Miceage Update - Buh-bye Bug's Land?!?

[Disney Irish]

I going to call BS on their reporting. Sure, a casual guest who has never been to DLR or is an infrequent visitor might not get it, but I have personally never met a non-local visitor (and I know plenty) who doesn't get how FP works.

I agree FP is common in the amusement/theme park industry. All have their own variations but they are all basically the same thing, just with different rules. But really its just get a pass to get on the ride theoretically faster. So unless you have never been to a amusement/theme park in the past 20-30 years you know how FP works. And after a couple of tries you find out the local park's FP rules.

Just another MC hyperbole rant on Disney Management and their decisions.

 

[BrianLo]

You're right, of course. Duly amended.

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I think you'll wind up seeing something much more like this.

Either the show building for the family attraction flanks Animation or Carsland. The Restaurant and shops on the other side.

The entirety of the green-out is levelled and redeveloped into either an entirely new miniland or something complimentary to Hollywood Blvd. If they go unrelated miniland they will keep the facade to maintain a Hollywood street (and it will really just be a mostly pointless lead up to Frozen).

The blue depends on if they yield to the hotels and create a separate security berm for Harbour Blvd. OR a starbucks...

Either way... when the boundaries are redrawn like above it's pretty easy to see how ToT didn't really belong in Hollywood anymore.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think you'll wind up seeing something much more like this.

Either the show building for the family attraction flanks Animation or Carsland. The Restaurant and shops on the other side.

The entirety of the green-out is levelled and redeveloped into either an entirely new miniland or something complimentary to Hollywood Blvd. If they go unrelated miniland they will keep the facade to maintain a Hollywood street (and it will really just be a mostly pointless lead up to Frozen).

The blue depends on if they yield to the hotels and create a separate security berm for Harbour Blvd. OR a starbucks...

Either way... when the boundaries are redrawn like above it's pretty easy to see how ToT didn't really belong in Hollywood anymore.

Just thought of this since there was no mention of Frozen for D23 rumors, what if they decide to put the rumored Arendale area in Hollywood area redo. And then save the Great Mickey ride for the ToonTown area redo.

This would make the most sense given the two areas already have offerings for both those properties. ToonTown for Mickey and HW for Frozen (with the M&Gs and Olaf's play area). And with the size they can still push Marvel more into the HW area if they wanted more expansion space.

Anyways just a thought.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I always thought Tower was pushed too far back where they built it. It should have been where the Frozen theater is.

 

[nevol]

I really wish they would not go out of their ways to keep that hollywood blvd, hyperion, or the animation building. I understand wanting to hold onto the theater but working around the rest is exhaustive and unnecessary.

 

[nevol]

here we go
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Looking at this and the concept art for the New Disneyland Hotel again, man, I wish this were on the way. is there anybody who would miss espn zone, the movie theater, and rainforest cafe if it meant something as beautiful and iconic at the end of downtown disney as this? All of that retail could move into ground floor locations of the hotel grounds. The southern wing rooms could be victoriana and the northern wing rooms could be enclosed for star wars.

 

[Dead2009]

The sad thing is it's true. WDPR has zero plan and zero vision. They've been working on the Marvel expansion for nearly three years and it's STILL not finalized.

Yeah, I mean my god I need that in 2 months or less. If not, poor planning!

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Looking at this and the concept art for the New Disneyland Hotel again, man, I wish this were on the way. is there anybody who would miss espn zone, the movie theater, and rainforest cafe if it meant something as beautiful and iconic at the end of downtown disney as this? All of that retail could move into ground floor locations of the hotel grounds. The southern wing rooms could be victoriana and the northern wing rooms could be enclosed for star wars.

ESPN Zone Anaheim is the last outlet in the chain, and licensed to AEG, so it wouldn't be too much of a surprise if Disney shuttered it and extended the new hotel into that space.

It is odd though that the ESPN Zone concept didn't take off globally, especially considering that the cable network is one of Disney's most valuable assets. With 2 WDW locations The Rainforest Cafe, in contrast, seems to be doing well. Apparently Iger isn't as passionate about investing in Disney regional entertainment venues as Eisner was.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I never understood the appeal of the Rainforest Cafe. You're surrounded by (fake) animals while eating animals? Not quite as bizarre and offensive as the McDonald's in Animal Kingdom, but still pretty bad. It's a really tacky joint and looks totally out of place in Downtown Disney. It's always packed, though.

 

[nevol]

I never understood the appeal of the Rainforest Cafe. You're surrounded by (fake) animals while eating animals? Not quite as bizarre and offensive as the McDonald's in Animal Kingdom, but still pretty bad. It's a really tacky joint and looks totally out of place in Downtown Disney. It's always packed, though.

Hysterical because that's probably what general audiences say about disney parks. But I agree; it degrades the theme parks to have themed restaurants right outside. I like to keep my themed entertainment and all other entertainment separate.

