YankeeMouse
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Any chance they might show the Pirate/Princess fireworks another time in the future? With our little "pirates" all grown up, it's just us AP holders going to WDW these days!
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Magic, Music, and Mayhem Fireworks Spectacular Video
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They might...they did for both of the other special edition Wishes shows, but those lend themselves better doing this since they just showed them during the days leading up to Halloween and Christmas. I guess the comparable thing here would be to show this during the Spring Break weeks
askmike1
Member
After watching that video (and yes, I know videos never do shows justice), I have two different opinions on the show. On the negative side, I think the first half of the show is just downright boring. Hardly any choreography (except maybe the make it red/make it blue part), and where the heck did King Triton & sebastian come from? Seemed like they were randomly inserted because they had more recognizable voices than the King in Sleeping Beauty. I also still think the section between Tink coming and the very ending is weak. As for transitions, at least in Wishes when Jiminy talks there are fireworks going off. Here you have whole sections with the three fairies talking with no fireworks whatsoever.
Now for the positive part, I think the whole Pirates section kicks ______. The very moment Captain Hook starts talking and the perimeters go off, it goes from boring show to just wow! If they could take that pirates section and place it with a better beginning (one that, I don't know, perhaps features.... princesses) it would make the perfect show (and a great replacement for Wishes, even without the perimeters on a daily basis).
well...to each his own, I guess. I for one prefer this show. I'm not sure I understand you suggesting the show doesn't feature princesses...the first half of the show is all princesses. They just don't do the same thing they do in Wishes and have them talk. I prefer the instrumental versions of the movie music--it gives the show a much more classy feel. I think the choreography is very well done and the pirate battle is perhaps the best pyrotechnic display I have ever seen. The finale pyro is at least as good as in Wishes or Remember, minus the very tiresome "When You Wish Upon a Star" that is overused in Disney fireworks, and minus them insisting on screaming "wish" every 3 seconds. I find this to be a better written, classier, more exciting show than Wishes, and while Remember...Dreams Come True is technically impressive, it doesn't really have a cohesive story. It was just meant to be a tribute for Disneyland's 50th, which it certainly was. There are pauses in all of these shows where there is no pyro, but nothing to the level of the time without pyro in Fantasmic! or IllumiNations!
On review, I`m glad there are pauses. This, and Hallowishes, seems to suffer if the wind is right (or wrong) from the smoke blocking out the high level effects - the gaps in pyro give time for the smoke to start to disperse. Like Remember, the PotC segment is fantastic. Boo - if you could just work this bit into the regular show.... 
1FoolishMortal
New Member
I have, actually. Don't get me wrong here...Remember is a really great show. As much as I like it, though, it has quite a few flaws that really stand out for me. Magic, Music, and Mayhem, however, overcomes quite a few of those flaws and just seems to present an extremely well done show.
Now, as to which one I like better, I'm not too sure. I was more jealous of WDW's new show because it managed to fix what Remember and Wishes couldn't seem to get right.
S.E.A.
Member
what flaws are you talking about?
I think M3 is great for a special event show, the only really impressive part of the show is the Pirates section. They could have done so much more with the princesses, in my opinion. The Mermaid segment sounds beautiful but it is visiually boring. The whole first hald felt like one big, long princess medley, that was cute to listen to but, in terms of the visual nothing really noteworthy other than the Pink/Blue battle.
it's good but it's not as impressive as holiday Wishes or as poignant as the normal Wishes
1FoolishMortal
New Member
These flaws:
To elaborate, Remember seems to have a break in the music every 2 minutes like its required. After seeing the show multiple times, it's kinda starting to bug me. While (like the above poster said) it's technically impressive, it lags in many other aspects. There's no story, no heart, and it doesn't flow from segment to segment. It also reuses music from Wishes (*gag*) and consequently doesn't have its own original theme. Because the music breaks so much, the energy builds, builds, builds, builds, and builds to nowhere. The finale can't compare to anything that appeared before it.
