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Manny Going to Phillies?
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SpongeScott
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I've heard a rumor of a Ramirez/Abreu trade. Abreu would want his $18 million option for 2008 guaranteed and the Red Sox aren't sure if it would be a good fit if they had two LH bats in the lineup together (Abreu and Ortiz). I'll look to see if I can find any more info.Nemo14 said:
EDIT: Here is what I could find. Consider the source at the bottom.
Philadelphia and Boston have engaged in serious talks about swapping Manny Ramirez for Bobby Abreu, the New York Post reports.
Like Ramirez, Abreu has the ability to block any deal, so even if the two teams could agree to something, the players may stand in the way. Abreu might at least he want his $16 million option for 2008 to be guaranteed as part of a trade. The Red Sox also might have some concern that Abreu, a left-handed hitter like David Ortiz, wouldn't fit as well as Ramirez into the lineup. Dec. 1 - 4:51 am et
Source: New York Post
WDWFREAK53
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If Manny leaves...who'll go into the Monster to relieve himself between plays?
Steamboat_Kevin
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:lol: Manny's Manny!WDWFREAK53 said:
Among the legion of Manny stories, one of my personal favorites always has been the time he was a rookie in Cleveland and asked beat writer Sheldon Ocker of the Akron Beacon-Journal to borrow some money.
It was in Kansas City, and Manny and pitcher Julian Taverez were talking about going shopping.
As Ocker related the story to GQ magazine last summer, "I walked past, and he said, 'Sheldon, can I ask you something?' I say, 'Yeah?' He says, 'Can you loan me $60,000?' I don't even really know Manny. He hasn't been on the team more than about a month. I said, 'Manny, what do you want $60,000 for?' He says, 'Well, Julian and I want to buy motorcycles.' I said, 'Manny, I don't have that on me.' And he said, 'How about $30,000?'"
- http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/sportsline/main8704479.shtml
SpongeScott
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Being willing and actually making the trade are probably miles apart.Uponastar said:
MerHearted
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TiggerBW said:
I thought it was Mike Piazza. :lookaroun
TiggerBW
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ha ha. NO, i still love Todd. but I read this article today and I'm very upset about it: (from comcast sportsnet)
Pratt's Time as a Phillie Likely Over
by John R. Finger
ComcastSportsNet.com
The Phillies most likely have cut ties with another veteran player on Thursday when the team announced that they had signed backup catcher Sal Fasano to a one-year, $425,000 deal, plus performance bonuses for the 2006 season.
With that move, Todd Pratt will likely have to find work elsewhere.
The 38-year-old Pratt, who has been the Phillies backup catcher since the middle of the 2001 season, as well as in 1992 through 1994 campaigns, hit .251 with seven homers and 23 RBIs in a career-high 175 at-bats last season. Pratt had a base salary of $750,000 last season.
A veteran of 13 big-league seasons, Pratt has a career batting average of .255 with 45 homers in 600 games.
At the same time, the Phillies did not want to bring Pratt back for the 2005 season. The team tried to sign veteran Sandy Alomar Jr. as the backup last winter, but the 39-year-old did not pass the team’s physical. That re-opened the door for Pratt, who went on to have one of his better seasons even though the offensive statistics don’t indicate it.
Pratt was the favorite backstop for No. 1 starter Jon Lieber and caught all of the big right-hander’s starts during the second half of the season. Other pitchers preferred working with Pratt rather than Mike Lieberthal, as well, and that seemed to reveal itself in the stellar ERA the Phillies’ pitchers had when Pratt was behind the plate.
Nevertheless, the Phillies have turned to Fasano, who at 34 is coming off his best offensive season. In 64 games for the Baltimore Orioles, Fasano smacked 11 homers and drove in 20 runs with a .250 batting average.
A veteran of eight Major League seasons, Fasano has played for the Royals (1996-99, 2001), Oakland Athletics (2000-01), Colorado Rockies (2001), Anaheim Angels (2002) and Orioles (2005). In 318 career games, Fasano has 41 homers with 115 RBIs and a .222 batting average.
Defensively, Fasano has a career .988 fielding percentage at catcher and has caught 31 percent of runners attempting to steal (53-173) in his career.
“Fasano has always been a quality receiver with a lot of energy,” assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said in a statement released by the team. “He will be a good complement to Mike Lieberthal. He’s a winning player which is the kind of character we are trying to bring to our big club.”
Ramirez for Abreu!?
Forget about all of the money and the no-trade clauses and the fact that one player reportedly says he wants to play for a team in the west. While we’re at it, lets toss logic out, too.
All that in mind, The New York Post reported that the Phillies and Red Sox are having “serious” talks about trading Bobby Abreu for Manny Ramirez.
According to sources familiar with both clubs, that’s not the case at all.
Reports are that the deal was proposed by the Red Sox but quickly shot down, because the Phillies would only deal Abreu – who has a no-trade clause – for top-flight pitcher.
