Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway confirmed

SteveAZee

SteveAZee

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Disneyhead'71 said:
Ummm. You do realize that they are putting a clone of the Rat ride into a clone of Paris, right?

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It's like the "Inception" of cloning. A clone within a clone. Ooooo, kinda deep, huh? ;)

I have no problem with cloning headliners, but I prefer shared tech instead. But I believe Dinosaur showed the danger in relying on that. I would have rather had a straight up clone of IJA than than a loud dark ride through the Hobby Lobby Plastic Plant Warehouse. A clone of the Rat ride in WS is quasi-theme appropriate. Which, oddly enough, WDI seems to be struggling with these days. And it is a solid and popular attraction. For the target audience (3-10 year olds), I think it is an appropriate introduction to French culture when combined with the rest of the pavilion. And it's a 1000% better than what they are doing over in the other half of the park. Which is not a clone, and is NOT theme appropriate in any way, shape, or form.
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Send in the clones...
 
Daveeeeed

Daveeeeed

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MickeyMario said:
Shanghai Disneyland has the most unique opening day lineup ever for a castle park. (not counting Disneyland of course)

So there are always exceptions
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It's also a unique Castle park which is great as they should all be different. It is heavy on IPs though and it is high quality without charm.
 
Daveeeeed

Daveeeeed

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matt9112 said:
and it's also in a communist country so.....not like Disney had alot of artistic liberty.
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That doesn't really have anything to do with it. Sure, the Shanghai Shendi Group (government owned) wanted their park to be unique and acknowledge Chinese culture, but it didn't really force the Imagineers into doing certain things, besides, of course, both sides wanting IPs. The execution of things like Mickey Avenue and the POTC ride was on the design team. I suppose they had some constraints in terms of it being distinctly Chinese, but you have to cater to your audience, and any design has limitations.
 
matt9112

matt9112

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David2319 said:
That doesn't really have anything to do with it. Sure, the Shanghai Shendi Group (government owned) wanted their park to be unique and acknowledge Chinese culture, but it didn't really force the Imagineers into doing certain things, besides, of course, both sides wanting IPs. The execution of things like Mickey Avenue and the POTC ride was on the design team. I suppose they had some constraints in terms of it being distinctly Chinese, but you have to cater to your audience, and any design has limitations.
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the park is amazing but lacks any of the traditional castle park feel IMHO. I think 74 hit it on the head when he basically said (major paraphrasing) it's a nice park but it's not a magic kingdom feeling place.
 
Daveeeeed

Daveeeeed

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matt9112 said:
the park is amazing but lacks any of the traditional castle park feel IMHO. I think 74 hit it on the head when he basically said (major paraphrasing) it's a nice park but it's not a magic kingdom feeling place.
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I think that limiting a park to be so similar to the original Disneyland has never been the best idea, so I think it is good that it is different. Different is not always better, and I would assume they made more bad changes than they made good ones, but the biggest problem I would assume lies in the overuse of IPs that do not tell a story to connect the story of the individual lands.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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shortstop said:
This sums up well what I am trying to say. When I travel to Disney Parks around the globe, I want unique experiences. This opportunity starts to fade if every Disney attraction added is a clone of a ride elsewhere. It seems selfish to me to prefer clones over original attractions.
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Take a look at what you just said. At first I thought you were joking, but then I realized that you were serious.

"It seems selfish"? That's an astoundingly bold accusation after you just made the statement "When I travel to Disney Parks around the globe..."

You do realize that the vast majority of people who walk through the gates of WDW will never visit another Disney park - much less "Disney Parks around the globe" - right?

What seems incredibly selfish is thinking that instead of meeting the expectations of 90%++ of guests who naturally think that Disney Parks offer similar experiences, like any "chain". Do you know how many people have gone to City Hall at MK over the years asking where the Matterhorn is? (Of course, now, they can say AK, LOL.)

When you talk to anyone who isn't a super-Disney Parks freak (like everyone who comes here) and you mention wanting to visit Disneyland Paris or Toyko Disneyland the most common reaction is a laugh at how "crazy you are for Disney!" They can't imagine why on Earth (literally) you would travel such a great distance to "see the same thing you can see here?" It's like saying that you can't wait to go to Paris to try out the McDonalds inside the Louvre (and yes, there is one).

