In response to the Jim Hill article claiming MANY people are made ill by Mission:Space (www.jimhillmedia.com)....
I want to see what people who've ACTUALLY RIDDEN IT think!
I want to see what people who've ACTUALLY RIDDEN IT think!
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M:S sickness poll....
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DarkMeasures
New Member
I stand alone! Only person who did not have discomfort!
General Grizz
New Member
I started with diziness...lasted for a couple of hours about 30 minutes after I rode the attraction.
Except in the WDWMagic chatroom that I felt a little dizzy...not sure if it had to do with Space or not!
Nothing serious though.
Except in the WDWMagic chatroom that I felt a little dizzy...not sure if it had to do with Space or not!
Nothing serious though.
DarkMeasures
New Member
I hate you.
But I do agree with the gravity wheel. Anyone remember it in the movie Mission to Mars?
I like to stare at that wheel the whole 20 minutes it takes to go through that area. (I timed it)
It feels like it is standing still and the room is spinning.
But I do agree with the gravity wheel. Anyone remember it in the movie Mission to Mars?
I like to stare at that wheel the whole 20 minutes it takes to go through that area. (I timed it)
It feels like it is standing still and the room is spinning.
MrNonacho
Premium Member
Oh yes, I remember it from Mission to Mars. I just rented the DVD to see how many things in M:S were taken from the movie (gravity wheel, X-1 model (see my avatar), and Training Operations control panels). Not to mention Gary Sinise and the fact that the astronauts' wrist computers are Compaq-branded... And yes, it really is a bad movie.
I can't stop staring at that wheel, either. It's funny the things you notice when you stare at it for a while. Did you know that it takes about two minutes to make a complete revolution, and that there is a loose strap that hangs from the ceiling in the section directly to the right of the Horizons logo (when it's oriented normally)? The wheel makes you crazy... :lookaroun
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magicjay1989
New Member
I think we should just e-mail jimhill and tell him to get a clue. Jimhill says hes a fan of disney but all he is a basher!!!! I was half way through the articall and had to stop reading because he just dosent have a clue what most people feel after rideing. If they where to have a ride marathon for mission space I would gladly sign up. I love mission space and have riden it about five times and never felt sick at all. I know most people on this fourm love it and only a few of us got sick rideing it. But thats just my two cents.
ISTCrew20
Well-Known Member
I did email him...this is what I said
Hi Jim,
My Name Is Patrick, and just to give you a little information about myself. Im 15 years old and live in Orlando. I have been on Mission Space many times, and I write Disney reports on WDWMAGIC.COM all the time, as im at the parks usually about 3 times a week. Anyway, I have been reading your sites articles and story's for quite awhile now. Mission:SPACE being my favorite ride, I couldn't wait to read your newest article. Well, I wasn't very pleased Jim. To tell the truth, the points you brought up in that article were, well, pointless. I had never had nothing to compare your articles to the reality of anything Disney as strong as this one. I, for one, am very upset that you said almost no positive things about the ride, and If you had the chance to experience the attraction, you wouldn't have made such a negative article. Why not do a column of emails praising the attraction, and the hard work put into it, rather than shoot it down. This is, in no way, a hate email, or anything like that, and I will continue to read your site, but, after reading that article, your sincerity as writer dropped some points to me, and I would really appreciate it if you put some positive about Mission SPACE into some of your articles...
Thanks a lot, and please be civil and respond
Patrick.
here is what he said back
Patrick --
Thanks for your note this morning ... But I think you need to understand something: I'm a reporter. So when I hear negative (as well as positive) things about a Disney theme park attraction, I write about them. My job isn't to make execs of the Walt Disney Company happy and/or please the hardcore Disneyana community. Just inform JHM readers.
So -- as you can see -- I'm really not out of win any popularity contests, Patrick. So when all the other Disney web sites were printing glowing reviews of "Mission: Space" and yet I had friends -- in particular veteran Disney World employees who are well wired into what's actually going on at Epcot -- telling me that there were some real problems with that attraction, I listened.