Then there is the matter of the money. Ramirez is set to make $57 million over the next three years. Abreu has two years and $30 million left on his deal.
The only way this trade could happen is if the Red Sox throw in someone like Josh Beckett and pick up a big chunk of Ramirez’s salary. Then, both players would have to waive their no-trade clauses.
Plus, the Phillies would become much weaker defensively if they traded Abreu for Ramirez, never mind the fact that Ramirez has been known to disappear from time to time in his sometimes flaky, prima donna way.
The official word from the Phillies?
“We do not speculate on rumors,” Amaro said. “There are rumors out there everyday.”
Wait until everybody gets together for the winter meetings next week. Think of all the stories that come out then.
Pratt's Time as a Phillie Likely Over
by John R. Finger
ComcastSportsNet.com
The Phillies most likely have cut ties with another veteran player on Thursday when the team announced that they had signed backup catcher Sal Fasano to a one-year, $425,000 deal, plus performance bonuses for the 2006 season.
With that move, Todd Pratt will likely have to find work elsewhere.
The 38-year-old Pratt, who has been the Phillies backup catcher since the middle of the 2001 season, as well as in 1992 through 1994 campaigns, hit .251 with seven homers and 23 RBIs in a career-high 175 at-bats last season. Pratt had a base salary of $750,000 last season.
A veteran of 13 big-league seasons, Pratt has a career batting average of .255 with 45 homers in 600 games.
At the same time, the Phillies did not want to bring Pratt back for the 2005 season. The team tried to sign veteran Sandy Alomar Jr. as the backup last winter, but the 39-year-old did not pass the team’s physical. That re-opened the door for Pratt, who went on to have one of his better seasons even though the offensive statistics don’t indicate it.
Pratt was the favorite backstop for No. 1 starter Jon Lieber and caught all of the big right-hander’s starts during the second half of the season. Other pitchers preferred working with Pratt rather than Mike Lieberthal, as well, and that seemed to reveal itself in the stellar ERA the Phillies’ pitchers had when Pratt was behind the plate.
Nevertheless, the Phillies have turned to Fasano, who at 34 is coming off his best offensive season. In 64 games for the Baltimore Orioles, Fasano smacked 11 homers and drove in 20 runs with a .250 batting average.
A veteran of eight Major League seasons, Fasano has played for the Royals (1996-99, 2001), Oakland Athletics (2000-01), Colorado Rockies (2001), Anaheim Angels (2002) and Orioles (2005). In 318 career games, Fasano has 41 homers with 115 RBIs and a .222 batting average.
Defensively, Fasano has a career .988 fielding percentage at catcher and has caught 31 percent of runners attempting to steal (53-173) in his career.
“Fasano has always been a quality receiver with a lot of energy,” assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said in a statement released by the team. “He will be a good complement to Mike Lieberthal. He’s a winning player which is the kind of character we are trying to bring to our big club.”
Ramirez for Abreu!?
Forget about all of the money and the no-trade clauses and the fact that one player reportedly says he wants to play for a team in the west. While we’re at it, lets toss logic out, too.
All that in mind, The New York Post reported that the Phillies and Red Sox are having “serious” talks about trading Bobby Abreu for Manny Ramirez.
According to sources familiar with both clubs, that’s not the case at all.
Reports are that the deal was proposed by the Red Sox but quickly shot down, because the Phillies would only deal Abreu – who has a no-trade clause – for top-flight pitcher.
Then there is the matter of the money. Ramirez is set to make $57 million over the next three years. Abreu has two years and $30 million left on his deal.
The only way this trade could happen is if the Red Sox throw in someone like Josh Beckett and pick up a big chunk of Ramirez’s salary. Then, both players would have to waive their no-trade clauses.
Plus, the Phillies would become much weaker defensively if they traded Abreu for Ramirez, never mind the fact that Ramirez has been known to disappear from time to time in his sometimes flaky, prima donna way.
The official word from the Phillies?
“We do not speculate on rumors,” Amaro said. “There are rumors out there everyday.”
Wait until everybody gets together for the winter meetings next week. Think of all the stories that come out then.
MerHearted
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If Manny somehow comes to Philly, I give him two years before he's run out of town like every other "savior" has.
Lil'mermaid
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ntoeman
Member
I heard on ESPN that the Manny/Abreu trade is not likely at all. He did ask Boston to trade him, but fans won't be happy with that. I think they won't be happy if he does stay because he'll keep messin around until he gets traded, and he won't care cause he'll still get paid! I think it would be crazy if the Mets were to get him, they are snaggin people left and right and they STILL won't be any good this year!
Lil'mermaid
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Lil'mermaid
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Number_6 said:
You would think that, right? :lol: I dont get it either. Maybe they will turn around and trade one for another outfielder or pitcher.