Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland

[Phroobar]

OC Register article from yesterday

>>“This attraction actually has a B story,” Walt Disney Imagineering’s Kevin Rafferty said. “First one ever that has a B story in addition to the A story. It’s very clear and it’s very fun.”

Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway trackless dark ride debuts March 4 at Disney’s Hollywood Studios in Florida and in Mickey’s Toontown at Disneyland in 2022.<<

Disney’s new Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway weaves 2 stories into 1 ride

Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway trackless dark ride debuts March 4 at Disney’s Hollywood Studios in Florida and in Mickey’s Toontown at Disneyland in 2022.

www.google.com

 

[ProjectXBlog]

"The thing was, I found out—and Walt agreed—that this was not a story-telling medium."

My point of view on all of these attractions is that they are a series of experiences. You aren’t telling a story in the Haunted Mansion any more than you are trying to tell a story in Pirates of the Caribbean. You’re showing some pirates in a lot of interesting situations, but you don’t really have a beginning or an ending. They’re a series of situations, not a story."

Both quotes by Marc Davis.

So I'm sure this B-story stuff will be SUPER effective.

i have nothing but respect for marc davis, but in the decades since the advent of WED it has been proven that you actually CAN tell a story with the limitations of a park attraction. indiana jones, alien encounter, ToT/guardians, mystic manor, etc all have mini structures that mirror the standard 3 acts we see in film and TV. it’s easy to poopoo away the idea of a “B story” in this ride but i am excited that they’re attempting something fresh with the actual storytelling of a ride as opposed to solely relying on technological innovation as a sales pitch

 

[socalifornian]

So does that mean that the Mickey ride in Disneyland will not be delayed after all?

That answer’s above my pay grade but OCR doesn’t seem to think so

 

[Rich Brownn]

"The thing was, I found out—and Walt agreed—that this was not a story-telling medium."

My point of view on all of these attractions is that they are a series of experiences. You aren’t telling a story in the Haunted Mansion any more than you are trying to tell a story in Pirates of the Caribbean. You’re showing some pirates in a lot of interesting situations, but you don’t really have a beginning or an ending. They’re a series of situations, not a story."

Both quotes by Marc Davis.

So I'm sure this B-story stuff will be SUPER effective.

Quite a few have beginnings and endings (Splash Mountain, Star Tours, Tower of Terror, and of course Rise of the Resistance to name a few)

 

[Ismael Flores]

But even so, it shouldn't be that hard to install the equipment and all that into the facility after it's been built, should it?

do we know how much of a clone it will be?
the internal idea for the project might but will the layout be the same? It will really depend on how much similarity between the building configuration will be to the one in Florida.
If the property here is big enough to duplicate the usable space in Florida then it can be a direct clone with identical set pieces. If the property here is not big enough to duplicate the space then WDI will have to work in adapting the story and show sets to fit a new ride configuration.

 

[TROR]

Quite a few have beginnings and endings (Splash Mountain, Star Tours, Tower of Terror, and of course Rise of the Resistance to name a few)

Splash Mountain is the only real exception as it simultaneously allows us to see Br'er Rabbit's adventure and experience it ourselves. Indiana Jones, however, is our adventure. Tower of Terror is our adventure. While there is a story being told, it is our story, not the story of the characters on the ride. That is a prominent distinction. If we're just watching someone else's story, why is it a theme park ride? That's what movies are for.

 

[Rich Brownn]

Splash Mountain is the only real exception as it simultaneously allows us to see Br'er Rabbit's adventure and experience it ourselves. Indiana Jones, however, is our adventure. Tower of Terror is our adventure. While there is a story being told, it is our story, not the story of the characters on the ride. That is a prominent distinction. If we're just watching someone else's story, why is it a theme park ride? That's what movies are for.

True. But I was replying to the comment that said rides weren't a story telling medium. While things like the Haunted Mansion is still our adventure, its not really a story. But the ones I pointed out basically are.

 

[mharrington]

So from looking at the Permit Status of this thing, it looks like there have not been any updates since February 19. Have they now stopped?

 

[socalifornian]

Finding new pics is a struggle

 

[DisneyEthan]

"Disneyland - BLDG 6205 - Temporary Power: 1200 amp temporary power with associated electrical." is this for MMRR? (found on the permits thread)

 

[JadyD]

So from looking at the Permit Status of this thing, it looks like there have not been any updates since February 19. Have they now stopped?

