M:S re-ride-ability...

Dr Albert Falls

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Some have questioned whether Mission:Space is one of those rides you'll want to ride multiple times every visit--- or whether it quickly will become a "been-there,done-that" attraction.

I've now ridden M:S nearly a dozen times (and I know others have logged many many more trips). Like many other Disney attractions, you keep noticing small details each time you ride-- both in the attraction itself, and in the technical marvel that it is.

The film itself has so many details. The birds flying over the launch pad, the smoke billowing alongside of you, the landing strip on Mars, etc. (oh yeah, and who build that landing strip if you're the first manned mission to Mars?!?!?!) Anyway, you're so consumed with the PHYSICAL sensation that visual details are too much to comprehend the first few trips.

Only after several repeat visits do you notice what's playing on the small video monitor mounted next to the "window". Throughout the flight, it shows you what the X-2 looks like at that moment (ie, stage separation, shield deployment, wings extended, etc)

You also appreciate the detail of the capsule itself. Some of the switches activate lights, you just gotta play with em. And there's so much buried dialogue in the Mission Control radio chatter.

I also think the unique exhilaration of the G-forces and the physical sensations will make for repeat visits. I can only compare it to the LAUNCH of Rock-n-Roller Coaster. (I think many people consider RnRC a pretty basic coaster, with minimal theming inside. But that high speed launch with the pulsing music is what gives RnRC its high re-ridability factor.)

Stepping back from the attraction itself, I think it takes multiple visits to really appreciate the OPERATION of this attraction. First of all, the amazing choreography of the CMs, who are able to shuffle people through this unusual ride system. (It appears a CM is responsible for opening the doors to the preshow area and escorting groups to the capsule boarding area ("the circle"). As soon as the previous ride completes, that same CM must run inside the centrifuge and help departing guests out. They must then quickly help the new riders into the capsules, check their harnesses, and close the cabin doors. Quickly. Finally, those same CMs must hurry BACK to the pre-show area to begin escorting another group of riders to "the circle". In other words, THEY'RE CONSTANTLY ON THE RUN!)

Even technical details like how the doors on either end of a capsule swing open in opposite directions. One door swings inward, preventing BOARDING guests from walking into the middle of the centrifuge. The other door swings outward, allowing DEPARTING guests room to walk INTO the center and eventually to the exit doors in between capules.

You also may notice dumb trivial details like how when you're assigned your jobs in the boarding area "circle"--- the seating arrangement is actually a mirror opposite of the "standing" arrangement. (ie, the guy standing on the far LEFT of the boarding area sits in the far RIGHT of the capsule) Disney had to think this out and create the preshow videos long before concrete was ever poured at Epcot.

Part of the fun is also listening to other riders enthusiastic reactions-- both during the ride and afterwards. Like a movie that seems funnier when more people in the theater are laughing, a bunch of talkative "co-pilots" makes M:S more exciting.

In terms of re-ridability and noticing new details, M:S is certainly no Pirates of the Caribbean or Haunted Mansion (20 years later, I'm STILL noticing new details on those!) But M:S does have a lot more going for it than any of the 3D movies, Star Tours, and other film/sensory/simulator attractions.
 

mkt

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I've ridden it 33 times and want to ride it more...

it most definitely has re-rideability
 

wdwmagic

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Originally posted by Dr Albert Falls
the landing strip on Mars, etc. (oh yeah, and who build that landing strip if you're the first manned mission to Mars?!?!?!)

In the pre-boarding briefing (preshow 2), CAPCOM says that robotic teams have established the landing site on Mars. :)
 

ToTBellHop

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It's certainly as re-rideable as the Tower of Terror, since this ride is planned to change every couple of years. I mean, pretty much every other ride at wdw never changes and we keep riding, so I would think the re-rideability factor on this ride would be greater than most other wdw rides. Do you say "been there, done that" to Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, Pirates of the Caribbean, or the Haunted Mansion? They never change. It's a genuine E-Ride, and they pretty much never get old...thus, the lines.
 

wdwmagic

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Originally posted by DogsRule!
It's certainly as re-rideable as the Tower of Terror, since this ride is planned to change every couple of years. I mean, pretty much every other ride at wdw never changes and we keep riding, so I would think the re-rideability factor on this ride would be greater than most other wdw rides. Do you say "been there, done that" to Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, Pirates of the Caribbean, or the Haunted Mansion? They never change. It's a genuine E-Ride, and they pretty much never get old...thus, the lines.