Second thought and probably too ambitious but since they are rerouting the monorail anyway for dca expansion, and the monorail seems to run right into this new hotel plot, would be killer to see it extended back to the northern perimeter of the disneyland hotel as was originally planned, so that they can fully realize this previous hotel plan rather than all of the haphazard schizophrenic mayhem we have to deal with today and all of the subsequent site-by-site reactionary designs. If the eastern gateway doesn't pan out, then a parking lot extension south to that gateway would serve both mickey and friends/the new expansion and the hotel guests, actually making the monorail a necessity. Not going to hold my breath.

 

[NobodyElse]

Judging by some of the artwork that has been floating around for the WDW version of this concept, I could see them make this work with 50 to 75 rooms. With a separate lobby/check-in process and separate public spaces and a dining/bar option available only to Star Wars hotel guests.

It wouldn't (and shouldn't) be a place that overheated bloggers could PLOP! down in the lobby for hours every Sunday afternoon and nerd-out on the Star Wars swizzle sticks in their mocktail. It would need to be restricted to Star Wars hotel guests only.

I've stayed at some very high concept boutique hotels that work beautifully with 20 rooms or less, but Disney probably wouldn't do this with less than 50 rooms available. Maybe 75.

This is roughly the concept used for the Four Seasons within Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas.

 

[TP2000]

I agree FP is common in the amusement/theme park industry. All have their own variations but they are all basically the same thing, just with different rules. But really its just get a pass to get on the ride theoretically faster. So unless you have never been to a amusement/theme park in the past 20-30 years you know how FP works. And after a couple of tries you find out the local park's FP rules.

Just another MC hyperbole rant on Disney Management and their decisions.

Disney parks are the only ones who don't charge money for such a system. Every other theme park out there charges a separate fee to use their Flashpass/Expresspass/FasTrack system. The going rate seems to be about $20 to $40 per person per day at most big theme parks.

I've chatted with multiple people who don't use Fastpass because they assumed Disney was charging an arm and a leg for it. It's not explained well at all in the maps or the website, and the App doesn't even mention it.

 

[BrianLo]

The other thing I find interesting in the last few days is that more 'secrets' seem to be shaken out of the woodwork. There was so much potentially in line for this D23 that I really didn't expect to be caught completely off guard.

An MK E-ticket and another DCA attraction we've really never heard anything of are an interesting turn of events. I wonder what else could potentially shake out for Disneyland that we aren't expecting since so much is apparently happening for WDW.

 

[mickEblu]

I just noticed we re all still calling it the Captain Coaster. Hasn't it pretty much been confirmed it's going to be an Avengers Coaster?

 

[BrianLo]

I just noticed we re all still calling it the Captain Coaster. Hasn't it been pretty much been confirmed it's going to be an Avengers Coaster?

Mice Age still refers to it as such.

I take it that it's Cap's current renegade Avengers rather than Iron Man, Thor, Hulk. Or even the lineup from the start of Civil War, which still sidelines those three big players.

Kind of like where Captain America Civil War is still a Captain America movie... but it's also basically an Avengers movie.

The only reason I see them taking that route is to preserve a few big key players for some of their other theme park universe projects.

 

[nevol]

I just noticed we re all still calling it the Captain Coaster. Hasn't it been pretty much been confirmed it's going to be an Avengers Coaster?

Their pr stunts all point to avengers recently but until guardians opened, all signs pointed to captain on the webs and off.

 

[mickEblu]

Mice Age still refers to it as such.

I take it that it's Cap's current renegade Avengers rather than Iron Man, Thor, Hulk. Or even the lineup from the start of Civil War, which still sidelines those three big players.

Kind of like where Captain America Civil War is still a Captain America movie... but it's also basically an Avengers movie.

The only reason I see them taking that route is to preserve a few big key players for some of their other theme park universe projects.

Thanks for the explanation but I have no idea what you are talking about. lol. I need to brush up on those movies.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

When the Chew Chew Train is gone, what am I going to repeatedly ride between the months of September and late January?

 

[Disney Irish]

Disney parks are the only ones who don't charge money for such a system. Every other theme park out there charges a separate fee to use their Flashpass/Expresspass/FasTrack system. The going rate seems to be about $20 to $40 per person per day at most big theme parks.

I've chatted with multiple people who don't use Fastpass because they assumed Disney was charging an arm and a leg for it. It's not explained well at all in the maps or the website, and the App doesn't even mention it.

While this may be true from a cost perspective, I've never met anyone that didn't know what a FP system was. Its an easy asked/answered question with regards to cost of the system. And with MaxPass that is about to change, so now Disney will have tiered FP just like other parks. Disney will just still offer the free one, for now.

 

[Disney Irish]

When the Chew Chew Train is gone, what am I going to repeatedly ride between the months of September and late January?

Snow White? Small World?