Magic Friends

Yay!
I voted for the prettiest dog ever!
What does the winner win?

Thank you thank you thank you!:kiss:

The winner gets to be in a calendar!!! Yay!

I voted for Glory too - what do I win?

My undying affection.

Wait...you already have that.

Nevermind...

And thanks for your vote!:kiss:

Shots?:lookaroun

Of Tequila?:lookaroun

There have been plenty of threads like that.
People who aren't interested don't have to look.
Those who are interested will get to see some cute pets!
And of course the cutest of all! :D

Yay! I'm doing it! Thanks!

(she is rather cute...)

Hey, you should enter Joey. Today is the deadline...this is not just a dog contest. And he's so pretty.
 

Uponastar

Well-Known Member
Well that's precisely why it generally works in some way with metaphysics. Is knowledge based in fact or simply in perceptions of reality? If our perception of reality is deceived by something outside ourselves, then can we really state anything perceived as being factual?
Also, is knowledge based at all on a thing perceived or in our ideas of the thing perceived external to us? Knowledge has to be an idea of something outside of ourselves, not the thing itself. Can our ideas thus be wrong? These are the base questions we have to get past with metaphysics. I'm personally working on a Thesis that supports the notion that human Vision does not support some sort of extensive world that we suppose we live in. Things that we perceive, such as length, are only a collection of the ideas of motion and figure.

Sound messed up? It is!

Nothing sounds real or definite, but perceived.
I would think you'd go mad if you thought along this line for too long! :lol:
 

WDWSwashbuckler

New Member
Nothing sounds real or definite, but perceived.
I would think you'd go mad if you thought along this line for too long! :lol:

Well that's the only way we have any idea of the world, right? But, think about this! Perhaps the world's existence is totally contingent upon perception! If there's no perceiver of a thing, there's no thing at all!
 

Nemo14

Well-Known Member
Well that's the only way we have any idea of the world, right? But, think about this! Perhaps the world's existence is totally contingent upon perception! If there's no perceiver of a thing, there's no thing at all!
Then do any of us really exist?

edit: except for Connor of course....
 

nibblesandbits

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Well that's the only way we have any idea of the world, right? But, think about this! Perhaps the world's existence is totally contingent upon perception! If there's no perceiver of a thing, there's no thing at all!
I am so lost! I mean once again...kind of get it...but it's too much to think about. It makes my head spin! :lol:
 

Uponastar

Well-Known Member
Well that's the only way we have any idea of the world, right? But, think about this! Perhaps the world's existence is totally contingent upon perception! If there's no perceiver of a thing, there's no thing at all!

Kind of like that tree falling in the forest. . .

Is it possible that everyone perceives things a little differently?
Like say. . .color? Is my "blue" different from yours?
 

WDWSwashbuckler

New Member
Then do any of us really exist?

edit: except for Connor of course....

Of course you exist! You're a perceiver, right? The question is, do I exist right now? How about now? Do you know? Do you perceive me? That's the thing for Berkeley. He thinks, "Well, I'm not really sure that Paul exists right now, so it's a good thing reality isn't contingent upon MY perception!". Bear in mind, Berkeley was a Bishop, so his philosophy seems to fall in line with some sort of meticulous theology as well. He thinks that when we open our eyes, it's obvious that we can't manipulate the things that we perceive, so reality is contingent upon a higher perceiver than ourselves. God.
 

WDWSwashbuckler

New Member
Kind of like that tree falling in the forest. . .

Is it possible that everyone perceives things a little differently?
Like say. . .color? Is my "blue" different from yours?

Sure it is, that's why things exist as ideas in the mind of the perceiver!

Actually that whole tree falling in the forest thing arises from Berkeley!
 

Uponastar

Well-Known Member
Of course you exist! You're a perceiver, right? The question is, do I exist right now? How about now? Do you know? Do you perceive me? That's the thing for Berkeley. He thinks, "Well, I'm not really sure that Paul exists right now, so it's a good thing reality isn't contingent upon MY perception!". Bear in mind, Berkeley was a Bishop, so his philosophy seems to fall in line with some sort of meticulous theology as well. He thinks that when we open our eyes, it's obvious that we can't manipulate the things that we perceive, so reality is contingent upon a higher perceiver than ourselves. God.

Whoa.
Science and religion collide!
My head just might explode now.
 

nibblesandbits

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Um...completely off topic...but I was wondering...since Bunny's shower is coming up and everything...and I don't know if the list has been updated or not...should I start to compile a list or should we just let it be now?
 

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