Minor Trash Can Explosion at DisneyLAND in Anaheim

[unkadug]

there cant ever be a 100% percent chance i was not saying the guy should have done it or that it was no big deal i was saying that it seemed to me that he wasnt doing it to harm anybody and that his bail shouldnt be a million dollars

zero tolerance for terrorist activities

 

[englanddg]

zero tolerance for terrorist activities

Not sure I would classify a dumb prank as a "terrorist activity".

I would classify it as a dumb prank.

 

[unkadug]

Not sure I would classify a dumb prank as a "terrorist activity".

I would classify it as a dumb prank.

It's a dumb prank that got treated as a terrorist activity because when it happened it "could" have been terrorist related.

It was treated like a terrorist activity because when it happened nobody knew that it was just a prank gone wrong.

Just like in the schools when little Johnny gets expelled for taking his Dad's gun to show and tell....he wasn't meaning to use the gun...just show it off. Or the kid who takes a toy gun and gets expelled....zero tolerance.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

There shouldn't be any percentage of the time...especially in a public place.

I agree about the "public place" part... absolutely incomprehensibly stupid that someone would do it in a public place. In private, even on a side street, I don't see how it's much different than kids playing with fireworks. That's OK is some areas and not in others, but I think that's pretty much what this "bomb" is. Maybe even safer than fireworks, as I've seen a kid on Youtube pick up a dry ice bomb because it didn't go off... of course it went off in his hand (he was fine). Even picking up a little firecracker like that would cause burns or worse, I think. Even though fireworks are illegal in my state, I heard them on what felt like every night from mid-May through August when I lived in the city. I didn't think there was a terrorist attack. If I'm at a concert or something and I see or hear what looks like an explosion coming from a garbage can... completely different.

 

[englanddg]

I agree about the "public place" part... absolutely incomprehensibly stupid that someone would do it in a public place. In private, even on a side street, I don't see how it's much different than kids playing with fireworks. That's OK is some areas and not in others, but I think that's pretty much what this "bomb" is. Maybe even safer than fireworks, as I've seen a kid on Youtube pick up a dry ice bomb because it didn't go off... of course it went off in his hand (he was fine). Even picking up a little firecracker like that would cause burns or worse, I think. Even though fireworks are illegal in my state, I heard them on what felt like every night from mid-May through August when I lived in the city. I didn't think there was a terrorist attack. If I'm at a concert or something and I see or hear what looks like an explosion coming from a garbage can... completely different.

An m-80 can take off a finger.

On my first trip alone to NYC I was 18, and I remember getting off the subway. I started hearing "pop-pop-pop-pop-ratttatatata-pop!" (bad sound effects) and thought it was gunshots (NYC wasn't known for being very safe in the mid 90s...it's gotten a lot better). I panicked and ran inside a shop that was there. It didn't stop.

It took me a few minutes to realize that I'd gotten off in Chinatown, and it was Chinese New Year! They were setting off firecrackers...

I felt like a rube...

 

[thomas998]

You have to mix it with water.

No, it will explode without water. The water just makes the reaction go quicker, but I've seen it done by simply cramming dry ice into a container without water, the only downside was that it took a very long time before it went off. I also remember making vinegar bomb in high school where you just filled a 2 liter pop bottle with some vinegar and backing soda, would be just like your dry ice bomb in the amount of noise it would make. They do sound about like a shotgun blast and in a trash can I imagine they would sound louder to those near by.

 

[thomas998]

I think he thought dry ice to be ice, so he put it in a drink to keep it cold. When it started reacting he probably freaked and threw it in a trash can

Have you every had dry ice? You wouldn't put it in your drink, for one thing it is so cold it would burn your fingers when you picked it up. In order to put it into a bottle you would have to break it up into small pieces and put it in the bottle and that means you are going to have to use some gloves and it is going to take you some time to do unless you don't mind frost bitten finger tips.

 

[PhotoDave219]

No, it will explode without water. The water just makes the reaction go quicker, but I've seen it done by simply cramming dry ice into a container without water, the only downside was that it took a very long time before it went off. I also remember making vinegar bomb in high school where you just filled a 2 liter pop bottle with some vinegar and backing soda, would be just like your dry ice bomb in the amount of noise it would make. They do sound about like a shotgun blast and in a trash can I imagine they would sound louder to those near by.

I'm not going to the household cleaning aisle of the supermarket with you.

 

[thomas998]

I'm not going to the household cleaning aisle of the supermarket with you.

I'm no longer a threat to society... Fortunately I survived the teenage years of trying to blow things up with all my fingers still attached to my hands... I simply pray my kids never try any of the stupid things we did as kids as we were simply lucky no one was every injured.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

I'm no longer a threat to society... Fortunately I survived the teenage years of trying to blow things up with all my fingers still attached to my hands... I simply pray my kids never try any of the stupid things we did as kids as we were simply lucky no one was every injured.

You and me both, LOL.