Who told you its planned to be changed every couple of years? While the ride system being a simulator certainly supports that, the changes needed to the preshows, changes to the onboard visuals, and the complexity of the motion profiles would lead me to believe that it will be similar to Star Tours, in that it wont change that often. I certainly have not heard anything from any of the people involved closely with Space that they are planning changes every few years.

Tower of Terror is comparitively easy to change, as there are no changes needed to preshows, no changes needed to visuals, and no complex issues surrounding the motion.
 

PhotoDave219

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Originally posted by wdwmagic
Who told you its planned to be changed every couple of years? While the ride system being a simulator certainly supports that, the changes needed to the preshows, changes to the onboard visuals, and the complexity of the motion profiles would lead me to believe that it will be similar to Star Tours, in that it wont change that often. I certainly have not heard anything from any of the people involved closely with Space that they are planning changes every few years.

Not to totally drift here, but i heard (cant remember where and i hope it wasnt JHM) that the reason Star Tours was never updated is because of a rift between Lucas and Disney. Steve, do you know of any truth to this? Well, not like it matters much because IMO, if you put a new film in there you will kill the ride.

Now when i went to MGM in november, i think that the quene area is in need of major rehab & some of the actual simulators. Theres lots of wear and tear, things need a fixin. While the millenium falcon didnt look like much but had a lot where it counts, the ride mechanics were just jerky as all get out.

Alright, back to thread....

The only problem i see with rerideablity of M:S is lines. The lucky few guenna pigs and the CMs who have ridden it over and over again are the lucky ones. Theyve been able to ride it without any 3 hour line. Thats about to change.... I'm sure MS will be a great ride, and i'm sure i'll want to ride it again and again. But will i be able to because of everyone in the state of florida is in line ahead of me!??
 

CTXRover

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Originally posted by PhotoDave219
The only problem i see with rerideablity of M:S is lines. The lucky few guenna pigs and the CMs who have ridden it over and over again are the lucky ones. Theyve been able to ride it without any 3 hour line. Thats about to change.... I'm sure MS will be a great ride, and i'm sure i'll want to ride it again and again. But will i be able to because of everyone in the state of florida is in line ahead of me!??

I imagine the lines will get very long, however, when only two of the four centrifuges were working lately, the line kept moving and hardly ever stopped, making a 45 minute wait seem extremely short. Unlike TT where an hour to 90 minute wait can mean standing in one place for long periods at a time, MS line was continuosly moving. Now imagine 4 of those centrifuges working at full capacity. I imagine one or two will be reserved for fastpass, but that means at least two will always be reserved for Standby (if that is how they are going to work it, I don't know for sure), meaning the line should always be moving pretty well when it opens to full capacity. Sure, who wants to wait 3 hours for ANY ride, but I don't see the waits ever getting that long. In fact, I don't think they even have enough queue to hold a 3 hour line (again, could be wrong :) ).

As for re-rideability, I guarantee that you will miss a lot of what makes this attraction and ride so incredible should you only ride it a few times. The detail in the ride from the visuals, to the sounds, to the feelings to the amazing detail in the capsules can't be taken in with one or two or even three rides. Considering it is a simulator, it could never have the detail of Pirates or HM, but I think it is probably the most highly detailed "thrill" attraction ever created.

I am still in awe that the "intimate level" of what I experience is experienced by 160 people at the same time. It really seems that its just the four of us in that capsule that are "blasting into space" and not that 156 others are to (if you understand what I'm trying to get at :lol: ). Its really incredible to step back and think about how massive this thing really is.
 

Dr Albert Falls

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Case in point about re-ridability-- I hadn't yet caught that "robotic teams have established the landing site on Mars." Thanks Steve!

As for changing the film in the future, there's no NEED to. The current film gives you a quick sampling of everything the simulator is capable of producing. Lift-off, Zero-G, flying over the earth, dodging asteroids, re-entry, soaring across a planet, and landing.

Seriously, what did they LEAVE OUT? Sure, you could change the planet from Mars to Saturn, but why would that make the ride any better and justify the cost of doing so?

Short of turning M:S into a Star Tours-like fantasy adventure with lazer guns, explosions, and futuristic space stations-- there's not much else you can really add. M:S is a true-as-you-can-get-to-real-life simulation of space flight.

Plus, this is Disney we're talking about. When the original Fantasmic opened, I read an article in Disney Magazine saying they could change the show every few years. Never happened. Somebody already mentioned Star Tours. It took 25 years for them to update the Tiki Room show. Even Disneyland's popular "Haunted Mansion Holiday" makeover has no immediate plans to come to WDW. So why would they alter a $100 million dollar ride anytime soon?