(RULE NO. 1 OF REPORTING ... Don't follow the mob. The real stories are usually in the opposite direction.)
Anyway ... I first heard about people getting sick on "Mission: Space" back during the middle of June. But -- rather than rush that news into print -- I spent several weeks doing research. Talking with Disney cast members as well as other folks who work in the theme park industry about what they'd heard about the ride. I even interviewed the woman who had been made so sick by the ride. (Yes. She really exits. Mrs. J lives in Winter Park, is an annual passholder who usually loves everything that Disney builds but is now totally ed off that the Mouse would ever build anything that could make a guest suck as she got after riding "Mission: Space.")
Once I was sure that I had a solid story, I posted it on my site, Patrick. Not before.
I'm honestly glad that you enjoy "Mission: Space." And -- me personally -- I'm looking forward to riding the attraction when I visit the resort later this year.
But -- that said -- I'm not going to write "... a column of emails praising the attraction, and the hard work put into it" just to please the folks who may have been upset by Monday's article. Again, I'm not out to win any popularity contests, Patrick. I'm just trying to report the news.
You may not want to hear this, Patrick ... But "Mission: Space" DOES have some problems. And the Imagineers ARE now trying to address these problems before this Epcot attraction officially opens to the public on August 15th. I'll be intrigued to hear your thoughts about how the ride has changed since you first got to ride it back in June and what the attraction is like come the middle of August.
Sorry if this reply isn't perhaps as concrite as you were hoping, Patrick. But I do stand by this story.
Best Regards,
Jim Hill
Hi Jim,
My Name Is Patrick, and just to give you a little information about myself. Im 15 years old and live in Orlando. I have been on Mission Space many times, and I write Disney reports on WDWMAGIC.COM all the time, as im at the parks usually about 3 times a week. Anyway, I have been reading your sites articles and story's for quite awhile now. Mission:SPACE being my favorite ride, I couldn't wait to read your newest article. Well, I wasn't very pleased Jim. To tell the truth, the points you brought up in that article were, well, pointless. I had never had nothing to compare your articles to the reality of anything Disney as strong as this one. I, for one, am very upset that you said almost no positive things about the ride, and If you had the chance to experience the attraction, you wouldn't have made such a negative article. Why not do a column of emails praising the attraction, and the hard work put into it, rather than shoot it down. This is, in no way, a hate email, or anything like that, and I will continue to read your site, but, after reading that article, your sincerity as writer dropped some points to me, and I would really appreciate it if you put some positive about Mission SPACE into some of your articles...
Thanks a lot, and please be civil and respond
Patrick.
here is what he said back
Patrick --
Thanks for your note this morning ... But I think you need to understand something: I'm a reporter. So when I hear negative (as well as positive) things about a Disney theme park attraction, I write about them. My job isn't to make execs of the Walt Disney Company happy and/or please the hardcore Disneyana community. Just inform JHM readers.
So -- as you can see -- I'm really not out of win any popularity contests, Patrick. So when all the other Disney web sites were printing glowing reviews of "Mission: Space" and yet I had friends -- in particular veteran Disney World employees who are well wired into what's actually going on at Epcot -- telling me that there were some real problems with that attraction, I listened.
(RULE NO. 1 OF REPORTING ... Don't follow the mob. The real stories are usually in the opposite direction.)
Anyway ... I first heard about people getting sick on "Mission: Space" back during the middle of June. But -- rather than rush that news into print -- I spent several weeks doing research. Talking with Disney cast members as well as other folks who work in the theme park industry about what they'd heard about the ride. I even interviewed the woman who had been made so sick by the ride. (Yes. She really exits. Mrs. J lives in Winter Park, is an annual passholder who usually loves everything that Disney builds but is now totally ed off that the Mouse would ever build anything that could make a guest suck as she got after riding "Mission: Space.")
