Major 2015 Pirates of the Caribbean Refurbishment Watch/Rumor.

tirian

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Rule #2... Ignore rule #1! Why? Because a fantasy world is nothing if not made up. It can be made up originally or it can be made up at any point in it's existence. Yes, it did have an original reasoning (made up as they went along), but, then it changed. The cool thing is that it is allowed in a fantasy. There are no restrictions in fantasy.

We're not saying it isn't made up; we're saying it has to follow an internal logic to be believable.

I'm glad you know better than...
Walt Disney
JRR Tolkien
CS Lewis
Lewis Carroll
JK Rowling
Hayao Miyazaki
Jules Verne
L. Frank Baum
Robert Louis Stevenson
Washington Irving
PL Travers
Jim Henson
etc...
 

lazyboy97o

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Rule #2... Ignore rule #1! Why? Because a fantasy world is nothing if not made up. It can be made up originally or it can be made up at any point in it's existence. Yes, it did have an original reasoning (made up as they went along), but, then it changed. The cool thing is that it is allowed in a fantasy. There are no restrictions in fantasy.
And that's why every one is a great fiction writer.
 

HMF

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We're not saying it isn't made up; we're saying it has to follow an internal logic to be believable.

I'm glad you know better than...
Walt Disney
JRR Tolkien
CS Lewis
Lewis Carroll
JK Rowling
Hayao Miyazaki
Jules Verne
L. Frank Baum
Robert Louis Stevenson
Washington Irving
PL Travers
Jim Henson
etc...
Walt was a believer in the "Plausible Impossible" which means a fictional world has to have believable internal logic in other words a fantasy world cannot just explain away inconsistencies on the basis of it being a fantasy world. It must have an internal logic. There is no logical explanation given in the ride in it's current form why the mayor would risk his own life and the welfare of the town he oversees to hide a pirate from other pirates.
 
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zakattack99

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In the Parks
No
We're not saying it isn't made up; we're saying it has to follow an internal logic to be believable.

I'm glad you know better than...
Walt Disney
JRR Tolkien
CS Lewis
Lewis Carroll
JK Rowling
Hayao Miyazaki
Jules Verne
L. Frank Baum
Robert Louis Stevenson
Washington Irving
PL Travers
Jim Henson
etc...


Don't forget the Gorges!

RR Martin- Game of Thrones
George Lucas... ok not the strongest arument... but hey he laid the groundwork at least!
 

Goofyernmost

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Walt was a believer in the "Plausible Impossible" which means a fictional world has to have believable internal logic in other words a fantasy world cannot just explain away inconsistencies on the basis of it being a fantasy world. It must have an internal logic. There is no logical explanation given in the ride in it's current form why the mayor would risk his own life and the welfare of the town he oversees to hide a pirate from other pirates.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. They've been dunking that guy in the well since 1973 and he hasn't drowned yet. Beside, since it's fantasy anyway, lets assume that Capt. Jack is going to share a large portion of the treasure with the Mayor. He wouldn't be the first corrupt politician to ever cross our path. Course, Jack will never really share with him, but, he doesn't know that... yet! Oh, and by the way, the Mayors wife has a crush on Capt. Jack and that is why she is telling the mayor to be quiet. At the very least she hopes he does drown and then she can run off with Jack and be a rich woman. Of course, Jack would never do that, but, she doesn't know that... yet!

There it all makes perfect sense now. :joyfull:
 

The Duck

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I wouldn't worry about it too much. They've been dunking that guy in the well since 1973 and he hasn't drowned yet. Beside, since it's fantasy anyway, lets assume that Capt. Jack is going to share a large portion of the treasure with the Mayor. He wouldn't be the first corrupt politician to ever cross our path. Course, Jack will never really share with him, but, he doesn't know that... yet! Oh, and by the way, the Mayors wife has a crush on Capt. Jack and that is why she is telling the mayor to be quiet. At the very least she hopes he does drown and then she can run off with Jack and be a rich woman. Of course, Jack would never do that, but, she doesn't know that... yet!

