Marty Sklar Steps Down

[CaliSurfer182]

I say congratulations to Mr. Sklar for his contributions, hopefully his new job will only add to Disney's magic.

 

[CaliSurfer182]

If Roy Disney didnt launch the Save Disney campaign..Micheal Eisner would still be Chariman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company and we would NOT have John Lasseter Principal Creative Advisor of WDI and Animation, nor would we have Steve Jobs and Ed Catmull on board either. If Roy Disney didnt launch the Save Disney campaign Pixar would have gone its seperate ways from Disney and Disney would have continued down the path of becoming a souless company like the Wal-Mart and General Motors of today that couldnt give a damn about the company founders vision. As a result, we would also still have David Stainton in charge of animation poping out medoicre movie after mediocre movie and tons of cheap sequels to pixar films ruining the Toy Story and Finding Nemo franchises and damaging pixars name in the process. And lets not forget that we would still have the Strategic Planning Division still that killed Beastly Kingdom and Fire Mountain. FACT

Historical fact?....or your facts? Most of your information is severely lacking.

 

[peter11435]

If Roy Disney didnt launch the Save Disney campaign..Micheal Eisner would still be Chariman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company and we would NOT have John Lasseter Principal Creative Advisor of WDI and Animation, nor would we have Steve Jobs and Ed Catmull on board either. If Roy Disney didnt launch the Save Disney campaign Pixar would have gone its seperate ways from Disney and Disney would have continued down the path of becoming a souless company like the Wal-Mart and General Motors of today that couldnt give a damn about the company founders vision. As a result, we would also still have David Stainton in charge of animation poping out medoicre movie after mediocre movie and tons of cheap sequels to pixar films ruining the Toy Story and Finding Nemo franchises and damaging pixars name in the process. And lets not forget that we would still have the Strategic Planning Division that killed such projects as Beastly Kingdom and Fire Mountain. FACT.

That is all speculation. The fact is Eisners contract would have been up this year anyway. He would be leaving by the end of the year regardless of Roy's actions. Also I have heard from a variety of sources that Fire Mountain never actually existed except for in the minds of Disney fans and Jim Hill.

 

[Ghostbuster626]

That is all speculation. The fact is Eisners contract would have been up this year anyway. He would be leaving by the end of the year regardless of Roy's actions. Also I have heard from a variety of sources that Fire Mountain never actually existed except for in the minds of Disney fans and Jim Hill.

So if I deleted Fire Mountain from my statement you would loose half of your argument? hmm. Also its true Eisner would probably be leaving at the end of this year but did you really want that Thief in for another year? Also he would probably have kept all his CEO perks such use of the company jet and an office at the company and probably would have stayed on as a board member. (speculation of course, but scary food for thought). Other than that I dont see how my facts are "severly lacking". Steve Jobs said openly he refused to negotiate anything with Micheal Eisner.

 

[peter11435]

So if I deleted Fire Mountain from my statement you would loose half of your argument? hmm. Also its true Eisner would probably be leaving at the end of this year but did you really want that Thief in for another year? Also he would probably have kept all his CEO perks such use of the company jet and an office at the company and probably would have stayed on as a board member. (speculation of course, but scary food for thought). Other than that I dont see how my facts are "severly lacking". Steve Jobs said openly he refused to negotiate anything with Micheal Eisner.

Its not really that scary. Even after Roys actions Eisner is still being compensated by the WDC and will continue to do very well for many years. And before you go calling someone a thief you should either check your facts or provide some proof to support your claims.