Once I was sure that I had a solid story, I posted it on my site, Patrick. Not before.
I'm honestly glad that you enjoy "Mission: Space." And -- me personally -- I'm looking forward to riding the attraction when I visit the resort later this year.
But -- that said -- I'm not going to write "... a column of emails praising the attraction, and the hard work put into it" just to please the folks who may have been upset by Monday's article. Again, I'm not out to win any popularity contests, Patrick. I'm just trying to report the news.
You may not want to hear this, Patrick ... But "Mission: Space" DOES have some problems. And the Imagineers ARE now trying to address these problems before this Epcot attraction officially opens to the public on August 15th. I'll be intrigued to hear your thoughts about how the ride has changed since you first got to ride it back in June and what the attraction is like come the middle of August.
Sorry if this reply isn't perhaps as concrite as you were hoping, Patrick. But I do stand by this story.
Best Regards,
Jim Hill
sillyspook13
Well-Known Member
Yeah..... some research.
sillyspook13
Well-Known Member
From what I've heard, most of the diziness or disorientation isn't felt until about 30-45 minutes after the ride. And many people say that the gravity wheel is what made them sick!:hurl:
ThreeCircles
Member
I was lucky enough to ride Mission:SPACE on the 4th of July and can happily report that the entire experience was awesom. I did not feel ANY spinning sensation nor did I feel sick in any way.
Also, I think Mr. Hill's explanation of what he "writes" and why he writes it is a little slanted. He may not be writing to please the Walt Disney Co execs (as if they pay attention to any one reporter anyway) but he IS writing to keep himself in a profession. He speaks as if he is completly unbiased. I just don't know if that's actually possible for anyone.
Also, I think Mr. Hill's explanation of what he "writes" and why he writes it is a little slanted. He may not be writing to please the Walt Disney Co execs (as if they pay attention to any one reporter anyway) but he IS writing to keep himself in a profession. He speaks as if he is completly unbiased. I just don't know if that's actually possible for anyone.
JimiThing1
New Member
I first rode the attraction two times back in the middle of June.
First time I rode it I was quite disoriented when getting off and really didn't want to ride it again. I met some friends and they wanted to immediately and go ride it again. So I wetn with them and then once I got off the second time that is when I got severely disoriented and almost into a drunken like state. I felt really weird and my mind would not stop spinning. Each time I rode i kept my head back and everything and still ended up feeling this way. I then later about 2 hours later went home and just stuck my finger down my throat (I know its gross) and just let it all out. I did have lunch that day at about 12pm and rode it a little after 5.
I have since then have ridden it a total of two times (once sat. and once sun.) over the weekend and walked off perfectly fine. I believe they have made some minor changes to the ride if I am not experiencing the same effects that I had the first times I rode it.
First time I rode it I was quite disoriented when getting off and really didn't want to ride it again. I met some friends and they wanted to immediately and go ride it again. So I wetn with them and then once I got off the second time that is when I got severely disoriented and almost into a drunken like state. I felt really weird and my mind would not stop spinning. Each time I rode i kept my head back and everything and still ended up feeling this way. I then later about 2 hours later went home and just stuck my finger down my throat (I know its gross) and just let it all out. I did have lunch that day at about 12pm and rode it a little after 5.
I have since then have ridden it a total of two times (once sat. and once sun.) over the weekend and walked off perfectly fine. I believe they have made some minor changes to the ride if I am not experiencing the same effects that I had the first times I rode it.
DarkMeasures
New Member
I was at the Magic Kingdom, hoop de do, and magic kingdom again that day.
Centrifugeer
New Member
I don't think the problem with Mr. Hill is that he's writing about one of the negative issues of M: S. He's perfectly correct to expose such issues as a journalist. What I disagree with is that he's blowing the issue way out of proportion, making the proverbial mountain from the molehill. Additionally, he's stretching the truth to foment some classic FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt).