20 years from now they might replace Gary Sinise with a more contemporary actor. By that time, though, M:S technology will probably be as outdated and cheaply reproduced as Star Tours is today.
 

wdwmagic

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Originally posted by Dr Albert Falls
Case in point about re-ridability-- I hadn't yet caught that "robotic teams have established the landing site on Mars." Thanks Steve!

As for changing the film in the future, there's no NEED to. The current film gives you a quick sampling of everything the simulator is capable of producing. Lift-off, Zero-G, flying over the earth, dodging asteroids, re-entry, soaring across a planet, and landing.

Seriously, what did they LEAVE OUT? Sure, you could change the planet from Mars to Saturn, but why would that make the ride any better and justify the cost of doing so?

I totally agree with you, some new visuals are not going to make a siginificant differences to the attraction.

LOL it is bizarre we are even having this conversation when the ride hasnt event opened! :)

Oh another one to add to your list of changes that didnt happen - Rock n RollerCoaster. I seem to remember having the same discussions back then, that the band would be switched out every year or so to take in the latest trend.

I really think it is the case that with these great rides, they tend to be right the first time around, and there really isnt anything that can be done to them to improve the experience. ToT4 is probably the only exception.
 

The_CEO

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If WDI builds the ride to be compatiable like ToT... Then it will be other then that. M:S wouldnt be the same without Gary, whos complaining? People will ride again if the wait is down. After waiting 2 hours for Shrek at USF I wasnt too happy. Disney is doing the right thing.
 

SparklyGem

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I was lucky enough to ride it a few weeks ago but I was really disappointed. It wasn't as exciting as I'd first anticipated and as for re-rideability - I wouldn't wait in a three hour queue for it! And now I do just feel - well been there done that!
 

RobVanDam

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Real quick .... exactly what do the G-Forces measure out to??? .. And exactly how do they produce such great forces without the centrifuge without actually moving at great speed forward..?
 

RobVanDam

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Originally posted by The_CEO
It spins and you get pressed against the back of the pod. About 30 MPH


So thats why people get motion sick .. :hammer: So what would be the best thing to do on the ride .. keep staring at the monitor? and if you begin to feel sick , stare at the joystick?
 

The_CEO

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No its the people who lift their head off the head rest and turn and look sideways. It thows your Libriam off causing dissiness.
 

ArsonWinter

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Originally posted by Dr Albert Falls
It took 25 years for them to update the Tiki Room show.

Birds that sing don't change as often as the space program. Not to say that this is going to change every few years, but it could. Plus, hey, in 25 years, maybe Mars won't be as exotic, or maybe trends in science will show that Mars isn't inhabitable as we once thought.

In any case, the simulator movie itself seems easier to update than Star Tours or Body Wars, and the queue could change as well. Not to mention the nature of the attraction's post-show, which I would like to see change every few years to match-up with the space program.
 

The_CEO

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Hence I name, Universe Of Energy had a rehab to Ellen. Tiki got an update. Others also I havent mentioned. Its just up to its popularity. M:S is an experiance not an attraction.
 

Dayma

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I highly doubt that Disney will change the ride every couple of years. What else have they done this with? Star Tours and Body Wars has never changed and I would put them in the same class as far as technology goes..
 

Budke

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The reason why the simulator attractions haven't been modified is because of the technology used. StarTours and BodyWars use projected film, not digital technology, for the main screen. It wouldn't take much work to modify the system to pitch and roll in a different way, but the film is the film. Why change it out for another film with the same limitations.

Whether Disney/Lucas actually had a falling out or not, I'm sure the goal of a new StarTours would be to base the ride on digital technology instead of analog. Then, StarTours (at all locations) could follow the ToT model. A new ridefilm. Then, a second destination. Until finally you never quite know where the litte robot is going to take you when he hits light speed.

Mission: Space can follow this path if interest in the attraction ever wavers (Note: I've never ridden the ride so all this is beyond personal speculation): The emergency in the middle of the ride could change and be one of several scenarios. This wouldn't change the ride profile at all, but it would give repeat visitors a surprise.

And if you could think of two other exciting endings, those could switch out as well, giving you more variations than the ToT (even as the vast majority of the ride stays the same).

That's the great thing about digital ride control. By changing just a few details, you can keep the regular visitors as excited as those who only visit every few years.

Now they just have to figure out how to do this to a coaster. Oh wait, they did with CyberSpace Mountain.
 

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