Outside of the pixie-dust-bubble, the notion that we pejoratively label "clones" is just what people expect naturally, and for Disney, it makes financial sense because of the savings in R&D. When you realize how the real world views it, the only selfish view is wanting Disney to spend money it doesn't need to, and keeping experiences away from guests who will never get to experience them otherwise - just so a comparatively tiny portion of super-Disney-Park fans can preserve their "unique" experience when they go on their grand world tour.
 
EricsBiscuit

EricsBiscuit

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AEfx said:
Take a look at what you just said. At first I thought you were joking, but then I realized that you were serious.

"It seems selfish"? That's an astoundingly bold accusation after you just made the statement "When I travel to Disney Parks around the globe..."

You do realize that the vast majority of people who walk through the gates of WDW will never visit another Disney park - much less "Disney Parks around the globe" - right?

What seems incredibly selfish is thinking that instead of meeting the expectations of 90%++ of guests who naturally think that Disney Parks offer similar experiences, like any "chain". Do you know how many people have gone to City Hall at MK over the years asking where the Matterhorn is? (Of course, now, they can say AK, LOL.)

When you talk to anyone who isn't a super-Disney Parks freak (like everyone who comes here) and you mention wanting to visit Disneyland Paris or Toyko Disneyland the most common reaction is a laugh at how "crazy you are for Disney!" They can't imagine why on Earth (literally) you would travel such a great distance to "see the same thing you can see here?" It's like saying that you can't wait to go to Paris to try out the McDonalds inside the Louvre (and yes, there is one).

Outside of the pixie-dust-bubble, the notion that we pejoratively label "clones" is just what people expect naturally, and for Disney, it makes financial sense because of the savings in R&D. When you realize how the real world views it, the only selfish view is wanting Disney to spend money it doesn't need to, and keeping experiences away from guests who will never get to experience them otherwise - just so a comparatively tiny portion of super-Disney-Park fans can preserve their "unique" experience when they go on their grand world tour.
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When I told a friend I went to shanghai, the response was: "was it any different than ours?"
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Kman101 said:
Yep, I've gotten that too. I mentioned going to Disneyland Paris this year (now it will be next year) to my mom who said "don't you have Disney here?" lol (and it's not just Disneyland Paris I'd be going for though ...)
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I went to Disneyland Paris a couple of years ago. Not to see DLP, but, as a side trip to my European visit. There was, of course, many aspects that seemed familiar but, that is where all the simularities stopped. All of the "cloned" attractions were different internally then the ones we were used to, however, were similar enough to feel relaxing and familiar. I certainly didn't leave there thinking that I saw all that before. However, to have a MAJOR attractions cloned, like Small World, Haunted Mansion, Jungle Cruise or one of those included just give it the warm fuzzy feeling of family that helps when everyone around you is speaking a different language. (But, enough about California);):joyfull:
 
EricsBiscuit

EricsBiscuit

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Kman101 said:
Yep, I've gotten that too. I mentioned going to Disneyland Paris this year (now it will be next year) to my mom who said "don't you have Disney here?" lol (and it's not just Disneyland Paris I'd be going for though ...)
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I would have gone next year but Phantom Manor is closed for a while.
 
rocketraccoon

rocketraccoon

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Mike S said:
I don't get what I'm looking at here.

A portal? What angle? What location?
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It's the doors to the old exit to GMR. The little room between the load/unload area and the outside.
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The windows got covered up with a tarp on the inside when the ride closed.
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The lack of a second set of doors means that they're starting to make structural changes in that area I think.
 
rocketraccoon

rocketraccoon

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spaceship_spencer123 said:
Could the doors be peeked through the whole time or was it just some random goof that made the inside visible?
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It looks like they just used a tarp to cover up the doors instead of something more permanent, so someone probably just knocked a corner out of the way and didn't notice. It happened a fair amount when Grand Avenue was starting to be built.
 

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