Man Accused of Stealing Buzzy's Clothing from Disney World Arrested

[Kobe!!]

So to summarize 59 pages....


Fake news?

 

[gustaftp]

People who are saying Buzzy is safe at WDI:

*An Online poster who claims buzzy was moved as an excuse to search Spikes Phone.

*A Teenager who for whatever reason hung out with adult alleged thief, Spikes.

*A cult Disney figure with a history of documented trespassing who is currently raising funds to open their own independent theme attraction.

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People who say Buzzy is missing:
*Orange County Sheriff's Department

Your logical fallacy is: Poisoning The Well

 

[gustaftp]

You're attacking someone for pointing out that a POLICE STATEMENT is more reliable than anonymous rumormongers that openly refuse to provide any proof.

I'm not attacking the poster. I merely identified a textbook example of a logical fallacy presented by the poster, which you are now repeating.

A poisoned-well "argument" has the following form:

1. Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented by another. (e.g. "Before you listen to my opponent, may I remind you that he has been in jail")
2. Therefore, the claims made by person A will be false.

 

[larryz]

You're attacking someone for pointing out that a POLICE STATEMENT is more reliable than anonymous rumormongers that openly refuse to provide any proof.

Sadly, well documented cases of law enforcement officers going rogue should induce a healthy skepticism into everyone's analysis of vague wording in police reports. I wonder how many POLICE STATEMENTS that deputy filed...

 

[GhostlyGoofy]

Sadly, well documented cases of law enforcement officers going rogue should induce a healthy skepticism into everyone's analysis of vague wording in police reports. I wonder how many POLICE STATEMENTS that deputy filed...

It was filed by a Detective not a deputy. And I understand having a healthy skepticism of law enforcement and even the monolithic Disney Corporation.

But I am also going to question the reliability of people claiming Buzzy is at WDI, when they are friends of Spikes who also casually drop that they saw phone pics of Buzzy's stolen clothes or Random "insiders" who claim without any proof the animatronic is fine and was only moved to set up a 24 year old guy. (Who did a great job setting himself up thanks to leaving metadata and location tags on photos.)

If that "poisons the well" of this ridiculous animatronic robot boy theft saga...too bad.

 

[KeithVH]

I'm not attacking the poster. I merely identified a textbook example of a logical fallacy presented by the poster, which you are now repeating.

A poisoned-well "argument" has the following form:

1. Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented by another. (e.g. "Before you listen to my opponent, may I remind you that he has been in jail")
2. Therefore, the claims made by person A will be false.

At least someone knows what they're talking about. The sad fact is that most everyone proly does't even remember taking Philo101.

For those who need to know, see this list.

 

[flynnibus]

Using lies as justification to get warrants would likely just get the resulting evidence and things that are based on that thrown out in court. Let alone the consequences of filing false reports to start with.

 

[GhostlyGoofy]

Using lies as justification to get warrants would likely just get the resulting evidence and things that are based on that thrown out in court. Let alone the consequences of filing false reports to start with.

Not to mention it's a huge leap for Disney to move an animatronic just to be petty. If they were going to set up Spikes, why not "misplace" something more believable like a shrunken head prop from Jungle Cruise or more Wardrobe from another attraction since that seemed to be what Spikes was allegedly targeting. This is how we can tell hmmmmhmgmgmgm claims are unfounded and just meant to troll.

 

[larryz]

It's not a "logical fallacy." It's pointing out one that one source has credibility and the others do not.

So, police reports automatically carry unassailable credibility?

Lancaster deputy confesses to fabricating sniper shooting, authorities say

A Los Angeles Sheriff's Department deputy who was reported shot in Lancaster this week made up the incident, authorities announced during a rare Saturday night news conference.

abc7.com

 

[shernernum]

So, police reports automatically carry unassailable credibility?

Lancaster deputy confesses to fabricating sniper shooting, authorities say

A Los Angeles Sheriff's Department deputy who was reported shot in Lancaster this week made up the incident, authorities announced during a rare Saturday night news conference.

abc7.com

So, is your argument that, in most cases, anonymous Internet forum posters are more credible than police reports? Because that’s what’s at issue in the argument that I’m reading.

 

[gustaftp]

It's not a "logical fallacy." It's pointing out one that one source has credibility and the others do not.

Maybe you should've taken a journalism class rather than philosophy 101.

I demonstrated that it is a textbook example of a fallacy -- right down to the exact formula used to construct that sort of "argument" -- and you're trying to deny it -- that's rich!

Journalists don't tend to make arguments like that, because
1. Philosophy 101 is a required course for most liberal arts majors,
2. Fallacies are covered extensively in English classes.

