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Low Pay Buys Poor Quality in Theme Park Employees

cherrynegra

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Low Pay Buys Poor Quality in Theme Park Employees

Low pay in the theme park industry is driving high turn-over among ride operators. And that leaves the public at risk.

By Robert Niles
Themepark Insider

Theme parks should have learned their lesson by now. But too many parks continue to treat their ride operators like disposable parts -- spend as little as possible on them, and when one fails, go get another. Not only does that attitude result in lousy guest service, it's injuring and even killing the industry's customers.

Want the latest example? Read the State of California's report laying much of the blame for the most recent injury accident at Disneyland's Thunder Mountain roller coaster on a newly-trained employee. That individual, on his third day at the attraction, screwed up the procedure for storing a train, leading to an on-track collision which sent four to the hospital. An experienced operator would not have made that simple mistake. Had a long-time employee been in the coaster's control tower that evening, not only would those four visitors been spared the pain and expense of their injuries, Disneyland would not have had to close one of its more popular rides for the past two months. Closing Thunder certainly didn't help Disney's summer attendance, which some Wall Street analysts described as flat to disappointing.

Didn't Disneyland learn anything from the Christmas Eve accident in 1998 which killed a park guest? In that incident, an untrained supervisor tried to stop the multi-ton Sailing Ship Columbia with a plastic mooring rope. The rope tore a cleat from the ship's hull, launching it into a waiting crowd on the dock. Theme park rides involve sophisticated, heavy equipment with the capacity to main and kill those who get in their way. But the theme park industry continues to pay ride operators like unskilled go'fers, offering starting wages at or barely above minimum wage, with few opportunities in place to encourage workers to stay beyond a single summer.

Disney once tried to get its best ride ops to stay. At one time, many of the company's mid- and upper-level managers got their start with the company working "on stage" at Disneyland or Walt Disney World. But Disney's elimination of leads in the mid-1990s closed the path that ride workers once walked toward management. Many of my former coworkers at Disney World chose to leave the company at that time, since they didn't see any future with Disney anymore.

No one expects parks to pay their ride operators enough money to make loading a roller coaster a lifelong career. But parks owe their customers an experienced workforce that keeps rides running, keeps customers safe and keeps wait times as short and as pleasant as can be. To do that, theme parks need to take a hard look at their budgets and find ways to offer enough pay to attract high quality ride ops who are willing to stick around a while.

I'll confess, I was pretty worthless my first summer working attractions at Disney World's Magic Kingdom. Allow me this chance to apologize to those unlucky guests stuck on my raft while I floundered about trying to coax my raft over to Tom Sawyer's Island. All the while another group waited on the Island for me to take them back, and wait times for rafts creeped toward an hour.

But I came back at Christmas. And for two summers after that. My last year at Disney, I made lead on Tom Sawyer's Island, and I used my frustration trying to learn how to drive those rafts to change the training procedure for new drivers. After watching crowds trying to cram onto rafts for a couple summers, I changed the layout of the docks' waiting areas and worked with other departments to change the design of our queue. And by the time I finished, Tom Sawyer's Island had doubled the number of guests visiting each hour, slashed wait times, and moved from last place to first in the park's annual quality competition. Would that have happened without me? Maybe, but it certainly would not have happened with a crew of new hires, overseen by an untrained supervisor with no park operations experience.

Well-trained, experienced operators represent a theme park's best investment in guest safety and enjoyment. Many of my fellow cast members at Disney bragged about their ability to spot folks who would hold up an attraction before the got to the loading platform: a sniffling kid about ready to cry, an anxious teen who might hop the loading line. The employees moved aggressively, but always politely, to tell folks the rules, comfort kids who needed it and project an image of authority that would keep the crowd, literally, in line. But it was their months and years of experience that helped them spot potential problems and address them before they slowed the line or shut down the attraction.

When parks cut corners on attractions personnel, balance sheets look good in the short term. But visitors leave the park complaining of long lines and inattentive or surly employees. And that's the best case scenario.