They did electrical work today per permit BLD2020-00830

Application Error

 

[JadyD]

So from looking at the Permit Status of this thing, it looks like there have not been any updates since February 19. Have they now stopped?
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[No Name]

"The thing was, I found out—and Walt agreed—that this was not a story-telling medium."

One of the dumbest quotes ever. Themed entertainment is absolutely a story-telling medium. In fact it’s arguably made stronger by the unique active nature (the rider is a part of the story) that’s not often, if ever, offered in books, movies, music, theater, etc. What the hell is Rise of the Resistance?

 

[GrizzlyAdams]

OC Register article from yesterday

>>“This attraction actually has a B story,” Walt Disney Imagineering’s Kevin Rafferty said. “First one ever that has a B story in addition to the A story. It’s very clear and it’s very fun.”

Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway trackless dark ride debuts March 4 at Disney’s Hollywood Studios in Florida and in Mickey’s Toontown at Disneyland in 2022.<<

Disney’s new Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway weaves 2 stories into 1 ride

Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway trackless dark ride debuts March 4 at Disney’s Hollywood Studios in Florida and in Mickey’s Toontown at Disneyland in 2022.

www.google.com

Why is Disneyland’s 2 years away? the land is cleared and it’s a duplicate ride. it should be next Spring.

 

[PiratesMansion]

One of the dumbest quotes ever. Themed entertainment is absolutely a story-telling medium. In fact it’s arguably made stronger by the unique active nature (the rider is a part of the story) that’s not often, if ever, offered in books, movies, music, theater, etc. What the hell is Rise of the Resistance?

Rise of the Resistance is by all accounts a remarkable ride that I have not ridden or watched a second of, so I cannot comment on that. I'm waiting for my first ride, which should be in July.

I tend to feel that any storytelling that matters on attractions tends to trend on a very basic, elemental level. I'm not convinced there's a ton of room for complexity or nuance in terms of actual plot, and or that such nuance necessarily enhances the experience. With most modern theme park attractions trending towards the short, I'm skeptical of their ability to develop satisfying A and B stories that involve any level of complexity. I'm open to being proven wrong, but I'm not convinced that there are any attractions with more "complex" plots where that actually makes the experience better other than creating more noise.

 

[mickEblu]

Rise of the Resistance is by all accounts a remarkable ride that I have not ridden or watched a second of, so I cannot comment on that. I'm waiting for my first ride, which should be in July.

I tend to feel that any storytelling that matters on attractions tends to trend on a very basic, elemental level. I'm not convinced there's a ton of room for complexity or nuance in terms of actual plot, and or that such nuance necessarily enhances the experience. With most modern theme park attractions trending towards the short, I'm skeptical of their ability to develop satisfying A and B stories that involve any level of complexity. I'm open to being proven wrong, but I'm not convinced that there are any attractions with more "complex" plots where that actually makes the experience better other than creating more noise.

I agree. I think it has since become more of a story telling medium and that attractions for the most part are worse off for it. I think Walt and those WED guys were focused on attractions that created amazing atmospheres with no linear stories and where guests could fill in the blanks with their imagination. The best examples being POTC and HM. I personally find the attractions with linear stories to be less repeatable and not as classic.

 

[RobWDW1971]

I tend to feel that any storytelling that matters on attractions tends to trend on a very basic, elemental level. I'm not convinced there's a ton of room for complexity or nuance in terms of actual plot, and or that such nuance necessarily enhances the experience. With most modern theme park attractions trending towards the short, I'm skeptical of their ability to develop satisfying A and B stories that involve any level of complexity. I'm open to being proven wrong, but I'm not convinced that there are any attractions with more "complex" plots where that actually makes the experience better other than creating more noise.

See: The American Adventure

 

[PiratesMansion]

See: The American Adventure

Ok, fair. But what about attractions that involve a moving vehicle?

 

[mharrington]

Why is Disneyland’s 2 years away? the land is cleared and it’s a duplicate ride. it should be next Spring.

You still have to build the structure to house the ride. As the concept art shows, the entrance is different and so is the queue.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Why is Disneyland’s 2 years away? the land is cleared and it’s a duplicate ride. it should be next Spring.

Still have to change the structural engineering to meet California's more stringent guidelines. Now it has to withstand earthquakes instead of hurricanes.