News Magic Kingdom July 2020 reopening reports

[lilypgirl]

I had this experience when trying to ind a Made in USA neck gaiter. I had to choose between either incredibly obnoxious/douchey/redneck graphics, or super feminine designs. I gave up Reminds me of the jersey designs of the teams in my beer-league softball.

I was able to find plan white , black and gray ones at SA fishing. They are actually better fitting then any of the regular mask I have had. Sorry but I think this a Disney rule that was not well thought out at all.

 

[DisneyOutsider]

I was able to find plan white , black and gray ones at SA fishing. They are actually better fitting then any of the regular mask I have had. Sorry but I think this a Disney rule that was not well thought out at all.

I think it generally makes sense, because your fishing mask doesn't filter airborne particles.. at least not effectively. It's a sun/uv barrier.

 

[lilypgirl]

I think it generally makes sense, because your fishing mask doesn't filter airborne particles.. at least not effectively. It's a sun/uv barrier.

I don’t think many of the homemade ones or Etsy ones do either? It think if that’s the case than it should be a a material issue/ requirement and not a style one.

 

[donsullivan]

I think it generally makes sense, because your fishing mask doesn't filter airborne particles.. at least not effectively. It's a sun/uv barrier.

Exactly. The very features that make people like these (generally lighter weight and thus easier to breathe) are the reasons Disney is saying they are not compliant with their guidelines. Everyone just needs to accept that and not be yet another entitled guest that tries to push against the rules.

If everyone will just read the guidelines, follow them as published, and stop pushing back against them, the re-opening can be an enjoyable experience for all.

 

[DisneyOutsider]

I don’t think many of the homemade ones or Etsy ones do either? It think if that’s the case than it should be a a material issue/ requirement and not a style one.

Cotton and most thicker fabrics have natural filtering capabilities that are several orders of magnitudes more effective than the fishing mask that you purchased. Masks being sold on Etsy are generally following best practices to provide for this filtration.

 

[DCBaker]

Security a breeze to get through and no wait for the monorail.

 

[jinx8402]

I don’t think many of the homemade ones or Etsy ones do either? It think if that’s the case than it should be a a material issue/ requirement and not a style one.

Neck gaiters are a single layer of extremely thin material (why it is easier to breath through). Hold it up to light and you can clearly see through it, so it doesn't offer much as a barrier. Two to three layers (most common) of cotton material creates a better barrier.

This is coming from someone who bought neck gaiters hoping I could use them, but have gone away from using them because they are so thin that I know they don't offer much of protection.

 

[larryz]

I don't think we'll see published reasons but I understand there are two different drivers. The first and most important is the fact that gaiters 'tend' to have very thin fabric and therefore provide far less protection than the defined types of masks. The second is a concern around the fact that it is not uncommon for gaiters to have what can best be described as rather 'aggressive' graphics on them and they'd just rather not deal with that. The thin fabric seems to be the primary driver though.

There's a safety aspect as well -- a gaiter (as well as around the head straps) can become a choking hazard if something goes wrong.

 

[lilypgirl]

Exactly. The very features that make people like these (generally lighter weight and thus easier to breathe) are the reasons Disney is saying they are not compliant with their guidelines. Everyone just needs to accept that and not be yet another entitled guest that tries to push against the rules.

If everyone will just read the guidelines, follow them as published, and stop pushing back against them, the re-opening can be an enjoyable experience for all.

Oh for Christ sakes discussing the issue is not pushing back! I don’t think us neck gaiter wearers are at that point where we are going to torch a Target to get our point across.

 

[Purduevian]

I had this experience when trying to ind a Made in USA neck gaiter. I had to choose between either incredibly obnoxious/douchey/redneck graphics, or super feminine designs. I gave up Reminds me of the jersey designs of the teams in my beer-league softball.

FYI Here is the link to the one I bought with a dust filter insert. Mask

$12 got me 2 gaiters and 10 filters. I will warn you though the coloring is a bit off. I ordered the blue one and mine looks more more blueish purple. Also it is a tight but stretchy material.

 

[DisneyOutsider]

FYI Here is the link to the one I bought with a dust filter insert. Mask

$12 got me 2 gaiters and 10 filters. I will warn you though the coloring is a bit off. I ordered the blue one and mine looks more more blueish purple. Also it is a tight but stretchy material.

Thanks for the link, but unfortunately those are made in China.. was hoping to get one made in USA (which probably contributes to the annoying macho-patriot designs that I couldn't get away from). Anyways, I think I've moved on from neck gaiters for now.