 

[GhostlyGoofy]

It's a case by case scenario and I'd say in this instance a police report is more credible than anonymous insiders without any proof and people with a personal relationship to the suspect charged with a felony for grand theft.

 

[GhostlyGoofy]

I demonstrated that it is a textbook example of a fallacy -- right down to the exact form that the argument takes -- and you're trying to deny it... that's rich!

Journalists don't tend to make arguments like that, because
1. Philosophy 101 is a required course for most liberal arts majors,
2. Fallacies are covered extensively in English classes.

But it's weird how you have nothing to say about Hoot Gibson or anyone else just making claims without any evidence that Buzzy was never stolen. Or was removed as a set up to question and search spikes phone.

 

[gustaftp]

But it's weird how you have nothing to say about Hoot Gibson or anyone else just making claims without any evidence that Buzzy was never stolen. Or was removed as a set up to question and search spikes phone.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: maybe ya'll should wait for this to play out in a court of law

 

[GhostlyGoofy]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: maybe ya'll should wait for this to play out in a court of law

K.

 

[Goofyernmost]

So, police reports automatically carry unassailable credibility?

Lancaster deputy confesses to fabricating sniper shooting, authorities say

A Los Angeles Sheriff's Department deputy who was reported shot in Lancaster this week made up the incident, authorities announced during a rare Saturday night news conference.

abc7.com

What possible reason would the police have for not being honest about this situation. Saying that they cannot solve the crime is detrimental to their reputation not reacting to a false report. If they didn't have a report of a theft, they wouldn't even mention it. If anyone is lying in this it would be Disney and they don't have any reason to either. Maybe Buzzy just got tired of having people stealing his clothes and sitting in the dark and left on his own. On top of that who, or better yet, why does anyone other then Disney give a damn about it anyway. It's like having an imaginary friend that is made up of wires, hydraulic lines, plastic and metal nuts and bolts. Seriously, 60 pages on this is scary.

By the way, if Disney did have him, by now he is in a new skin and will be incorporated as an alien somewhere near Galaxy's Edge! The body is never going to be found with this one and unless there is a way to extract some DNA from a robot, it will never be found.

 

[larryz]

So, is your argument that, in most cases, anonymous Internet forum posters are more credible than police reports? Because that’s what’s at issue in the argument that I’m reading.

No. My argument is that you can't blindly accept police reports as factual, especially with vague wording -- like "we learned that..." -- about crimes.

As I've said, my jury is out until something more concrete than "somebody said something" becomes public.

 

[TJinSF]

I've read these forums from time to time for a while without registering. I pursue several niche interests to various depths, and wish I had more time to spend on all of them. Disney parks have long been one of them but I've never quite jumped in with others. Our goofy friend finally jolted me into a comment, after all this time.

There are few things more obnoxious or silly in my eyes than being an obviously deeply invested member of an arcane group, like these forums, and sneering at others about how irrational it is that they care about such-and-such. It's like some kind of dweeby power play. "Well, you weirdos are free to be so deeply invested in _________ if you have to be. Me, I've got bigger fish to fry." It has the air of a fifth grader caught by the "cool kids" among the nerds and desperately justifying himself.

Well, I've got news. We're all mad here, as the Cheshire Cat says, at least a bit. No points for being above it all, especially not after dozens of comments in this thread you profess to care about so little. Who are you trying to impress, and who do you think you’re fooling? It's not working. Stop wasting our time.

 

[MotherOfBirds]

I've read these forums from time to time for a while without registering. I pursue several niche interests to various depths, and wish I had more time to spend on all of them. Disney parks have long been one of them but I've never quite jumped in with others. Our goofy friend finally jolted me into a comment, after all this time.

There are few things more obnoxious or silly in my eyes than being an obviously deeply invested member of an arcane group, like these forums, and sneering at others about how irrational it is that they care about such-and-such. It's like some kind of dweeby power play. "Well, you weirdos are free to be so deeply invested in _________ if you have to be. Me, I've got bigger fish to fry." It has the air of a fifth grader caught by the "cool kids" among the nerds and desperately justifying himself.

Well, I've got news. We're all mad here, as the Cheshire Cat says, at least a bit. No points for being above it all, especially not after dozens of comments in this thread you profess to care about so little. Who are you trying to impress, and who do you think you’re fooling? It's not working. Stop wasting our time.

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Bless you for trying, but he's ignored all our previous attempts.

Is this within Mom's jurisdiction or do we all just have to smash that ignore button?

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

Basically just read about twenty pages of this thread and you’ve read the whole thing. It’s a cycle