My last summer at Disney World, I also trained new hires on Pirates of the Caribbean. One of the many new employees I trained simply wasn't understanding all the procedures for restarting the ride after a downtime. After five days of training, I felt this employee still didn't understand how to operate the attraction safely. So I refused, as his trainer, to check him out and ask the lead to approve him to work the attraction. Unfortunately, my lead overruled me, and allowed the new hire to go into the rotation.

A few weeks later, in May, 1990, a boat caught on the flume wall at the bottom of the ride's drop, tripping a sensor and stopping the next boat at the top of the hill. That employee whom I'd refused to let be checked out was sent to see what had happened. He forgot to check the bottom of the flume, assumed that the sensor had tripped accidentally (which it often did) and manually released the boat at the top of the drop.

Down on to heads of the people in the boat below. When I arrived the next morning, I ran into several area managers who'd been at the park all night, filling out reports and checking on the progress of injured guests. And that's when another lead told me these details about what had happened. (No was killed, thank goodness.)

Let's not single out Disney. Competitors, including Six Flags, Cedar Fair and Universal, also have pled poverty when setting or negotiating contracts for their ride operators. It's time to stop. Theme parks are losing customers to an untold number of entertainment alternatives. The industry cannot afford preventable accidents resulting in injury or death. Nor can it afford to treat customers with anything less than the respect, courtesy and honest effort that high-quality service employees can deliver. Maybe its time for theme parks to cut back on press junkets and executive salaries and throw a few extra bucks at their most important employees -- ride ops. And to open pathways to management for the best ops employees. And find more ways to encourage good ride ops to come back for another year.

Promotions, parades and new thrill rides get people in the gates. But it is the reliable smiles of a park's employees, the competence of their work, and their steady hands on the tiller which keep guests satisfied and returning, year after year. Theme parks that shortchange their ride ops endanger their guests... and their companies' futures.
 

FutureCEO

Well-Known Member
Lets take this thread a little furthur to all companies....its the same thing wheather you work at Disney, Universal, BJ's or Wal*Mart. Low Pay plus the managers always siding with customers on how "customers are always right." It has to stop becuase you will get disgruntled employees and that will lead to disgrunlted customers. A high turnover rate and more complaints.
 

FamilyMan

Account Suspended
I see it as a large problem that needs to be fixed. You should be able to work your way up in a company. The morale goes down when you don't. I mean, why try to do your best when no good can become of it? Sure, we have nice CMs now that just love Disney and the Disney way, but that way is slowly leaving us. And it's showing now at Disneyland Resort. Here we go again, another reason why we need upper-level management change.
 

Woody13

New Member
se8472 said:
you would be surpised how rude rich people can be...its not the pay...and it never will be.
You're right se8472, it's not the pay. Titles are much more important! First of all, Disney employees are given the title of "Cast Member". That CM title makes you important right off the bat! Of course, Wal-Mart does the same thing and calls its employees, "Associates". Well, new employees really groove on those many different and interesting Disney job titles such as Attractions Host, Parking Host, Global Training Facilitator, Vacation Planner, Team Leader, Project Leader, Imagineer, Pageant Helper, Parade Coordinator, and my favorite, 2nd Unit Smell Supervisor.

Who wants pay, when you can have a prestigious job title? When you meet a new person and they ask you, "What do you do for a living?", then you can shoot right back, "I work for the Walt Disney Company and I'm the 2nd Unit Smell Supervisor.". Heck, there's not much more satisfaction to be had in the world than that!
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
The secret to being a good CM:

Don't take yourself seriously. Take the job seriously.

You're probably making $7 or less an hour. For that crap pay, you can definitely afford to have some fun at your job, because you know what? If you lose it, you can turn around and go to McDonalds and GET PAID MORE. Or if you want to keep in the same field, you have 2 other equally qualified theme park operators within a 15 mile drive of WDW that would love to have another ex-Disney CM on their payroll.

Now if Disney were paying say... $9/hr starting for full time, and topped out higher, then that would definitely attract more quality applicants, as well as provide incentive to stay there longer.

