Magic Kingdom fireworks fallout zone

[boo52]

HKDL does not use any large shells. Everything in it's show is proximity pyro known as 1.4G. Basically, mines, comets and bombettes. All of it's pyro is from rooftops behind the castle.

This is incorrect. While HKDL does shoot mostly from the fantasyland rooftops they do have a very small launch area for 3", 4" and 5" 1.3G display shells. It's about 500ft west of Dumbo if you look on the map. They have about 20 and a blockhouse. The launchers are designed after the ones at Magic Kingdom. The only difference is that their covers are vinyl canvas and not fiberglass.

 

[boo52]

The minimum spacing by NFPA is 75' per inch of shell. So a 10" shell would be a minimum radius of 750'. However almost every show I have ever worked uses a minimum of 100' per inch of shell per the companies, such as Rozzi, Zambelli, etc...

Boo, does Disney generally up the requirements or just stick with NFPA regs? I am not the least bit familiar with Florida fireworks laws.

NFPA 1123 5.1.3.1 states that For aerial shells, the minimum required radius of the display site shall be 70 feet per inch of the internal mortar diameter. Disney often exceeds the NFPA regulations. 100' per inch is a little extreme unless they are using angled mortars.

 

[KentB3]

Somebody sneezing is enough to cancel the DL show!

LOL!!! :lol: I also heard that Disneyland uses fireworks shells that put out less smoke emissions, though not sure how that works, or how it affects the fireworks show.

 

[KentB3]

Disneyland Paris fireworks

Here is a layout pic of Fantasyland at Disneyland Paris, with some backstage areas behind the railroad track. I looked for the launch pad, but couldn't find it. Also, I noticed numerous rectangular panels on the dark ride buildings near the castle. Is this where DLP launches its fireworks from, or do they have a launch pad somewhere like the other parks do? If so, where is the fireworks fallout zone located?

 

[Rob562]

LOL!!! :lol: I also heard that Disneyland uses fireworks shells that put out less smoke emissions, though not sure how that works, or how it affects the fireworks show.

You are correct. Disneyland now mostly uses the ALF system (Air-Launched Fireworks) that was originally developed for the opening shells of Reflections of Earth at Epcot.

ALF uses compressed air to launch the shells skyward, rather than the usual black-powder lift charges associated with traditional pyrotechnics. This reduces the ground-level smoke output of a fireworks display, which was paramount to appeasing the complaints of Disneyland's residential neighbors (as well as California's clean-air requirements). The residential complaints stemmed from smoke blowing into nearby neighborhoods, which wasn't from the aerial shells (for the most part), but rather from the lift charges to launch the shells.

WDW hasn't felt the need to replace their launchers with ALF launchers because they're much more rural compared to Anaheim. To this day, they still only launch three shells with the ALF system in Florida: the comet and two starbursts at the opening of RoE.

-Rob

 

[JML42691]

Here is a layout pic of Fantasyland at Disneyland Paris, with some backstage areas behind the railroad track. I looked for the launch pad, but couldn't find it. Also, I noticed numerous rectangular panels on the dark ride buildings near the castle. Is this where DLP launches its fireworks from, or do they have a launch pad somewhere like the other parks do? If so, where is the fireworks fallout zone located?

Maybe it's just me, but is that the launch site at the very top of this image in the center, that long rectangle that appears to have a fence around it. It looks like a launch pad to me.

 

[mp2bill]

Somebody sneezing is enough to cancel the DL show!

Lol.

 

[Disneyfanatic!!]

Maybe it's just me, but is that the launch site at the very top of this image in the center, that long rectangle that appears to have a fence around it. It looks like a launch pad to me.

GREAT observation! Looks like it to me!

 

[KentB3]

Maybe it's just me, but is that the launch site at the very top of this image in the center, that long rectangle that appears to have a fence around it. It looks like a launch pad to me.

It does indeed look like a fireworks launch pad, but it seems quite large compared to the others! :animwink:

If this is the launch pad, it does seem awfully close to Fantasyland and many of the attractions. I have no idea what size firework shells Disneyland Paris uses, but if they did use 10 inch shells like the ones used at WDW's Magic Kingdom, the fallout area would cover nearly all of Fantasyland and most of Adventureland. :veryconfu

Does Disneyland Paris exacuate certain areas of the park during the fireworks like Disneyland exacuates Toontown for fallout reasons?

