Main Street U.S.A. hub redevelopment at the Magic Kingdom

[CTXRover]

If they could eliminate at least one of the poles from the fountain planters, that would make a huge difference imo. The one pole on each side has just two lights on it and is the one of the two that creates the most obstruction.

The only potential saving grace is that the poles may disappear a bit more when trees are back in the center of the hub. Fortunately, when actually there and walking through the new parts of the hub, they aren't as destracting as they are when looking at pics. However, since the castle is heavily photographed and you can't get a good pic of the castle from the gardens without the poles in the way, that is a problem.

 

[Cesar R M]

Actually, if they charged a lot less for park admission, you wouldn't want to go, since it would be even more crowded than it is now. Wall to wall every day. Not a pretty sight.

Different people are on these boards for different reasons. Some are here to see updates before they take a family vacation, and criticism is viewed as unnecessary harping. Others may be in or interested in the design fields and wish to discuss those aspects, including best practice.



There's precedent for making improvements. The whole park is an example of the ongoing battle between Art and Commerce. Do you remember the similar discussion about the exposed showbuilding near the new Fantasyland bathrooms?

Some argued, "So few ever see this out-of-the-way vista, why should Disney Corp. waste cash to correct it? They have a responsibility to maximize shareholder returns." Others argued doing so would improve aesthetics, immersion and overall effect. Disney went on to address the sightline issue and art won that battle. Often Disney will go the extra mile to achieve an industry-leading level of execution.

The pole issue to me isn't about fireworks viewing for the three people behind it (they'd likely be raised anyway even if telescoping boxes were employed here in order to illuminate the paths right after the show); it's about the visual clutter during the day with no big trees coming (near the fountains) to help absorb the lighting rigs. If OLC can afford to build and maintain scores of pole elevators, TWDC, whose 11.4billion profits triple OLC's total revenue, can show best practice at their flaghsip park.

oh yes.. that part in the tangled toilets and behind IASMW is ugly. coming from IASW you can sometimes see the trucks behind that area. along the giant water reservoirs in deep blue.
I remember someone said there were more trees blocking the building correctly.

plus.. lets be honest.. the ones who preach nonstop the "but disney is a business!" excuse or excusing every single time Disney does a bad show problem.. its because they have business interest in TWDC. Mostly in shares.
The famous Thick used to make his famous rants and tirades going beyond ridicoulous fanboyism sometimes. Until he was clearly exposed as "I dont care about show, I want my stock to be valued higher".

We've seen that behaviour countless of times.

 

[Cesar R M]

What I meant was this - maybe you get 40,000 people for an average day at the current pricing. If Disney lowered the ticket prices back down to $50-60 for a one day, with a corresponding reduction in multi-day tickets, you might then see 60,000 every day in the park, since more people might be able to afford to go. Would you rather be in the park with 39,999 others, or 59,999 others? Of course, since Disney will never do this, it is a moot point.

And no, I disagree that if Disney raised prices significantly higher for park admission that people would simply spend less elsewhere. I believe that most would say it is too expensive and stay away rather than spend less on other items. JMHO, of course.

Id love to summon @ParentsOf4 to discuss about spending.. same with @WDW1974

 

[Martiyoman]

Not sure why you tagged me... but, OK, I do tend to agree with you. Disney fans tend to get carried away with ideology and not have any reality based thoughts at all. Those that think that spending thousands and thousands of dollars so that three people standing directly behind and close to the pole will have a better view just makes me wonder. They may have what seems like a bottomless pit of money, and compared to most of us, I'm sure it's true, however, because they have it doesn't mean that they automatically need to or should spend it all.

I was trying to refer those others to your post somewhere above mine where you were basically saying the same thing. You may have noticed I'm somewhat new to the boards and haven't quite figured out that whole double-quoting thing yet!

 

[Grumpy1973]

So many posts about LIGHTPOLES when there are so many more issues.. Although to be fair I have a 5 year old that absolutely cannot STAND the firework explosions so my *donkey* is usually 30 seconds from the car before the first mortar explodes..

 

[Cesar R M]

So many posts about LIGHTPOLES when there are so many more issues..

well, they would be blaming us all doom and glommers if we discussed all problems at same time

 

[Clamman73]

Fixed

 

[roj2323]

Speaking of the awesome parade lighting rigs, does anyone know what the green device is in this picture on the cantilevered arm (that kinda looks like a security camera, but is solid green)?

it could be a number of things.

• Glow with the show IR emitter.
• Camera location temporarily capped
• Magic band tracker
• Wifi transmitter
• A combination of a few of the above

 

[roj2323]

What did my post have to do with if you are stopped for viewing fireworks? I was talking about how your eyes are drawn to things when they are the tallest thing in your view with little to busy the view. That's something that applies if you are walking around.. or sitting.

But to your point that this shouldn't matter... we should point out these light posts are 'behind' the ring on THIS side of the hub... but if similar posts are needed for the castle side of the ring... the posts will be in front of people on the MS side of the hub... both inner and outer rings.

Two.. regardless of your dismissal of using FP for fireworks.. you can't discount the reality of what the FP viewing areas seen.. as shown by wdwmagic's photos
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Lastly... to your dismissal of using FP for fireworks... you act like you've never had to save a spot for fireworks.. or show up early.. which of course is complete garbage.

Anything you'd like to bring up... again?

I hate agreeing with people on little complaints usually but Wow those light poles really stand out in that photo.

 

[erclvrb18]

Fixed

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omg is this real life?

 

[wdwmagic]

omg is this real life?

Nope, photoshop.

 

[erclvrb18]

Nope, photoshop.

darn.... send it to disney and show the before and after and say.... good show... bad show lol....
I was a cast member and they lectured us for hours on bad show....

I really don't mind the poles... its that they are up 24/7.....
they really could fix it... but we all know trees are NOT going in that spot... for a good reason ... same reason the poles should not be there.... I am not yelling of corse... just bugged ... lol

 

[muse1983]

Any ideas as to if we will see a fully completed hub by Oct 2015?

 

[dstrawn9889]

orange dots are where the poles in question are... and the crappy burgundy circle-ish is the primary show/fireworks viewing area... why is this a problem?

 

[betty rose]

darn.... send it to disney and show the before and after and say.... good show... bad show lol....
I was a cast member and they lectured us for hours on bad show....

I really don't mind the poles... its that they are up 24/7.....
they really could fix it... but we all know trees are NOT going in that spot... for a good reason ... same reason the poles should not be there.... I am not yelling of corse... just bugged ... lol

I'm glad I can't see so good.

 

[Mike S]

darn.... send it to disney and show the before and after and say.... good show... bad show lol....
I was a cast member and they lectured us for hours on bad show....

I really don't mind the poles... its that they are up 24/7.....
they really could fix it... but we all know trees are NOT going in that spot... for a good reason ... same reason the poles should not be there.... I am not yelling of corse... just bugged ... lol

They lecture CM's for hours on bad show and then let ride effects go broken or even missing completely for months on end? You can just smell the hypocrisy in the air.

 

[erclvrb18]

I'm glad I can't see so good.

LOL

 

[erclvrb18]

They lecture CM's for hours on bad show and then let ride effects go broken or even missing completely for months on end? You can just smell the hypocrisy in the air.

YUP

 

[betty rose]

YUP

I'm sorry that you have to endure that.

 

[erclvrb18]

I'm sorry that you have to endure that.

oh... no it was fine... I loved working for disney... i just don't get why they push the good show to cast but don't care about show as much themselves.