 

[homerdance]

This is an excellent write-up and I'm grateful for it.

However, since it was mentioned twice in the article and repeated by a forum user as part of the forum orthodoxy that FP+ is the cause of long lines, I'm going to go ahead and address this.

I've been to MK during those days of old in the Fall when it was 'dead' and, there was still FP+. And there weren't long lines on all the attractions. Why? Because it was dead. Except for the few headliners that always have a line, the FP line was no faster than the standby... because it was dead. FP+ didn't magically create backed-up lines, because there weren't enough people to fill backed-up lines.

Now, jump to a now typical day when the MK is getting twice the number of people it was designed for. Lines everywhere. And not because of FP, but because there's twice the number of people the park is designed for. The Peoplemover, which has no FP attached to it and has one of the highest throughputs of People per Hour winds up with an hour long wait. And that's because the park is past its tipping point.

You can sneer at spreadsheets, @tirian, but that's data. It's information. You can't hold an opinion that ignores or runs counter to actual reality. The attractions can only throughput a limited number of people. That's a hard fact that can be represented in a spreadsheet. And if you have more people in the park wanting to go on those attractions, you've passed a tipping point and lines will form and grow longer and longer.

The lengthening of lines everywhere happened at the same time the attendance kept climbing and FP+ was introduced. I don't know why or how anyone would blame the lines on FP+ rather than on the obvious reason: A ton more people in the parks.

When Smuggler's Run lost its FP+ line, it wound up with the same hour-long waits at the other headliners in DHS. Why? More people in DHS than it was designed for (thanks to RotR and then MMRR). People were excited to see Smuggler's FP coming to an end and they proclaimed, "NOW we'll see what happens when you take away FP!!" Nothing happened except continued long lines. And yet, the blind faith and orthodoxy of the boards is that long lines are attributed to FP and not to... you know... huge and packed crowds.

The article mentions over and over how there's hardly anyone in the park, but then attributes no lines not to the lack of people, but to the lack of FP+. Meanwhile, the article is delighted there are no crowds and lines at the eateries, but attributes that to... lack of people. How does a low crowd become the reason there are no lines at the eateries, but it is not the reason there are no lines at the rides?

I know that FP isn't perfect in the way it distributes its 'cut the line' perk. But on crowded days, it just shifts people in the long lines, it doesn't cause long lines. This forum orthodoxy regarding FP+'s ability to create lines has no logic to it. But let's say it did... If there was FP+ enabled yesterday, who thinks we'd be seeing 30 minute or more lines at the majority of the attractions?

well said.

 

[Mainahman]

The upgraded bag check really makes me happy!! hopefully its at all parks by august when we arrive.

 

[BlackCauldron]

Many wait times for the headliners are greatly increased today over the last two days. AP clearly has more capacity than the CM previews did. Will be curious to see how much more capacity is given to the full opening.

 

[DCBaker]

Paint by number?

 

[Horizons '83]

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Good catch!

 

[DCBaker]

Mask compliance has been pretty high. One guest was wearing a gaiter and a CM asked them to change it.

Did just see one guest taken away on a stretcher.

 

[ftblgenius]

Mask compliance has been pretty high. One guest was wearing a gaiter and a CM asked them to change it.

Did just see one guest taken away on a stretcher.

One with or without ear loops?

 

[BlackCauldron]

One with or without ear loops?

No gaiters of any kind are allowed now, ear loop or otherwise.

 

[disneyworlddad]

And you continually ignore how I don’t blame FP itself, but the way NextGen FP+ is used to cut staffing and ops.

I am not among those calling for outright cancelation of FP. I’m saying there’s a middle ground that Disney used to hit pretty well. I also haven’t sneered at anything other than fan-forum rhetoric that says FP+ crowding is a misperception because theoretically, everyone would be in line anyway. That works on paper but isn’t how things actually function in daily operations.

Obviously, queues are shorter because the park is dead. Please don’t put words in my mouth and associate me with people who think FP should be completely eliminated. I’ve repeatedly posted that a digital version of the legacy system is the best solution.

But I don’t want to further digress in this thread.

I love your idea of a digital version of the legacy fastpass. That has long been my idea but I never knew who to really put it in to words. I think one of the biggest problems with FP+ is that you can make them when you aren't even in the park. How many passholders or guests back at their resort make FP and then never use them! So not only are you dealing with the actual park crowd you are dealing with park crowd plus whoever wants to make a FP.