Media Event, Mine Train, PFTH Update

MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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Kiddy coaster isn't an inaccurate description though IMO. But that certainly by no stretch means it's in the same league as Barnstormer. It's going to be much longer and with immensely superior theming, plus actual show scenes. In thrills, it's a kiddy coaster. In show quality and length, it's something much more than Barnstormer. That being said, the coaster is clearly geared towards the younger crowd. That isn't a bad thing, there's tons of great rides that are geared towards kids. And it doesn't mean adults can't enjoy it either.

I'm a 24 year old guy and will definitely go on it. I fully expect i'll enjoy it too lol!
 
Sped2424

Sped2424

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MerlinTheGoat said:
Kiddy coaster isn't an inaccurate description though IMO. But that certainly by no stretch means it's in the same league as Barnstormer. It's going to be much longer and with immensely superior theming, plus actual show scenes. In thrills, it's a kiddy coaster. In show quality and length, it's something much more than Barnstormer. That being said, the coaster is clearly geared towards the younger crowd. That isn't a bad thing, there's tons of great rides that are geared towards kids. And it doesn't mean adults can't enjoy it either.

I'm a 24 year old guy and will definitely go on it. I fully expect i'll enjoy it too lol!
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I agree to many people are comparing this to the barnstormer which is a coaster that ends as soon as it begins, who knows maybe the actual swinging of the coaster itself will seriously add something that people will love!
 
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doctornick

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MerlinTheGoat said:
Kiddy coaster isn't an inaccurate description though IMO.
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Sure it is. That's a terrible description IMHO and used specifically to slam the project.

But that certainly by no stretch means it's in the same league as Barnstormer. It's going to be much longer and with immensely superior theming, plus actual show scenes. In thrills, it's a kiddy coaster.
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But that definition, then Pirates of the Carribbean is a "kiddy boat ride". I don't think that's accurate either.

That being said, the coaster is clearly geared towards the younger crowd.
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I don't think that's true really. Not unless you consider the bulk of Disney attractions to be "geared towards the younger crowd". I think it's far more accuare to saw that 7DMT and most Disney rides are "geared towards all ages" -- such that a young child, teenager, young adult or a senior would all enjoy. From descriptions and details of the 7DMT, it is certainly in line with the spirit of what Walt promoted when he developed rides that were for the whole family, that could be ridden and enjoyed by everyone together.
 
MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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I do consider a huge bulk of Disney rides to be geared towards the younger crowd first and foremost, but no they are not all that way (much of pre-ruined Epcot for instance). I never said being geared towards younger crowds meant they aren't good or that everyone can't enjoy them or that they were built so anyone CAN enjoy them (as per what Walt said about building a place where families could enjoy together). I again am 24 and have no qualms with riding any of them (without kids), nor does my now quite old mother. But I am easily able to tell when attractions were first and foremost geared towards a younger demographic as opposed to catering towards my own age or all ages.

Pirates has a far different tone and approach to who it appeals to and clearly wasn't designed for any one particular age group in mind. Kids can love it too sure, but unlike the Mine Train I would not say that was its first and foremost audience. It's rides like Pirates that truly don't seem to have been built with any specific age group in mind first and foremost. This much is obvious and it is not comparable to the age group Mine Train is catering towards first.

I'm not one of the people against the Mine Train. I'm actually quite happy about it and looking forward to it. But I have also tempered my expectations accurately and know what to expect from it. Although some people would indeed use the term "kiddy coaster" to bash the Mine Train, it is an accurate term. It is a coaster geared first and foremost towards kids. Not inaccurate at all, even if some people choose to use the term in a slamming way. I do not at all consider this ride in the same league as Barnstormer, it is clearly more than that and anyone telling you otherwise is a moron.

I think a lot of the people calling the Mine Train a kiddy coaster in a mocking sense are not trying to so much bash the ride itself on its own self contained merits, but to put things into perspective on the current state of affairs at Disney and WDW as a whole. Specifically how ridiculously long it's taking them to build something that just shouldn't be taking so much time. The ridiculous sum of money this is costing when things like this used to cost pennies in comparison. And how some people are hyping this up to be some kind of amazing new E Ticket (Lou Mongello for instance I believe) when it's just not anything of the sort. Not to mention that it's replacing attractions, not adding to anything (many people would argue not unfairly that the rides these new ones are replacing were better than the new ones).

I will agree that people using the term kiddy coaster to compare it to other poor and off the shelf coasters like Barnstormer are fools. It's more than that. I am using the term however for wholly different reasons and intentions. Not in a negative light. I've made it perfectly clear the despite tempering my expectations for what to expect with the ride, I like the idea and am looking forward to it.
 
Fox&Hound

Fox&Hound

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The ride video looks great with the shadows of the dwarves on the lift hill-I think it's going to be fun. It will flesh out Fantasy Land and really complete the area.

Any more aerial views of the project????
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Just to add my 2 cents to this, I think most of the rides at MK would be accurately described as "suitable for all ages". If you consider that the rides in Fantasyland are predominantly themed after cartoons I guess you could say at least the Fantasyland rides are geared towards the younger crowd. Mine Train is part of Fantasyland and so it's appropriate for it to have a low height restriction.

I agree with both @MerlinTheGoat and @doctornick that its pretty silly to compare Mine Train to Barnstormer. Not even in the same league as attractions. IMHO the better comparison will probably be BTMRR. I think Mine Train will have less of a thrill factor and will probably not move as fast, but it will make up for that in show scenes.
 
