Main Street U.S.A. hub redevelopment at the Magic Kingdom

Ignohippo

Well-Known Member
According to the plans....he really isn't fat off.
Wooden fence...planters...some signage...
A continuation of Main St., or a DLP arcade, it ain't.


Hmmm. I hate to beat a dead horse, but here's just another example of TDO stepping over dollars to pick up dimes.

In this instance, they'll be re-routing thousands of people frequently down a bypass (bypassing the shops on Main Street completely) with little or no opportunity for merch or food sales.

It cracks me up how they'll spend billions on a program to take people's info to learn their spending habits (in order to squeeze every dime out of them) but will then refuse to spend a few million to create a proper retail corridor to give backside access to the Main Street shops.

It infuriates me when TDO comes off as greedy and wanting every last dime from their guests (raising ticket prices frequently, MM+), but as a fan of WDW, I want the parks to make as much money as they can through normal and non-intrusive means. It is frustrating to me to see them leaving this much money on the table for no good reason.

When you really look at it, they probably could have paid for the upgraded retail corridor in only a few months of sales. Heck, they probably would have paid for it on just the APholders who would go and visit the shops just to see the new corridor. It's just silly.
 

Tim Lohr

Well-Known Member
Hub in the future:

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You know the more I look at it, the more it really does start to look like Tokyo Disneyland's hub:

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Which is a shame because I thought TDL's hub was much too sprawling and uninteresting. TDL seems to be the best at handling crowds of all the castle parks worldwide, but that comes at a major loss of intimacy and sense of place that make Magic Kingdoms and Disneylands such a pleasant experience. A "park," if you will.

The new WDW hub does look a lot like TDL's but it much smaller in relation to the castle, and I noticed that TDL has trees lining the outer ring of their hub, if they duplicate that in WDW it may keep the intimate "park" feeling to it
 

kap91

Well-Known Member
Just throwing this out there.... Why doesn't Disneyland need new walkways and a hub replacement? Isn't Disneyland

I.E. Disneyland! Not nearly as big but has a quarter more attractions and it handles crowds pretty well considering how small it is. If MK the kept tortuga tavern, diamond horseshoe, keel boats, swan boats, explorer canoes, skyway, and the freakin always closed noodle station open as well as open a major attraction every 7 years MK would be able to engulf the crowds no problem.

Disneyland certainly has more attractions, and I do wish that we had that many (though due to aesthetic differences between the parks, and the fact we have four parks, I doubt we'll ever see that number). And there's no doubt that adding attractions, and in particular opening up the restaurants that are currently closed most of the time, would help - but its not going to magically solve the problem. Solving it entirely through new attractions would need to see at least a doubling of the current offerings. And if you think that if WDW did that (especially rapidly as most would suggest) and attendance wouldn't nearly double I think your mistaken. (Incidentally Tortuga Tavern, Diamond Horseshoe, and Noodle Station have been open a lot more than usual in the past year with Tortuga being open nearly all the time.)

I would also add that a major new attraction every 7 years sounds reasonable. Consensus would say that the last major addition to MK was Splash Mountain - which didn't involve the closing of other attractions. By this logic then the MK is only short two major additions in 96, and 03. This was the end of the Eisner era, its not surprising. Additionally the entirety of AK was being built in that time - resources devoted elsewhere. The next year following that pattern would be 2010 - FLE arrived in 2012 and 2014. 2 years late. Yes some would argue that this does not really constitute an expansion (because 20K used to sit there 2 decades ago) or a major addition (because the two rides aren't "E-Tickets"). I can see that logic but considering that area of the park was doing nothing for 20 years (half the life of the park), forgive me for counting it. The capacity of all the new walking areas, queues, rides, attractions, and restaurant, are at least double or triple whatever the capacity was for 20K.

My most important point: If you've been to Disneyland anytime after 12:00PM its clear that it does need more and wider paths (especially in tomorrowland, adventureland, and New Orleans square, a bigger hub (although their hub packs in substantially more standing room than our current design), as well as bigger bathrooms. Attendance continues to go up there and its getting squeezed. Granted - keeping the pathways small adds to the charm, but it can be a nightmare trying to get where you want to go -- especially in the evening, with nearly every path becoming one way and traffic slowing to a crawl. I was trapped near the matterhorn for about 30 minutes before fireworks because essentially every path leading out of the area was closed either for safety or for crowd control. The reason Disneyland has not expanded its pathways (recently) is there is just essentially no way to do it without major construction work throughout the park that would have to see the rebuilding of most everything a couple feet back from where it currently exists now. And Disneyland is getting a Main Street bypass as well, for the exact same reasons. At the MK, expanding the hub is a simple as bringing in a bit more dirt and pouring the concrete. It might happen one day, but it would be a mammoth undertaking and I'm not very sure its feasible. Their best strategy is to draw people to DCA and keep attendance moderated with a slew of blackout dates on tickets and passes for all but the most expensive of passes.
 