Like I said, though, don't get me wrong here. I really like Remember and it's much better than anything Disney has done before in DL. However, it also has quite a few major flaws that keep it from being the show that I'd hoped it would be.
To elaborate, Remember seems to have a break in the music every 2 minutes like its required. After seeing the show multiple times, it's kinda starting to bug me. While (like the above poster said) it's technically impressive, it lags in many other aspects. There's no story, no heart, and it doesn't flow from segment to segment. It also reuses music from Wishes (*gag*) and consequently doesn't have its own original theme. Because the music breaks so much, the energy builds, builds, builds, builds, and builds to nowhere. The finale can't compare to anything that appeared before it.
Like I said, though, don't get me wrong here. I really like Remember and it's much better than anything Disney has done before in DL. However, it also has quite a few major flaws that keep it from being the show that I'd hoped it would be.
mpaul32001
Well-Known Member
From laughingplace.com! A Live Tinkerbell is in the Parade! Isn't that a WDW first? It should happen more often!
it is certainly a rarity for Tink to be seen played by a person--very cool.
As for the princess part being "boring," in Disney's defense, this is called the Pirates and Princesses Party. The princesses have to get half, and unfortunately, characters like Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty do not lend themselves to loud, massive explosions all over the park. It would be a bit jarring to have music from Cinderella playing while pyro is exploding on the Castle. Instead, they went with soft music and I think the pyrotechnics match the music. They have some cool new shapes in the fireworks and I still find it to be very pretty. It utilizes the low level pyro effectively and I really like the orchestrations that they used. Princesses just aren't all that exciting. They wisely organized this show, however, having it build throughout to a crescendo when Hook shows up. There are some pauses in the fireworks to "cleanse the palate," and let the audience breath a little, but unlike Wishes and Remember, the music does not stop concomitantly, and so the flow of the show is not disrupted. Then, as I say, the pirates scene is phenomenal. Honestly, I agree with Kevin Yee...the pirates could have carried the evening without the princesses. They truly rock.
Regardless, you can complain about the pauses (however, Marni was right to point out that especially after the pirates scene, it's absolutely necessary due to all the smoke around the castle), but I would point out that every other firework show Disney has made contains pauses. It would be a little much if it were non-stop music. One issue is that with dialogue, it is hard to hear if there are tons of loud explosions whereas we all know the Pirates music...we don't need to hear every note so they can basically blow up the Magic Kingdom during that scene.
Regardless, I'm pretty hard to please with fireworks...props out to Disney on this. The only way it coulda been better would be for Jack Sparrow to say, "But, where's the rum?!" It would even offer that inside joke since, of course, there is no booze in the Magic Kingdom...which might frustrate Jack
As for the princess part being "boring," in Disney's defense, this is called the Pirates and Princesses Party. The princesses have to get half, and unfortunately, characters like Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty do not lend themselves to loud, massive explosions all over the park. It would be a bit jarring to have music from Cinderella playing while pyro is exploding on the Castle. Instead, they went with soft music and I think the pyrotechnics match the music. They have some cool new shapes in the fireworks and I still find it to be very pretty. It utilizes the low level pyro effectively and I really like the orchestrations that they used. Princesses just aren't all that exciting. They wisely organized this show, however, having it build throughout to a crescendo when Hook shows up. There are some pauses in the fireworks to "cleanse the palate," and let the audience breath a little, but unlike Wishes and Remember, the music does not stop concomitantly, and so the flow of the show is not disrupted. Then, as I say, the pirates scene is phenomenal. Honestly, I agree with Kevin Yee...the pirates could have carried the evening without the princesses. They truly rock.
Regardless, you can complain about the pauses (however, Marni was right to point out that especially after the pirates scene, it's absolutely necessary due to all the smoke around the castle), but I would point out that every other firework show Disney has made contains pauses. It would be a little much if it were non-stop music. One issue is that with dialogue, it is hard to hear if there are tons of loud explosions whereas we all know the Pirates music...we don't need to hear every note so they can basically blow up the Magic Kingdom during that scene.