People get sick in cars. People get sick on boats. Is that the car's fault or the boat's fault? Nope. Is it the engineer's fault who designed the car or boat? Hardly. It's no secret that humans acclimate themselves to motion differently. Some are more sensitive and susceptible to certain kinds of motions; motions that will make them ill. Fortunately, the percentage of folks that do have that problem is a small one. Motion sickness is not an issue for the majority.
Because of that susceptibility in the minority, people are going to get sick on M: S. That's just a fact and it's not a problem that the Imagineers or M: S have created. People who are susceptible to motion sickness simply need to be honest with themselves. Imagineering has taken mutiple and numerous steps to deal with the sickness factor such as the warnings, insuring proper synchroniztion of the capsule motion and video, and adjusting the internal airflow of the capsule and the temperature in the ride rooms (since a capsule simply circulates ride room air and doesn't contain any AC equipment.).
However, no matter what they do and no matter how many adjustments they make, people are going to get dizzy, disoriented, and downright sick occasionally on M: S. It's a ride that puts quite a bit of stress on a human body for goodness sake. It must be expected. One in a thousand blowing chunks is not a tragedy though, nor would problems with an extremely small minority cause Disney to shut down a ride that is going to be as wildly popular such as M: S. The majority shouldn't have to and won't have to suffer for the sake of a small minority. The small minority simply needs to be honest with themselves, realize they are susceptible to motion sickness problems, and stay away from M: S.
I'm also a bit miffed with one of his statements in reply to ISTCrew20:
Maybe Mr Hill is not aware of this, but M: S is one of the most problem-free ride that the Imagineers have ever constructed. In many ways, the design, construction, and delivery of M: S set some history in the Imagineering department. The Imagineers designed it, put it together and it worked with very little in the way of redesign and retooling required. There were a few major problems along the way but they were solved long, long ago before people even began riding M: S.
Are there still some small problems? Sure. There are small aesthetic, presentation, maintenance, and operational routine issues that are being addressed. It's nothing out of the norm though. Wait. I take that back. The issues, in a way, ARE out of the norm. Normally, prior to a ride opening the Imagineers are dealing with major issues. Issues that impact whether or not a ride will open on schedule and issues concerning whether or not the ride meets the requirements set forth in the design specifications (think: TT). M: S has no such issues. On M: S the Imagineers are done with the heavy lifting and are dealing with the little ly stuff; detailed issues that usually don't get dealt with until long after a ride is open, if ever.
So don't allow Mr. Hill to put any kind of scare into you. Keep in mind that he's a journalist and just doing what so many journalists do - overhyping an issue to generate readership. Just read his stuff with a grain of salt. Then grab a pinch of that salt, throw it over your shoulder and make a wish.
pssst....I bet I know what your wish will be.
People get sick in cars. People get sick on boats. Is that the car's fault or the boat's fault? Nope. Is it the engineer's fault who designed the car or boat? Hardly. It's no secret that humans acclimate themselves to motion differently. Some are more sensitive and susceptible to certain kinds of motions; motions that will make them ill. Fortunately, the percentage of folks that do have that problem is a small one. Motion sickness is not an issue for the majority.
Because of that susceptibility in the minority, people are going to get sick on M: S. That's just a fact and it's not a problem that the Imagineers or M: S have created. People who are susceptible to motion sickness simply need to be honest with themselves. Imagineering has taken mutiple and numerous steps to deal with the sickness factor such as the warnings, insuring proper synchroniztion of the capsule motion and video, and adjusting the internal airflow of the capsule and the temperature in the ride rooms (since a capsule simply circulates ride room air and doesn't contain any AC equipment.).
