Marty Sklar Steps Down

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Is it just me or are there a growing number of experts on this board with tunnel vision and self righteous attitudes. You know the type, fundamentalists with no concept of the word fun.

 

[Legacy]

Is it just me or are there a growing number of experts on this board with tunnel vision and self righteous attitudes. You know the type, fundamentalists with no concept of the word fun.

I wouldn't say it's a growing number... more like a vocal few.

And school isn't even out yet!... Geesh...

 

[Ghostbuster626]

The ride opened in 1989, and used existing AA's and a proven ride concept. Song of the South was not "banned" in 1989, in fact it was released to the public only 3 years earlier (and considering construction of SM would have begun in 1987, and planning a few years earlier....the timeline is rather consistant)

It was released to the public for two weeks in theaters and then was never heard from again. And S.E.A. what you said about Beastly Kingdom is very true. It is a necessary pillar to Animal Kingdom...without it the park feels unbalanced and not able to reach its potential.

 

[peter11435]

It is a necessary pillar to Animal Kingdom...without it the park feels unbalanced and not able to reach its potential.

If you had never heard of Beastly Kingdom you would not feel that way. People always want what they can't have, and never appreciate what they do.

And no matter what you may think, Marty Sklar was not the reason Beastly Kingdom was never built.

 

[lamarvenoy]

Too bad Beastly Kingdom was shown as part of the Animal Kingdom unvieling in the Disney Annual Report, Disney Magazine, and various "Making of.." books. As for what it would have been, what was revealed was that there would be an E-ticket about a dragon in a castle, a fantasia boat ride (although ive heard unicorn boat ride too), and a Labyrinth similar to the Alice in Wonderland maze in paris. Also by your logic Splash Mountain, Indiana Jones, and Star Tours were "too expensive to build".

I don't want to flame the fire but I can't help but back up Speck, he's right. BK didn't happen and we outside the circle may never know why. All we have to show of BK is some speculation, some drawing boards, and a fire breathing monument on a boatride no longer used. DOES it fit the theme of the park? I don't think so, COULD it-maybe. The point is AK was not such a winner out of the gate and any money spent was gonna be scrutinized very carefully. The dreamers and the money men are always kept apart because if you give the dreamers too much control....BANCRUPTCY. There is still room for expansion at AK and you never know what tommorrow will bring,but I doubt BK is ever gonna materialize.There are so many other "lands" in the park that could be improved before it is necessary for a totally new expensive area.I'd rather see the money spent at Epcot.

 

[lamarvenoy]

SM, IJ, and ST are all single rides and none of them were entire "lands". Apples to oranges. Millions to 10's of millions.

 

[peter11435]

SM, IJ, and ST are all single rides and none of them were entire "lands". Apples to oranges. Millions to 10's of millions.

Very true. Although its more like a hundred million to a couple hundred million.

 

[S.E.A.]

I don't want to flame the fire but I can't help but back up Speck, he's right. BK didn't happen and we outside the circle may never know why. All we have to show of BK is some speculation, some drawing boards, and a fire breathing monument on a boatride no longer used. DOES it fit the theme of the park? I don't think so

It's really easy to understand why BK was the one that got cut from the opening roster, it was a monumentaly expensive land that was not aesthetically too important for the park (it was Africa that was the be-all-end-all land for the park; Dinoland has already gotten massive downgrades and it helped that Disney had a movie about dinosaurs being made; Asia was much cheaper to make than BK that had a big roller coaster and required a plethora of AA's)

Does it fit with the theme park? YES. It was part of the original concept, of course it fits! In fact, the lack of Beastly Kingdom is the reason many people fail to see the difference between Disney's Animal Kingdom and your local zoo. It would have been the main element of the park that would have expressed its uniqueness.

People who have never heard of BK are the people who think of DAK as just an overblown zoo.

 

[Ghostbuster626]

SM, IJ, and ST are all single rides and none of them were entire "lands". Apples to oranges. Millions to 10's of millions.