There it all makes perfect sense now. :joyfull:
Somehow, I expect to see this subplot in POTC 5.
 

HMF

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I forgot about RR Martin and purposely left out Lucas. ;) He's a good example of someone who couldn't follow internal logic and needed other people to fix it. :D
The Expanded Universe explained a lot of the inconsistencies but since Disney has declared it non-canon now they are much more apparent.
 

Admiral01

Premium Member
Same here, it was wonderful. :)

After riding both the Paris and California versions within the last 2 months, I wish they'd just tear down the WDW ride and build something better. Especially if it's that broken and worn out.

I've never ridden in Paris, but have in California and Japan. Even the relatively short Tokyo Disneyland version is vastly superior to that "thing" called POTC at WDW.

The WDW version really sticks out as the bandaid solution that it was 41 years ago, and it's lack of upkeep just pushes it farther into my dislike category.
 
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tirian

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Nah, she's already having an affair. ;)

I wouldn't worry about it too much. They've been dunking that guy in the well since 1973 and he hasn't drowned yet. Beside, since it's fantasy anyway, lets assume that Capt. Jack is going to share a large portion of the treasure with the Mayor. He wouldn't be the first corrupt politician to ever cross our path. Course, Jack will never really share with him, but, he doesn't know that... yet! Oh, and by the way, the Mayors wife has a crush on Capt. Jack and that is why she is telling the mayor to be quiet. At the very least she hopes he does drown and then she can run off with Jack and be a rich woman. Of course, Jack would never do that, but, she doesn't know that... yet!

There it all makes perfect sense now. :joyfull:
 

flyerjab

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We're not saying it isn't made up; we're saying it has to follow an internal logic to be believable.

I'm glad you know better than...
Walt Disney
JRR Tolkien
CS Lewis
Lewis Carroll
JK Rowling
Hayao Miyazaki
Jules Verne
L. Frank Baum
Robert Louis Stevenson
Washington Irving
PL Travers
Jim Henson
etc...

Frank Herbert. Had to add him.
 

Slowjack

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I beg to differ. It is exactly what suspension of disbelief is all about. And, as an example, your entire second paragraph is massive suspension of disbelief. Does it occur to anyone but me that the whole idea of even having a conversation about a fictional point, in a fictional theme park ride, with a fictional setting in a fictional story is just a little strange? :joyfull: In other words, fiction is fiction. It can be whatever the story tellers want it to be. We can get all "logical" about it or let ourselves become involved in the story and not the detail.
Just for the record, "suspension of disbelief" originally meant that if you were caught up in a fictional presentation you would come to accept it as real on some level even if you consciously knew it wasn't. As when you get absorbed in a thriller and you become really worried for the protagonist even though you know the film isn't real. You seem to suggest that fiction doesn't need to follow rules, but it does. Suspension of disbelief isn't something we as readers or viewers are required to adopt to help writers and other creative types, it's something they earn through their craft, by creating characters and situations that feel real to us. The truth is that fiction often has more stringent rules than non-fiction. In Great Expectations, young Pip has lost several siblings to disease. Dickens was actually inspired by seeing a graveyard with more siblings of one family that had all died young. He cut the number down for his character because he knew that readers wouldn't accept the larger number in fiction, although they would readily accept it as the truth for the real family.

(None of this directly bears on Jack Sparrow in POTC. I'm stayin' out of that one. :))
 

FigmentJedi

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The Expanded Universe explained a lot of the inconsistencies but since Disney has declared it non-canon now they are much more apparent.
That just means they're gonna explain 'em again. Heck, Clone Wars and Rebels have already done stuff expanding on stuff in the movies (Order 66, who was Sifo-Dyas, Qui-Gon's whole force ghost thing, how the Death Star laser works, etcetera)
 

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