the default action anymore and it almost never leads to anything good. More often than not it hurts the situation. Go nuts AFTER your kid is found. Until then be level headed and let the pros work the procedures.
 

flynnibus

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The original story doesn't say where the child was found.. that's convenient isn't it?
Overhead announcements are not the way to do things.. this isn't KMart.

The kid bands actually show location in the clubs - not just when they check in/out. They let the staff know which part of the club the child is in.

It sounds like overreaction both during the event and after by the father to me.

Notice the guy didn't ask for his child when he got to the club? He chose to look for child himself.. yet he paints the staff looking at him and offering assistance as something 'behind the curve..'
Notice he didn't talk about how children are not allowed OUT of the club without having their band checked?

He immediately jumped to 'child anywhere on the boat!!' instead of focusing on what they knew.
 

WWWD

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The father definitely over reacted, but I'm guessing when he read "unreadable" on the screen, his mind went to that dark place of the band being out of range or over board.

People react differently when under stress. Some can control their emotions and work on solving the problem at hand. Others run around like a chicken with its head cut off.

Now, after the fact the father should be doing some of his own self reflection on how he handled things.
 

ratherbeinwdw

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I don't know enough about the magic bands to know how they work. I've read where some people say they are GPS enabled so locating utilizing them is possible while others say it's only like a media ticket where it's scannable to show checking in or out status. I don't know. Either way, even if it had functioned under either capacity the kid was never NOT in the kids club area. They'd have known that. The father says the magic band wasn't working. Wasn't working how? Was it not reading anything? Was it saying the kid was never outside the club? Was it saying the kid's location was within the club but they didn't physically see him so it caused the silent confused reaction??? The blog post isn't specific about that.

No public announcement is a matter of safety. The LAST thing you want to do is alert God only knows who that there's a 3 year old wandering the ship alone. Then, of course, there's the panic you'll start with other parents of little ones. It's best to maintain the status quo and get the child found without the possibiity of alerting the wrong person that something is up. If the child was kidnapped this could prompt something worse. If a pedophile happens to be onboard now they know there's an opportunity and they'll more actively seek it out.
The first thing that happens outside is to get the info out as fast as possible. That's why we have Amber alerts. So many children have been saved by quick action. People don't pay attention to little kids when they are boarding. They are busy with their own party. People would probably assume the child was with someone else. It would have been very easy to get him off that ship. The father's action to run to the gangway was a great idea. Telling them to be on the watch, could have saved his son had someone tried to leave the ship with the child.
 

Gabe1

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I would have freaked...my brain would have gone to who took him, was he taken off the ship, did he go overboard, I am pretty stoic by nature however missing child and not seeing concern on Disney's part I could understand a meltdown of any parent especially coupled with the wristband not working. Malfunctioning wristband didn't seem to come off in the piece as a concern to the staff of the care center, almost like they knew wristbands were not always operational.

Did Disney ever located the CM that went missing from the ship on the Mexico voyage?
 

Master Yoda

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I would have freaked...my brain would have gone to who took him, was he taken off the ship, did he go overboard, I am pretty stoic by nature however missing child and not seeing concern on Disney's part I could understand a meltdown of any parent especially coupled with the wristband not working. Malfunctioning wristband didn't seem to come off in the piece as a concern to the staff of the care center, almost like they knew wristbands were not always operational.

Did Disney ever located the CM that went missing from the ship on the Mexico voyage?
As was stated earlier, we do not know if that was the case. The computer code "unreadable" could have meant anything from a band not working to it being in an area where it lost signal or anything else in between. Dear old dad did not bother to ask what that meant and decided to go into an oh so productive all caps, exclamation point riddled rant instead.
 

bsiev1977

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I don't know enough about the magic bands to know how they work. I've read where some people say they are GPS enabled so locating utilizing them is possible while others say it's only like a media ticket where it's scannable to show checking in or out status. I don't know. Either way, even if it had functioned under either capacity the kid was never NOT in the kids club area. They'd have known that. The father says the magic band wasn't working. Wasn't working how? Was it not reading anything? Was it saying the kid was never outside the club? Was it saying the kid's location was within the club but they didn't physically see him so it caused the silent confused reaction??? The blog post isn't specific about that.

No public announcement is a matter of safety. The LAST thing you want to do is alert God only knows who that there's a 3 year old wandering the ship alone. Then, of course, there's the panic you'll start with other parents of little ones. It's best to maintain the status quo and get the child found without the possibiity of alerting the wrong person that something is up. If the child was kidnapped this could prompt something worse. If a pedophile happens to be onboard now they know there's an opportunity and they'll more actively seek it out.

I had your exact thought when reading about the Dad wanting a public announcement made. That's why stores use the Code ADAM system, named for John Walsh's deceased son.
 

ChuckElias

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It would have been very easy to get him off that ship.
I don't think that's true, actually. Nobody gets off the ship or re-boards without a KTTW card. This was a child, not an infant; so he -- or his abductor -- would have to produce the key card. And if they had done that, there would be a record that he'd left the ship. You can't just wander off the ship.

The father's action to run to the gangway was a great idea. Telling them to be on the watch, could have saved his son had someone tried to leave the ship with the child.
I actually do agree with this, although if the DCL protocol had worked properly, I would hope that the CMs at the gangway would already have been aware not to let this particular child off the ship.
 

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