Tim Lohr

Well-Known Member
There are two designated, gated FP+ areas either side of Main Street. These are the areas above the current water to be covered with artificial grass. Logic would say if they're going to all this trouble it should be an area for anyone since the company openly admits they have a traffic problem. But this is FP+.

In brighter news it appears the east diversion should have a connecting guest corridor to Center Street East.

So it is FP+ and not something you buy a sundae for and use you magic band to enter? good news about Center Street though
 

rioriz

Well-Known Member
Hmm so after hearing the Visionary Speak I am gonna put this in a mild optimistic range. To me it all depended on when it will be used and as only overflow and occupancy, I have zero problem if it is not fleshed out. As always it depends on what the final project looks like
 

The Duck

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I think the 'FP minus' special areas included in the plan DO tie it directly to revenue. I'm guessing it's part of the NGE budget. Perhaps we have NGE to thank for the bypass. Otherwise the 15 year traffic problem would be a 20-25yr problem. :eek:

Other thoughts:

Losing the Rose Garden: :banghead: The new paths not expanding to the Rose Garden area and still taking it out. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

The Rose Garden is one of the MK's Must Do's!!! A quiet respite (when there isn't a dance party or castle show going on) away from the rest of the park to enjoy the simple pleasures of smelling the roses. The Rose path in Epcot is far less enjoyable due to the crowds using the path. I don't know how enjoyable the new green offerings in the hub will be with all the people in the area.
Roses require manure to thrive and TDO needs to spread the manure elsewhere at this time.
 

GrumpyFan

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In this instance, they'll be re-routing thousands of people frequently down a bypass (bypassing the shops on Main Street completely) with little or no opportunity for merch or food sales.

We don't know this to be true yet. In all likelihood, they will only use this when the crowds are at peak and for exit/closing times, or when there is a parade going on (afternoon) and people are trying to get through.
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
We don't know this to be true yet. In all likelihood, they will only use this when the crowds are at peak and for exit/closing times, or when there is a parade going on (afternoon) and people are trying to get through.

Seems like they use it a lot now. And i'm sure that's only gonna increase once they finish the work they are doing.
 

Ignohippo

Well-Known Member
We don't know this to be true yet. In all likelihood, they will only use this when the crowds are at peak and for exit/closing times, or when there is a parade going on (afternoon) and people are trying to get through.


Ha! Even if it were just exit/closing time, that's enough to warrant a proper corridor with shop access.

That's thousands of people every single day that will be bypassing the Main Street shops on their way out of the parks at the end of the day.
 

JLipnick

Well-Known Member
Ha! Even if it were just exit/closing time, that's enough to warrant a proper corridor with shop access.

That's thousands of people every single day that will be bypassing the Main Street shops on their way out of the parks at the end of the day.
funny. I just posted the same thing on the bypass thread. I would think the lost revenue would more than pay for the bypass being done right with access to the stores
 

The Visionary Soul

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Hmm so after hearing the Visionary Speak I am gonna put this in a mild optimistic range. To me it all depended on when it will be used and as only overflow and occupancy, I have zero problem if it is not fleshed out. As always it depends on what the final project looks like
You can be optimistic about the hub. East Street is going to look like crap, just not as crappy as it does now. When I said it was "beautiful" in an earlier, post, that was sarcasm. They're building wooden walls for pete's sake instead of actually full facades and stores. They will still not get any revenue from East Street, and it still won't connect to Center Street. It's just really low budget. They needed to spend more on this route so it could be like an arcade in Paris. That really is the bottom line.
 
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SpectroMan93

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Looking at the design of the hub expansion, is it possible in the later future that a west street could open? I know that backside of main street isn't ideal for a guest path, but the way that bridge leads from the hub to between Casey's and Crystal Palace makes me feel that the option is there if they so choose to do use it.
 

The Visionary Soul

Well-Known Member
Looking at the design of the hub expansion, is it possible in the later future that a west street could open? I know that backside of main street isn't ideal for a guest path, but the way that bridge leads from the hub to between Casey's and Crystal Palace makes me feel that the option is there if they so choose to do use it.

That option wouldn't help during parades, since they need that parking lot back there to stage the parade floats before they come out. The best option would actually be to re-build the emporium to have a hallway in the existing structure.
 

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