Major 2015 Pirates of the Caribbean Refurbishment Watch/Rumor.

TheGhostWithTheMost

TheGhostWithTheMost

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wdisney9000 said:
think some parents so desperately want their kids to have a good vacation and/or fall in love with WDW that they force the magic upon them so hard without realizing that it may backfire or just leave the child confused on what to make of it all. You cant fear that your child will not embrace it and in return bombard with them suggestions of "look how cool it is". It can only create an unnatural outcome.
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Agreed. People spend so much money to vacation at WDW that they almost have to convince themselves and others that it is a better experience than it actually is.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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wdisney9000 said:
I think some parents so desperately want their kids to have a good vacation and/or fall in love with WDW that they force the magic upon them so hard without realizing that it may backfire or just leave the child confused on what to make of it all. You cant fear that your child will not embrace it and in return bombard with them suggestions of "look how cool it is". It can only create an unnatural outcome.

I was concerned my wife would never grow as fond of WDW as I was when we took our first trip together years ago. As much as I wanted to point out things she was missing I knew the best option was to let her experience it in her own way. Lucky for me, she got hooked, not so lucky for my wallet, as we both got hooked on deluxe resorts. lol
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Here's the deal with kids. They don't see or necessarily even know what to expect if not told. Something that we, as adults, don't even give a second notice too, can have them mesmerized. So you are correct, kids will come to their own conclusions about whether or not they like something.

Here's the deal with parents. Especially parents that love Disney. They desperately want to have their kids love it as much as they do, so they will pre-sell it and then when things don't go as planned have to backtrack on what they said and cover it over so it didn't sound like they were just BSing the kid. It's all very innocent and well intentioned and a natural way that parents usually act. No one has done anything wrong, really (other than Disney for letting their fans down) Parents should be able to tell their children what they love and want them to feel the same way. It's an important form of bonding. They should also do whatever they can to not jade the young mind by overreacting negatively to something that disappoints them. That's not for everything in life, but, it certainly does apply to a theme park.
 
Victor Kelly

Victor Kelly

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wdisney9000 said:
I think some parents so desperately want their kids to have a good vacation and/or fall in love with WDW that they force the magic upon them so hard without realizing that it may backfire or just leave the child confused on what to make of it all. You cant fear that your child will not embrace it and in return bombard with them suggestions of "look how cool it is". It can only create an unnatural outcome.

I was concerned my wife would never grow as fond of WDW as I was when we took our first trip together years ago. As much as I wanted to point out things she was missing I knew the best option was to let her experience it in her own way. Lucky for me, she got hooked, not so lucky for my wallet, as we both got hooked on deluxe resorts. lol
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I was the same way for our honeymoon which was her first trip. Now not only is she a Disney maniac, but a theme park commando as well. We went to a Deluxe for breakfast. The Beach club is now a favorite just for the atmosphere, and the food was great. And it helps it is only a short walk to EPCOT.
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

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Victor Kelly said:
I was the same way for our honeymoon which was her first trip. Now not only is she a Disney maniac, but a theme park commando as well. We went to a Deluxe for breakfast. The Beach club is now a favorite just for the atmosphere, and the food was great. And it helps it is only a short walk to EPCOT.
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Ya, I remember our first few trips I had to navigate us through the parks. Now its the lovely @Mrs.W9000 who decides which way we go next. Epcot resorts are definitely our favorites as well. Its nice rotating between BW, BC, and YC. Its also nice that ESPN Zone is open late because Im always hungry after we get back and I dont have to worry about finding food.
 
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Mike S

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Goofyernmost said:
Here's the deal with kids. They don't see or necessarily even know what to expect if not told. Something that we, as adults, don't even give a second notice too, can have them mesmerized. So you are correct, kids will come to their own conclusions about whether or not they like something.