Regardless, I'm pretty hard to please with fireworks...props out to Disney on this. The only way it coulda been better would be for Jack Sparrow to say, "But, where's the rum?!" It would even offer that inside joke since, of course, there is no booze in the Magic Kingdom...which might frustrate Jack
boo52
Active Member
I'll work on getting the Matterhorn built. Then we'll be golden :animwink:Like Remember, the PotC segment is fantastic. Boo - if you could just work this bit into the regular show....
Thats because this is by a totally different show director and fireworks designer.1FoolishMortal said:
CrashNet
Well-Known Member
boo52,
Guests complained about Hallowishes but not Holidaywishes? I wonder why that would happen. I would have thought it would have been a treat to see a unique show during a holiday period.
Still, boo, I have to give you and everyone on the team major props for this show. Fantastic use of the 180 perimeters without saving them for the finale, great music, very unique new effects...brilliant display.
I have to ask: its hard to tell on the video, but there are periods during the pirate/castle sequence where there are really loud booms, loud enough the guests respond. What was used to produce that effect? The ones I'm refering to are those that seem to be in very close proximity to the castle.
Guests complained about Hallowishes but not Holidaywishes? I wonder why that would happen. I would have thought it would have been a treat to see a unique show during a holiday period.
Still, boo, I have to give you and everyone on the team major props for this show. Fantastic use of the 180 perimeters without saving them for the finale, great music, very unique new effects...brilliant display.
I have to ask: its hard to tell on the video, but there are periods during the pirate/castle sequence where there are really loud booms, loud enough the guests respond. What was used to produce that effect? The ones I'm refering to are those that seem to be in very close proximity to the castle.
it's not as "special" if it's your family vacation and you can only go to Disney a week every few years...plus, Holiday Wishes is generally regarded as better than Happy HalloWishes. I've always found HalloWishes a little...weird...kinda a Halloween dance party.
Just a guess but the people that complained were probably those that believe Halloween is a satanic holiday.
imagineer boy
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I'm likeing how this is turning out! Looks good. I really loved the pirates fireworks set to music. I wish they could've used the Kraken theme song though. I would love to see that set to fireworks.
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Epcot82Guy
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In response to a few posts back, yes, this is the first time Tink has appeared live in a WDW parade (at least according to Disney's official statements).
As for the show, I kind of like it staying as a ticketed event. It adds some value to the $40 people pay. Everyone loves Wishes and Remember (I'm personally not a fan of the former, but the latter is outstanding), so it's not like people are getting "stuck" with something lesser. It just is something that people who attend the event get. I say kudos for them adding it.
As for the Wishes debate, I do understand the gripe. Unlike Epcot where the Holiday version is a tag, the show does change. So, people miss out. WDW has so many more yearly visitors vs. regulars that it is a valid concern. People like to see their classics as the classics (although that is debateable with some recent attraction trends, but I digress... ).
As for the show, I kind of like it staying as a ticketed event. It adds some value to the $40 people pay. Everyone loves Wishes and Remember (I'm personally not a fan of the former, but the latter is outstanding), so it's not like people are getting "stuck" with something lesser. It just is something that people who attend the event get. I say kudos for them adding it.
As for the Wishes debate, I do understand the gripe. Unlike Epcot where the Holiday version is a tag, the show does change. So, people miss out. WDW has so many more yearly visitors vs. regulars that it is a valid concern. People like to see their classics as the classics (although that is debateable with some recent attraction trends, but I digress...
).
boo52
Active Member
The reasons why people complain are posted in a few posts after your original. People come here expecting to see Wishes. And during Christmas they prefer Holiday shows. As for the booms, they are Type 6 Mortar hits. They are thump HARD and shake everything. They are really an awsome effect. The crowd reaction when the ones on the castle hit is amazing.