Well Mickey's Toon Town in california is an entire land complete with major attraction (Cartoon spin) and that was built during that same era. Also im not sure but I believe that Hollywood (or is it sunset? I forget) Blvd. area at MGM was built when they built Tower of Terror and that would constitute as an entire land. The thing is Eisner spent most of the late 90s-early 00's building even more hotels (did we really need all-star??) and unnessary things like "Disney Wide World of Sports". Your telling me Eisner is able to spend millions on stuff like this but he cant spend the necessary millions to build Beastly Kingdom? Give me a break.

 

[peter11435]

The thing is Eisner spent most of the late 90s-early 00's building even more hotels (did we really need all-star??) and unnessary things like "Disney Wide World of Sports". Your telling me Eisner is able to spend millions on stuff like this but he cant spend the necessary millions to build Beastly Kingdom? Give me a break.

The All-Stars bring in millions of revenue for WDW so yes they were needed. The WWOS holds events that bring tens of thousands to the parks that may otherwise not be there. There is a huge difference between Disneyland's toontown and Beastly Kingdom.

 

[Tim G]

He just went up a few notches in my view.

Whatcha think, Corrus?

I predicted Marty would step down, although Disney management denies the relation to Lasseter's pending arrival. Even Marty himself predicted this...
And a whole lot of others will follow Marty...

And Sorry Ghostbuster, you really don't know anything about this...
There never has been a more loyal man in the whole company... and yes he opposed, like me (and most of Creative) to the Save Disney Campaign mayhem... for obvious reasons...

So, if you think Marty was so-so for the company, you're offending Marty, me and the whole Creative dept. and that hurts...
But somehow I can't blame you, you're just a victim of the media, and instigating shouting... and you have much to learn about Creative and the WDC...
Believe what you want, but I really should advise you, to stop offending people, who really meant something for all the parks, and the WDC.

They deserve better, much better, and instigating posts on forums, which only show lack of respect are not wanted nor needed...

 

[Tim G]

Is it just me or are there a growing number of experts on this board with tunnel vision and self righteous attitudes. You know the type, fundamentalists with no concept of the word fun.

You're so right!

 

[Tim G]

Well Mickey's Toon Town in california is an entire land complete with major attraction (Cartoon spin) and that was built during that same era. Also im not sure but I believe that Hollywood (or is it sunset? I forget) Blvd. area at MGM was built when they built Tower of Terror and that would constitute as an entire land. The thing is Eisner spent most of the late 90s-early 00's building even more hotels (did we really need all-star??) and unnessary things like "Disney Wide World of Sports". Your telling me Eisner is able to spend millions on stuff like this but he cant spend the necessary millions to build Beastly Kingdom? Give me a break.

Which again proofs you don't know what you're talking about...
Who the heck gives you the authority to decide what's to be build or not...
You're pushing it... Beastly Kingdom!!!
You were there??? Were you...
You were there when they canceled it...
And of course you know why they canceled it...
You were there when they decided to build the IN YOUR OPINION the unnessary "Disney Wide World of Sports".

From now on I'll raise a big B.S. Flag on your "unnessary" statements...

 

[Tim G]

The All-Stars bring in millions of revenue for WDW so yes they were needed. The WWOS holds events that bring tens of thousands to the parks that may otherwise not be there. There is a huge difference between Disneyland's toontown and Beastly Kingdom.

Let him
Peter... I feel sorry for him... He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about...

 

[S.E.A.]

Well Mickey's Toon Town in california is an entire land complete with major attraction (Cartoon spin) and that was built during that same era. Also im not sure but I believe that Hollywood (or is it sunset? I forget) Blvd. area at MGM was built when they built Tower of Terror and that would constitute as an entire land. The thing is Eisner spent most of the late 90s-early 00's building even more hotels (did we really need all-star??) and unnessary things like "Disney Wide World of Sports". Your telling me Eisner is able to spend millions on stuff like this but he cant spend the necessary millions to build Beastly Kingdom? Give me a break.

all those things are much more necessary than Beastlie Kingdomme.

