Magic rescues Royal Caribbean passenger!

Tom

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I don't feel that they should be embarrassed that they didn't know a passenger fell overboard. If nobody saw it happen, and nobody reported them missing, they don't have real-time tracking on passengers.

It's impressive that Disney's captain saw them floating in the middle of the ocean though!
 

RandomPrincess

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I don't feel that they should be embarrassed that they didn't know a passenger fell overboard. If nobody saw it happen, and nobody reported them missing, they don't have real-time tracking on passengers.

It's impressive that Disney's captain saw them floating in the middle of the ocean though!

According to the article - "Unfortunately, this cruise line has made no efforts to comply with the 2010 Cruise Vessel Safety & Security Act which requires the installation of automatic man overboard systems."

This only applies to cruise ships who are originating in the USA though.
 

tahqa

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Couple of things...

The author of the article is deliberately omitting part of the law in order to bolster his statements. The act, as written and passed states:


Passenger vessel security and safety requirements


(a) VESSEL DESIGN, EQUIPMENT, CONSTRUCTION, AND RETROFITTING REQUIREMENTS.—

(1) I
N GENERAL.—Each vessel to which this subsection applies shall comply with the following design and construction standards:
(A) The vessel shall be equipped with ship rails that are located not less than 42 inches above the cabin deck.
(B) Each passenger stateroom and crew cabin shall be equipped with entry doors that include peep holes or other means of visual identification.
(C) For any vessel the keel of which is laid after the date of enactment of the Cruise Vessel Security and Safety Act of 2010, each passenger stateroom and crew cabin shall be equipped with—
(i) security latches; and
(ii) time-sensitive key technology.
(D) The vessel shall integrate technology that can be used for capturing images of passengers or detecting passengers who have fallen overboard, to the extent that such technology is available.

The act DOES NOT require the installation of automatic man overboard systems. He is willfully omitting the "or" from the act, which changes the law completely. RCI DOES have the capability for capturing images along the sides of their ships, thus they comply with the law.

He also willfully misstates NCL's compliance with the law when he says that they are using overboard detection equipment. According to a March 2014 interview with Captain Svein Sleipnes of Norwegian Cruise Line:

Sleipnes confirms that Norwegian has focused on similar priorities in its efforts to upgrade its safety systems.

"Surveillance cameras, for instance, play an important part in our automated fire safety systems," he notes. "If a fire alarm comes up, then the feed from the surveillance camera immediately comes on-screen in the control room. Over the last five years, a lot of work has also gone into systems redundancy in order to ensure that a ship can return to port if there is a safety issue. Propulsion systems, for example, will not be disabled when there is the right level of redundancy. There are also man-overboard detection systems that we are testing on our ships now."

So the overboard detection systems are still in the testing phase on the NCL ships.

Another thing to keep in mind is that, while the law is written, the regulations pertaining to that law are not.

From Law360:

Law360, New York (March 25, 2014, 3:54 PM ET) -- During a Tuesday hearing on cruise ship regulatory oversight, a U.S. Coast Guard official told the National Transportation Safety Board that there is still no set timeline for when the agency will be ready to put forward passenger safety rulemaking mandated by Congress in 2010.

Capt. Eric P. Christensen, chief traveling inspector for the Coast Guard, acknowledged that the agency still has no scheduled date for when it will come out with proposed rules for how cruise ships may comply with man-overboard detection systems mandated by the Cruise Vessel Security and Safety Act.
 

Bolna

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But what good is a camera that captures my picture when I fall overboard if this does not sound some kind of automatic alarm?? If the Oasis has the image system, why did not anyone notice the guy falling overboard?

Still, I think there is something fishy about this whole report. There is also a report here: http://disneycruiselineblog.com/201...oasis-seas-rescued-disney-magic-near-cozumel/

There it says something about a large wave washing that guy overboard. That sounds strange that the Magic can rescue someone that fell overboard in so horrible weather that he could be washed off the largest cruise ship in the world.
 

Bolna

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I am still concerned that the cameras on the Oasis did not pick up the guy...

And if he jumped down 30 feet into the open ocean, I am surprised that he did not get serious injuries!
 

Tom

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Guest on the Oasis currently stated the guy jumped from deck 5. Certainly more plausible explanation than "a wave". The lowest deck with rail access is pretty high up. We're taking more than 30 or 40 ft from the water.

Agreed.

Granted, I've only cruised twice (Fantasy & Dream), but as I was on those ships, I often assessed the perimeter of the ship and tried to figure out HOW I could possibly fall overboard.

There really are only three legitimate ways:

1) By way of someone else making it happen, in a malicious way (since you can't accidentally become higher than the railing)

2) By intentionally doing it yourself (i.e. suicide)

3) By "intentionally" doing it yourself while under the influence of a substance (i.e. drunk, climbed on railing).

The 42" railing prohibits 90% of the population from having the majority of their body (and thus, their center of gravity) above the top rail. Very tall people would be the exception. That said, you can't just fall over the railing from a standing position. Heck, you can't even fall over if you lean over the railing, as long as your feet are still on the deck, because you can't get enough of your body's mass past the rail.

Waves don't affect cruise ships in a manner that would send someone overboard. That type of wave would have to come from a storm, and ship captains don't navigate through storms. And it certainly wouldn't be the type of wave that would come up over a deck.

The victim was obviously lying or delirious when he gave his story. I certainly hope they checked his BAC as soon as possible, because I believe that will reveal what happened.

I still don't fault RC.
 

wogwog

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wm49rs

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The man had been in the water for nearly four hours when he was picked up. And the Magic had to make a near 180-degree turn to get him. But, the captain said he was fine, and upon arrival at Cozumel he was transferred to an ambulance....

Ironically though, there were two Carnival ships taking much the same route of the Magic in the Western Caribbean. Guess neither one knew of the man going overboard....
 

LAKid53

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Kudos to the crew of the Magic for spotting him in the first place. Those seas looked pretty choppy.
 

ajrwdwgirl

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The news station we watch out of Minneapolis just reported this tonight on the news. I laughed because discussion about this has been going on for days on this board and another one I go to. I guess my news station is a little behind the times.
 

LAKid53

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According to the overboard passenger, a large wave swept him off an open deck. That wave would have to be about 50 feet and I am sure the crew of the Oasis would notice a wave that large. And he wouldn't be able to survive for 4 hours in seas 9 miles from port that produced waves that big. Too embarrassed to admit how he really fell overboard, I guess.
 

Tom

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According to the overboard passenger, a large wave swept him off an open deck. That wave would have to be about 50 feet and I am sure the crew of the Oasis would notice a wave that large. And he wouldn't be able to survive for 4 hours in seas 9 miles from port that produced waves that big. Too embarrassed to admit how he really fell overboard, I guess.

Exactly. Climbing on the railing for one reason or another. No decks are that low AND open. The sea is obviously choppy in that video, but nothing that would send water on board.
 

LAKid53

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Exactly. Climbing on the railing for one reason or another. No decks are that low AND open. The sea is obviously choppy in that video, but nothing that would send water on board.

Yeah, seas producing waves capable of washing someone overboard on a ship that tall would probably cause the captain to close all "open" decks and send many passengers to their cabins. Unless it was a rouge 50 foot wave. lol
 

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