 

[unkadug]

Interesting passage that I found on Wikipedia regarding dry ice:

California law defines "destructive device" as a type of weapon, including "any sealed device containing dry ice (CO2) or other chemically-reactive substances assembled for the purpose of causing an explosion by a chemical reaction."[31] However, dry ice bombs operate not via chemical reaction but via a simple phase change. The approximate volume of carbon dioxide gas produced by sublimating a known mass of dry ice can be calculated using the Ideal gas law. While dry ice bombs are not explosive devices per se, when the container bursts, it releases plastic shards that can injure an unprotected person.​

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So a good defense lawyer will argue that this was not a "destructive device" by definition.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Interesting passage that I found on Wikipedia regarding dry ice:

California law defines "destructive device" as a type of weapon, including "any sealed device containing dry ice (CO2) or other chemically-reactive substances assembled for the purpose of causing an explosion by a chemical reaction."[31] However, dry ice bombs operate not via chemical reaction but via a simple phase change. The approximate volume of carbon dioxide gas produced by sublimating a known mass of dry ice can be calculated using the Ideal gas law. While dry ice bombs are not explosive devices per se, when the container bursts, it releases plastic shards that can injure an unprotected person.​

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So a good defense lawyer will argue that this was not a "destructive device" by definition.

How so? The statute specifically mentions CO2 devices.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

Interesting passage that I found on Wikipedia regarding dry ice:

California law defines "destructive device" as a type of weapon, including "any sealed device containing dry ice (CO2) or other chemically-reactive substances assembled for the purpose of causing an explosion by a chemical reaction."[31] However, dry ice bombs operate not via chemical reaction but via a simple phase change. The approximate volume of carbon dioxide gas produced by sublimating a known mass of dry ice can be calculated using the Ideal gas law. While dry ice bombs are not explosive devices per se, when the container bursts, it releases plastic shards that can injure an unprotected person.​

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So a good defense lawyer will argue that this was not a "destructive device" by definition.

I think the person that wrote the article read the law wrong. Here's how I took it:
"Any sealed device containing dry ice (CO2)

or

other chemically-reactive substances assembled for the purpose of causing an explosion by a chemical reaction."

 

[englanddg]

I think the person that wrote the article read the law wrong. Here's how I took it:
"Any sealed device containing dry ice (CO2)

or

other chemically-reactive substances assembled for the purpose of causing an explosion by a chemical reaction."

Since water is required to create an effective rapid explosion dry ice bomb, it is a chemical reaction.

7th grade Chemistry fail.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

Since water is required to create an effective rapid explosion dry ice bomb, it is a chemical reaction.

7th grade Chemistry fail.

The explosion is caused by CO2 sublimating from a solid to a gas... that's a physical change, not a chemical one. Dissolving the gas into the water would also be a physical change. I'm not aware of any new substances created by putting dry ice in water, and you need to make something new for it to be a chemical change.

It doesn't matter, though. I think the "any sealed device containing dry ice (CO2)" part stands on its own.

 

[englanddg]

The explosion is caused by CO2 sublimating from a solid to a gas... that's a physical change, not a chemical one. Dissolving the gas into the water would also be a physical change. I'm not aware of any new substances created by putting dry ice in water, and you need to make something new for it to be a chemical change.

It doesn't matter, though. I think the "any sealed device containing dry ice (CO2)" part stands on its own.

True true.

<goes back to 7th grade chemistry>

 

[Clamman73]

Interesting passage that I found on Wikipedia regarding dry ice:

California law defines "destructive device" as a type of weapon, including "any sealed device containing dry ice (CO2) or other chemically-reactive substances assembled for the purpose of causing an explosion by a chemical reaction."[31] However, dry ice bombs operate not via chemical reaction but via a simple phase change. The approximate volume of carbon dioxide gas produced by sublimating a known mass of dry ice can be calculated using the Ideal gas law. While dry ice bombs are not explosive devices per se, when the container bursts, it releases plastic shards that can injure an unprotected person.​

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So a good defense lawyer will argue that this was not a "destructive device" by definition.

See if a good defense lawyer wouldn't mind a dry ice device to explode next to his ear...

 

[englanddg]

See if a good defense lawyer wouldn't mind a dry ice device to explode next to his ear...

Good defense lawyers can't hear anyhow.

 

[Californian Elitist]

The explosion is caused by CO2 sublimating from a solid to a gas... that's a physical change, not a chemical one. Dissolving the gas into the water would also be a physical change. I'm not aware of any new substances created by putting dry ice in water, and you need to make something new for it to be a chemical change.

It doesn't matter, though. I think the "any sealed device containing dry ice (CO2)" part stands on its own.

Somebody passed their middle and high school chemistry classes.

 

[RandomPrincess]

Anyone see the Mice Age article stating these dry ice pranks have been going on at DL since the 1990s and are considered a badge of honor among the ODV CMs - Link to article. The article claims that ODV managers have know about this for decades and have never done anything about it. Seems this CM made the mistake of having his dry ice bomb being onstage.