 

[KentB3]

It does indeed look like a fireworks launch pad, but it seems quite large compared to the others! :animwink:

If this is the launch pad, it does seem awfully close to Fantasyland and many of the attractions. I have no idea what size firework shells Disneyland Paris uses, but if they did use 10 inch shells like the ones used at WDW's Magic Kingdom, the fallout area would cover nearly all of Fantasyland and most of Adventureland. :veryconfu

Does Disneyland Paris exacuate certain areas of the park during the fireworks like Disneyland exacuates Toontown for fallout reasons?

Here is a pic showing this area I talked about in the previous post. The launch pad (assuming that it is) is circled, while the 10 inch shell (if they use them there) fallout zone area is marked in red.

 

[KentB3]

NFPA 1123 5.1.3.1 states that For aerial shells, the minimum required radius of the display site shall be 70 feet per inch of the internal mortar diameter. Disney often exceeds the NFPA regulations. 100' per inch is a little extreme unless they are using angled mortars.

Do such regulations exist in Tokyo, Paris, and Hong Kong? According to the Google Earth pics in this thread, the launch pads in Tokyo and Paris were much closer to the ride/attraction areas than in the U.S. parks. Or do they use smaller and/or less powerful fireworks there?

 

[Pyro-Jona]

Hi Guys !

I'm belgian pyrotechnician and often get in contact with french pyro crew ! Well, just to answer to your question in relation with the shoot site, you'll find 2 screen of the different place where fireworks are shot !

First, you were right, you'll find the "big shell" area > Follow this link:

http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2011/10/10/1110100407381297578878431.jpg

This area is not often used! During the season, they will probably use it for New year Eve or press event birthday celebration and 14 of july !

When fireworks are shot, Fantasyland and adventureland are closed at 22h: so the people have around 1 hour to finish the attraction and to go to main street to see the show. This is the secure area you mentionned !

After that, follow this link, where you'll find two areas, at the left and the right of the castle.

http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2011/10/10/1110100407431297578878432.jpg

On this screen, you'll find the two bridges on the roof of Fantasyland buildings where most of the products are shoot during the year.

Due to the neighborhood, DLRP don't have the right to shoot loud fireworks. They have to be as silent as possible ! So... you will not often find a products that is over 3" or 2" !

Just to illustrate: NYE 2011: a french friend told me that the maximum size of the shell used was 3" ! (While WDW use 10 or maybe 12" shell ! ) Funny! No?


You'll find monoshot effets, comets effets, cake with silent effets, and so on !

Sorry for my english, i wanted to share this with you ;-)

 

[Robert Butnarasu]

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[Gullywhumper]

Luckily no one has caught on fire...
That would surely make for a fun vacation!

 

[NeonNinja]

When I'm working in Gastons I am allowed to go outside. But I vcan here the shells falling on the roof.

 

[The_Wilsons]

The last time we went to DLP in 2012 they closed of the rear half of the park for the fireworks.

 

[marni1971]

The last time we went to DLP in 2012 they closed of the rear half of the park for the fireworks.

That's correct. Well, Fantasyland anyway. They have done since at least Wishes.

Dreams, and the DLP shows before it have a lot of park launched pyro.

 

[Bairstow]

Walking back after Illuminations, I've found several scraps of brown paper shell casing fragments. Kind of a neat souvenir.

 

[Rob562]

Walking back after Illuminations, I've found several scraps of brown paper shell casing fragments. Kind of a neat souvenir.

Until they swab your backpack at the airport security checkpoint and you have to explain to the nice TSA officer why you tested positive for black powder...

-Rob

 

[BrerJon]

Walking back after Illuminations, I've found several scraps of brown paper shell casing fragments. Kind of a neat souvenir.

When the wind blows strongly at Epcot it's very common to get hit with firework casings. Many a guest has found a strange bit of charred cardboard landing on their food plates during Food & Wine.