 

[speck76]

If Roy Disney didnt launch the Save Disney campaign..Micheal Eisner would still be Chariman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company and we would NOT have John Lasseter Principal Creative Advisor of WDI and Animation, nor would we have Steve Jobs and Ed Catmull on board either. If Roy Disney didnt launch the Save Disney campaign Pixar would have gone its seperate ways from Disney and Disney would have continued down the path of becoming a souless company like the Wal-Mart and General Motors of today that couldnt give a damn about the company founders vision. As a result, we would also still have David Stainton in charge of animation poping out medoicre movie after mediocre movie and tons of cheap sequels to pixar films ruining the Toy Story and Finding Nemo franchises and damaging pixars name in the process. And lets not forget that we would still have the Strategic Planning Division that killed such projects as Beastly Kingdom. FACT.

again....you are 12, and do not understand the business world

 

[dxwwf3]

again....you are 12, and do not understand the business world

I'm 21 and I still don't fully understand the business world :lol:

 

[speck76]

I'm 21 and I still don't fully understand the business world :lol:

here is a good start

An designer can design something that is really cool, but way too expensive to build. If a company can not make money on something, no matter how cool it may be, they can not build it, as they would go out of business.

This brings another question....why is everyone so hard for Beastly Kingdom, when most people do not even know what it would have really been?

 

[dxwwf3]

An designer can design something that is really cool, but way too expensive to build. If a company can not make money on something, no matter how cool it may be, they can not build it, as they would go out of business.

Sounds like a good foundation :animwink:

 

[Ghostbuster626]

here is a good start

An designer can design something that is really cool, but way too expensive to build. If a company can not make money on something, no matter how cool it may be, they can not build it, as they would go out of business.

This brings another question....why is everyone so hard for Beastly Kingdom, when most people do not even know what it would have really been?

Too bad Beastly Kingdom was shown as part of the Animal Kingdom unvieling in the Disney Annual Report, Disney Magazine, and various "Making of.." books. As for what it would have been, what was revealed was that there would be an E-ticket about a dragon in a castle, a fantasia boat ride (although ive heard unicorn boat ride too), and a Labyrinth similar to the Alice in Wonderland maze in paris. Also by your logic Splash Mountain, Indiana Jones, and Star Tours were "too expensive to build".

 

[speck76]

Too bad Beastly Kingdom was shown as part of the Animal Kingdom unvieling in the Disney Annual Report, Disney Magazine, and various "Making of.." books. As for what it would have been, what was revealed was that there would be an E-ticket about a dragon in a castle, a fantasia boat ride (although ive heard unicorn boat ride too), and a Labyrinth similar to the Alice in Wonderland maze in paris. Also by your logic Splash Mountain, Indiana Jones, and Star Tours were "too expensive to build".

no......they were much cheaper than Beastly Kingdom.

Splash Mountain (original) re-used many AA's from from America Sings. When the most expensive items on a ride are "already paid for" the cost is significantly less.......once it was successful in CA, building it in FL had no risk behind it.....

Gearge Lucas and Star Wars/Indiana Jones were behind your other two examples...again, proven...popular concepts.

How does any of this relate to Beastly Kingdom?

 

[Tom]

Too bad Beastly Kingdom was shown as part of the Animal Kingdom unvieling in the Disney Annual Report, Disney Magazine, and various "Making of.." books. As for what it would have been, what was revealed was that there would be an E-ticket about a dragon in a castle, a fantasia boat ride (although ive heard unicorn boat ride too), and a Labyrinth similar to the Alice in Wonderland maze in paris. Also by your logic Splash Mountain, Indiana Jones, and Star Tours were "too expensive to build".

I know nothing about Beastly Kingdom, so I can't comment on that argument.

However, your interpretation of his logic is flawed. He said, and I summarize, that "...if the company cannot make money on the attraction...they don't do it...". Splash Mountain was tested in DL, attracting record crowds, and thus was obviously going to make money for WDW - thus justifying the cost to build it. Same for Indiana Jones (I predict you're referring to DL's) and Star Tours - all packed, all the time....justifying their existances.

 

[S.E.A.]