However, no matter what they do and no matter how many adjustments they make, people are going to get dizzy, disoriented, and downright sick occasionally on M: S. It's a ride that puts quite a bit of stress on a human body for goodness sake. It must be expected. One in a thousand blowing chunks is not a tragedy though, nor would problems with an extremely small minority cause Disney to shut down a ride that is going to be as wildly popular such as M: S. The majority shouldn't have to and won't have to suffer for the sake of a small minority. The small minority simply needs to be honest with themselves, realize they are susceptible to motion sickness problems, and stay away from M: S.
I'm also a bit miffed with one of his statements in reply to ISTCrew20:
Maybe Mr Hill is not aware of this, but M: S is one of the most problem-free ride that the Imagineers have ever constructed. In many ways, the design, construction, and delivery of M: S set some history in the Imagineering department. The Imagineers designed it, put it together and it worked with very little in the way of redesign and retooling required. There were a few major problems along the way but they were solved long, long ago before people even began riding M: S.
Are there still some small problems? Sure. There are small aesthetic, presentation, maintenance, and operational routine issues that are being addressed. It's nothing out of the norm though. Wait. I take that back. The issues, in a way, ARE out of the norm. Normally, prior to a ride opening the Imagineers are dealing with major issues. Issues that impact whether or not a ride will open on schedule and issues concerning whether or not the ride meets the requirements set forth in the design specifications (think: TT). M: S has no such issues. On M: S the Imagineers are done with the heavy lifting and are dealing with the little ly stuff; detailed issues that usually don't get dealt with until long after a ride is open, if ever.
So don't allow Mr. Hill to put any kind of scare into you. Keep in mind that he's a journalist and just doing what so many journalists do - overhyping an issue to generate readership. Just read his stuff with a grain of salt. Then grab a pinch of that salt, throw it over your shoulder and make a wish.
pssst....I bet I know what your wish will be.
Nintendo18
New Member
After going on Mission space i felt dizzy for maybe 5 minutes if not even that long. The dizzyness left when i was focused on playing mission space race.
DarkMeasures
New Member
I played as an astronaut 3 times and won each time. My team would always be first the whole race!
M:S experience
First, my M:S experience. I rode twice in a rather short time period, and did not want to ride again to quickly, though I did want to come back. Whereas my 13 year old son noticed no ill effects, I had a very slight "funny fealing." I had no sence of spinning, and shouldn't because your really going mostly sideways, and forward. I did try to sit back, look forward and just enjoy the experience. What I did notice, and cotributed to most of my "funny feeling" was a physio/optical illusion: the clouds and other images seemed to slide sideways on the monitor as we slowed down. I am guessing that has to do with my inner ear sending messages to my brain. I felt a little odd right after the ride, but the post ride area is so great I got over it quickly.
Second, the article: I think his comments about "many problems" are mixing a few people getting ill with other minor problems that have nothing to do with sickness, such as a problem with a wire (one along the miles of wire inside) and an amplifier that delayed opening (along with a surprise inspection) on July 23rd. And perhaps it's not motion sickness, per say, at all. Maybe some people just can't handle the G's.
First, my M:S experience. I rode twice in a rather short time period, and did not want to ride again to quickly, though I did want to come back. Whereas my 13 year old son noticed no ill effects, I had a very slight "funny fealing." I had no sence of spinning, and shouldn't because your really going mostly sideways, and forward. I did try to sit back, look forward and just enjoy the experience. What I did notice, and cotributed to most of my "funny feeling" was a physio/optical illusion: the clouds and other images seemed to slide sideways on the monitor as we slowed down. I am guessing that has to do with my inner ear sending messages to my brain. I felt a little odd right after the ride, but the post ride area is so great I got over it quickly.
Second, the article: I think his comments about "many problems" are mixing a few people getting ill with other minor problems that have nothing to do with sickness, such as a problem with a wire (one along the miles of wire inside) and an amplifier that delayed opening (along with a surprise inspection) on July 23rd. And perhaps it's not motion sickness, per say, at all. Maybe some people just can't handle the G's.