Sunset Boulevard, while constitutes an entire land, has only one major attraction: The Tower Of Terror. That is absolutely necessary for the survival of the then lackluster Studios park.

Yes we really needed All-Star because most hotels in Disney property were too expensive and the resort was becoming increasingly popular.

as already explained, Wide World Of Sports is a huge "plus" for the resort

and a dark ride like Cartoon Spin does not equal a massive roller coaster like Dragon Tower.

 

[Tim G]

It is a necessary pillar to Animal Kingdom...without it the park feels unbalanced and not able to reach its potential.

And you know it all, you figured that out...

It needs a bit more than a calculator... and again YOU KNOW "that without it the park feels unbalanced and not able to reach its potential".

You must be joking...

You're talking from a guest's point of view and with a guest's mind...

Why do you keep disagreeing just to disagree...

Stop playing Mr. know-it-all, because you're NOT...

And certainly stop discussing for sake of discussing.

 

[S.E.A.]

And you know it all, you figured that out...

It needs a bit more than a calculator... and again YOU KNOW "that without it the park feels unbalanced and not able to reach its potential".

the park did feel that way without a kid friendly area that's as thematically lush as what could have been BK. But that position has since been filled by Dino-Rama. I personally would rather have had BK.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

and a dark ride like Cartoon Spin does not equal a massive roller coaster like Dragon Tower.

Very true, and the land has only 2 ride attractions (3 when it opened) - Cartoon Spin - A nice Darkride if I do say so myself but a darkride none the less, Gadget's Go-Coaster - a very tame coaster intended for children that lasts all of 50 seconds at most. Some nice themeing, but it leads up to nothing. Personally I find riding my bike would be more amusing. Anyway . . . The other attraction was the Jolley Trolley, which went in a Crop Circle-like pattern around Toontown lurching and clunking every inch of the way. It was taken out because it was a maitenance nightmare and rather uncomfortable. It also was unnecessary, as it took you across Toontown slower than you can crawl with nothing to see once you got where you were going, which wasn't very far anyway.

Something tells me Beastly Kingdom was a little more expansive than that.

Yensid "You're forgetting one very imprtant thing, mate . . . I'm Capitain Jack Sparrow ☺" tlaw1969

 

[Ghostbuster626]

And you know it all, you figured that out...

It needs a bit more than a calculator... and again YOU KNOW "that without it the park feels unbalanced and not able to reach its potential".

You must be joking...

You're talking from a guest's point of view and with a guest's mind...

Why do you keep disagreeing just to disagree...

Stop playing Mr. know-it-all, because you're NOT...

And certainly stop discussing for sake of discussing.

I dont know why your getting so angry about this. I am talking from a guests point of view with a guests mind..and guess what..thats what matters! You know why? because guests are the ones that spend the $$$ money..after awhile the guests are gonna stop coming if there isnt a great product and then no more money for the company . Im not trying to be mr. know it all and why cant we discuss for the sake of discussing? No one is straping you in a chair and forcing you to listen to the discussion.

Now concerning Beastly Kingdom all I know is that it was originally pushed back to phase two of AK because the animal expenses (facility, care, etc.) went over budget and then I was told by a legitimate Imagineer that Beastly Kingdom was cancelled by Strategic Planning because it was deemed an "unnecessary expense". I never said Marty Sklar is the reason Beastly Kingdom never happened I was just making a made up example to illustrate that he didnt pay attention and would fall asleep during important presentations.

 

[S.E.A.]

Now concerning Beastly Kingdom all I know is that it was originally pushed back to phase two of AK because the animal expenses (facility, care, etc.) went over budget and then I was told by a legitimate Imagineer that Beastly Kingdom was cancelled by Strategic Planning because it was deemed an "unnecessary expense".

Those "strategists" probably noticed DAK was becoming "the disney version of a zoo" rather than a theme park around the concept of animals and found it unnecessary to build a land so drastically different from the others when in truth it was an important component of the Animal Kingdom concept.