DManRightHere

DManRightHere

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How do so many people know whether this ride is going to be good or bad when it is not even open? I will keep my thoughts until it it open. Disney (and any other theme park) open their rides planning to be extremely popular, but it doens't always work that way.
 
MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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DManRightHere said:
How do so many people know whether this ride is going to be good or bad when it is not even open? I will keep my thoughts until it it open. Disney (and any other theme park) open their rides planning to be extremely popular, but it doens't always work that way.
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It's really not very difficult at all to gauge what this ride is going to be like though, even without riding it. I haven't seen anyone claim it's going to be bad, but those with proper perspective and reasonable expectations just realize this isn't some sort of amazing E Ticket or anything like Lou Mongello would have you believe. Expecting this ride to be a Big Thunder or Splash Mountain as some people are making it out to be is a one way trip to disappointment. It's going to be another nice addition to Magic Kingdom. But in the perspective of things, it's very important to remember what we lost both recently and long ago to get this ride. And to consider whether the replacement is even on par with what was there previously. And to also consider all the amazing original attractions being built at other Disney parks around the world that completely outclass any of the New Fantasyland attractions (most recently the awesome Mystic Manor at Hong Kong).

ctxak98 said:
what ride video???
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There were a couple of computer generated videos showing part of what the ride was going to be like. The most recent of the two-

 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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MerlinTheGoat said:
It's really not very difficult at all to gauge what this ride is going to be like though, even without riding it. I haven't seen anyone claim it's going to be bad, but those with proper perspective and reasonable expectations just realize this isn't some sort of amazing E Ticket or anything like Lou Mongello would have you believe. Expecting this ride to be a Big Thunder or Splash Mountain as some people are making it out to be is a one way trip to disappointment. It's going to be another nice addition to Magic Kingdom. But in the perspective of things, it's very important to remember what we lost both recently and long ago to get this ride. And to consider whether the replacement is even on par with what was there previously. And to also consider all the amazing original attractions being built at other Disney parks around the world that completely outclass any of the New Fantasyland attractions (most recently the awesome Mystic Manor at Hong Kong).


There were a couple of computer generated videos showing part of what the ride was going to be like. The most recent of the two-

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I know that I compared this to BTMRR. I dont think it will be better or even on par with BTMRR. I think it will probably be between BTMRR and Barnstormer. My opinion is it will be closer to the BTMRR side of that comparison than Barnstormer.

Here's my logic:
1) Barnstormer has virtually no theming. You go through the sign, but that's about it. Basically a generic kiddie coaster you could find at most amusement parks or boardwalks. The ride itself is a little over a minute long. It's for kids so not a large thrill factor.
2) BTMRR is about 7 minutes long. It has quality theming and a pretty good thrill factor (at least for MK). The ride moves fast and is a classic.

The Mine Coaster is going to be about 3.5 minutes long per the article in post 1. That's half as long as BTMRR but almost 3 times as long as Barnstormer. The theming and mountain design are yet to be fully known, but based on what has been built already, the rest of FLE and the art that has been released so far it appears the theming will be on par with BTMRR. The indoor show scene will be the wildcard. If it has high quality AAs the ride could have an edge over BTMRR in theming and show scenes. The new ride technology could make the ride unique or it could be a huge let down. That is definitely an unknown at this point.

Add all of this together and the ride will be considerably more than just a kiddie coaster like Barnstormer. It's too short and lacks the high level thrills to be a true E ticket so it won't be on par with BTMRR.
 
aladdin2007

aladdin2007

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Figured I would ask this here instead of starting a new thread since its about the same area......I thought with this expansion you would be able to cut through from mermaid to storybook circus. But so far its a closed dead end and traffic mess. Is that area still closed off because of the mine train construction but will open once all is done?
 
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Alexis

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For any of you who haven't read or seen this video:
http://www./2013/04/behind-the-wall...ith-high-tech-surprises-at-walt-disney-world/
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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aladdin2007 said:
Figured I would ask this here instead of starting a new thread since its about the same area......I thought with this expansion you would be able to cut through from mermaid to storybook circus. But so far its a closed dead end and traffic mess. Is that area still closed off because of the mine train construction but will open once all is done?
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There is a path there, but they close it off some times so that they can connect the mine ride site to the access road. I think they try to keep it open during the busier times.
 
MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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@GoofGoof

I don't disagree with anything you said except for the part where you mentioned the ride not being a true E Ticket due to the lack of thrills. The ride isn't going to be an E Ticket (as Lee has mentioned before, it's apparently a D and the animatronics aren't supposed to be anything really impressive apparently). But the lack of thrills isn't the reason it won't be one. There are plenty of true E Tickets that have little or no thrill factor at all. Pirates was and (to me) still is an E Ticket. And all the classic EPCOT Future World attractions definitely qualify as E Tickets (Spaceship Earth, Imagination 1.0, Horizons, World of Motion). And from what i've seen of Mystic Manor, that one absolutely qualifies as an E Ticket. You don't have to have thrills to be an E Ticket. The 7 Dwarfs Mine Train is going to fall short of E status for other reasons. It's almost certainly going to be gorgeous to look at, but so is the Little Mermaid facade and queue and neither is that one an E.
 
MOXOMUMD

MOXOMUMD

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Alexis said:
YES! Hopefully there will be some new and neat merchandise!
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I am an avid collector of SW/7D and would love some ride specific merchandise representing all the dwarfs. I realize most people can name Grumpy, Dopey and "those other guys". (Sleepy and Bashful my little dudes.)
 

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