This brings another question....why is everyone so hard for Beastly Kingdom, when most people do not even know what it would have really been?

like ghostbuster said, people did know what it would have been, that's why they are so hard about it. it was just that good. it was DAK's Fantasyland. Sure it wasn't the DAK's main attraction (that honor goes to Africa). It was still a very very important component of the complete DAK experience: A Magic Kingdom with Animals. Africa was the Frontierland, the park's spirit if you may the way Americana was Disneyland's. Asia is the Adventureland. Dinoland U.S.A. is the Tomorrowland utilizing the possibilities of human ingeniuty, in this case for the use of discovering the animals of the past. Beastlie Kingdomme would have been the Fantasyland a rekindling of the childhood imagination and innocence. but instead we got shorthanded by receiveing Toontown Fair (Camp Minnie-Mickey) instead

 

[CaptainMichael]

like ghostbuster said, people did know what it would have been, that's why they are so hard about it. it was just that good. it was DAK's Fantasyland. Sure it wasn't the DAK's main attraction (that honor goes to Africa). It was still a very very important component of the complete DAK experience: A Magic Kingdom with Animals. Africa was the Frontierland, the park's spirit if you may the way Americana was Disneyland's. Asia is the Adventureland. Dinoland U.S.A. is the Tomorrowland utilizing the possibilities of human ingeniuty, in this case for the use of discovering the animals of the past. Beastlie Kingdomme would have been the Fantasyland a rekindling of the childhood imagination and innocence. but instead we got shorthanded by receiveing Toontown Fair (Camp Minnie-Mickey) instead

Very creative!

 

[speck76]

like ghostbuster said, people did know what it would have been, that's why they are so hard about it. it was just that good. it was DAK's Fantasyland. Sure it wasn't the DAK's main attraction (that honor goes to Africa). It was still a very very important component of the complete DAK experience: A Magic Kingdom with Animals. Africa was the Frontierland, the park's spirit if you may the way Americana was Disneyland's. Asia is the Adventureland. Dinoland U.S.A. is the Tomorrowland utilizing the possibilities of human ingeniuty, in this case for the use of discovering the animals of the past. Beastlie Kingdomme would have been the Fantasyland a rekindling of the childhood imagination and innocence. but instead we got shorthanded by receiveing Toontown Fair (Camp Minnie-Mickey) instead

Is it possible that people's dreams of what it could have been are much more extravagant that what it actually would have been?

 

[Ghostbuster626]

I know nothing about Beastly Kingdom, so I can't comment on that argument.

However, your interpretation of his logic is flawed. He said, and I summarize, that "...if the company cannot make money on the attraction...they don't do it...". Splash Mountain was tested in DL, attracting record crowds, and thus was obviously going to make money for WDW - thus justifying the cost to build it. Same for Indiana Jones (I predict you're referring to DL's) and Star Tours - all packed, all the time....justifying their existances.

Im not talking about walt disney world. Im talking about Disneyland! Splash Mountain was a risk because it was loosely based off of a baned movie that most of the general public never heard of.

 

[speck76]

Im not talking about walt disney world. Im talking about Disneyland! Splash Mountain was a risk because it was loosely based off of a baned movie that most of the general public never heard of.

The ride opened in 1989, and used existing AA's and a proven ride concept. Song of the South was not "banned" in 1989, in fact it was released to the public only 3 years earlier (and considering construction of SM would have begun in 1987, and planning a few years earlier....the timeline is rather consistant)

 

[Connor002]

Is it possible that people's dreams of what it could have been are much more extravagant that what it actually would have been?

Beastille Kingdomme will live on much greater in the imaginations of ourselves than it ever would have done in real life...

 

[CaliSurfer182]

Im not talking about walt disney world. Im talking about Disneyland! Splash Mountain was a risk because it was loosely based off of a baned movie that most of the general public never heard of.

When you say General public I am assuming you mean the 1-3 year olds that didn't meet the height requirement of the ride at opening? I mean honestly I would be more likely to believe there are less people that ride SM now that know nothing about SotS, then when the ride opened.

 

[S.E.A.]

Is it possible that people's dreams of what it could have been are much more extravagant that what it actually would have been?

sure, but you have to admit, it would still be pretty nice if they finally build it, be it not as great as its romanticized version.