Here's the deal with parents. Especially parents that love Disney. They desperately want to have their kids love it as much as they do, so they will pre-sell it and then when things don't go as planned have to backtrack on what they said and cover it over so it didn't sound like they were just BSing the kid. It's all very innocent and well intentioned and a natural way that parents usually act. No one has done anything wrong, really (other than Disney for letting their fans down) Parents should be able to tell their children what they love and want them to feel the same way. It's an important form of bonding. They should also do whatever they can to not jade the young mind by overreacting negatively to something that disappoints them. That's not for everything in life, but, it certainly does apply to a theme park.
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By all means parents should be able to pre-sell Disney to their kids if they've never been and the parents have. But should they sell it loudly while pointing everything out on a ride to the annoyance of other guests? I could see people hyping a ride while waiting in the queue and then asking "how did you like it?" at unload, but loudly on the ride? No, that would just be really annoying like what @wdisney9000 had to go through.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Mike S said:
By all means parents should be able to pre-sell Disney to their kids if they've never been and the parents have. But should they sell it loudly while pointing everything out on a ride to the annoyance of other guests? I could see people hyping a ride while in the queue and then asking "how did you like it?" at unload, but loudly on the ride? No, that would just be really annoying.
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I can agree with that, but, that isn't what I read as the center of the discussion. It was more the "apologist"** aspect of the parents defending Disney when I don't think it had even the slightest connection to that. Also people talking to their children on a dark ride is hardly anything new nor have I ever heard any complaints about it unless someone was loudly following/reciting the script. I can understand them explaining the things to their child, but, I didn't even get the idea through the post that there was a problem with loud speaking, just that they were speaking and coming up with excuses to take the blame away from Disney.
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

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Goofyernmost said:
I can agree with that, but, that isn't what I read as the center of the discussion. It was more the "apologist"** aspect of the parents defending Disney when I don't think it had even the slightest connection to that. Also people talking to their children on a dark ride is hardly anything new nor have I ever heard any complaints about it unless someone was loudly following/reciting the script. I can understand them explaining the things to their child, but, I didn't even get the idea through the post that there was a problem with loud speaking, just that they were speaking and coming up with excuses to take the blame away from Disney.
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I tried to emphasize how they were annoying due to how loud they were throughout the entire ride. They were not talking softly. They were explaining every scene in a very excited high pitched voice in an effort to make the child enjoy it more. The apologist attitude surfaced at the end where the mom felt the need to explain to the kid about people complaining, when in fact NOBODY on the boat said one word about anything let alone complained. Why would you tell a very young child something like that? And then she complained about people complaining on the ramp up to the gift shop. Again, let me remind you that nobody complained. Just her.

I can tell the difference between a parent who is excited for their child to experience the ride, and a parent who is blatantly attempting to make up the childs mind for them. I assure you, it was the latter in this case
 
note2001

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It would be nice if they'd put some improve pirates out in front of the ride when it's closed (not referring to the stage show) to walk about and interact with folks.
 
The Duck

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Sped2424 said:
Does anyone have video of pictures of what that looked like? I can't find it anywhere, only disneylands skull shows up.
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The WDW talking skull was mounted directly on the rock wall without the cloth back drop that the DLR skull has. It also had crossed bones instead of crossed swords and a bandana but no hat.
One of the biggest differences was that he had eyes staring at you from his sockets but at one time, an eye patch was used to cover one of them. The DLR skull has the voice of veteral Imagineer, X. Atencio while the WDW skull had a generic "Pirate" voice.
A major difference is that the WDW skull was mounted on the left side right before the drop while the DLR skull is directly overhead. My guess is that he was this way to provide an element of surprise. While most on the boat were looking at the shipwreck skeleton on the right, they would suddenly hear the skull on the left causing a bit of a surprise for first time riders and scaring the **** out of toddlers.
Here's the only video evidence that I can find of the original WDW skull. The video is extremely dark but you can barely catch a glimpse at about the 2:20 mark.
 
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BoarderPhreak

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Just found out who the contractor for this project will be...

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