Not all CM's are like Dani, content with their jobs. In fact, most are NOT. Dani is in the minority here. Most CM's in their job feel like:

A- Disney doesn't care about them
B- They can easily be replaced
C- Their management doesn't care about them
D- They have nowhere else to go

This is very VERY sad, but things will be changing, especially now that current and ex-CM's aren't scared of the mouse and WILL be making their complaints heard.

This is the internet Disney, and it can be the biggest pain in your ______ ever. Take the moral high ground. admit that mistakes were made, and FIX them.

Or do I have to go public about some cleanliness issues around WDW causing cast illnesses across property?
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
That is correct. The ones that take themselves seriously end up as middle management and go bald. The ones that don't take themselves seriously become directors/executives and get a head of long luxurious hippie hair.

Asskissing helps a lot with that too
 

rosebud's mom

Active Member
No, I would not be surprised at how rude rich people can be, and their children are even worse. That comes from the mentality, I have more money than you - therefore I am a better person and deserve to be treated as such. And pay is a large part of the problem as well. Its another link in the chain that keeps the haves and the have-nots apart. Titles - like Cast Member, or Wally World's Associate - hearken back to the days of "house-boy" and "best girl" before the Civil War. the truly sad thing is that now, like then, there are so many who are satisfied with and will fight to get a meaningless title. Have you ever been at Wal Mart when they hold one of their "morning meetings" ? they look like a pack of zombies responding to the master's voice ! ( never mind how frustrating it is if you need assistance while they stand in a circle cheering and clapping.)

Unfortunately, in our society, adequate pay and recognition are seldom given simply to those who deserve it. There is SO much wrong in the problem that it cannot be addressed succinctly in a forum such as this.

I do, however, agree that every company needs to realize that the little guy on the bottom forms the foundation that holds those above him in status up. If you don't pay well enough/offer enough incentives to keep quality people filling those slots, your foundation begins to crumble. No company these days is safe from collapse.

I try to acknowledge the CMs every chance I get. I know it doesn't help their take-home check, but at least they know someone appreciates them.
 

WDWScottieBoy

Well-Known Member
se8472 said:
you would be surpised how rude rich people can be...its not the pay...and it never will be.

I'm going to take offense to this one, even if it wasn't meant to be that way. I'm going to be honest and I don't care how anyone takes this, but please listen to me first before you make a generalization about me as well. My family comes is what everyone would call "filthy rich." I hate talking about it because of the reason stated by se8472, that rich people are rude. That's way too general of a comment. My family's income is in the 7+ figures and if you knew my family, you'd see we are the most down to earth people you'd ever meet. We don't fluant our money or go and spend it and show it off. We stay on the down low with what we buy. Sure, we have a lot of things that most dream of having, but that doesn't make me nor my family rude. My dad could care less about his pay. He came from a really poor family and worked his way through college on his own income and has worked extremely hard for what he has now. Yeah, we have a large house, we all have our own nice cars, boat, 4-wheelers etc, but that means nothing. It's materials, not happiness. When we vacation, we don't stay at the GF or deluxe resorts because we feel no need to.

So, please don't assume ALL rich people are rude, because we aren't. Now, I'll just sit back and await my negative rep. points. [/rant]
 

Atta83

Well-Known Member
The pay does not bother me , I have had low paying jobs since I have been working. I started out at $5.15 my first job! That was tough!! But at the job I was at I was in HS but then later on worked my way up to becoming an Asst. Manager :). This was due to the good work I was doing:). But I think it is all in the attitude you have. I mean at least you are working at a theme park, I would never want to work retail again...that was not fun!
 

shello1113

Member
I can't speak from a cm point of view or the pay, or the way they are treated by the higher ups. BUT speaking as a loyal Disney vacationer, I must say I have always been amazed at how nice all of the employees at Disney are. I love how almost each ride has a different personality. I have a six flags close to home and go there frequently, but you can just ride the rides, the employees are goofing around with each other while working rides, the shows aren't nearly as involved. So, I always look forward to my next trip to Disney World (which is October 9-16) and if anyone has a suggestion of something to do to let the cm know they are appreciated, please let me know
 

rosebud's mom

Active Member
I saw an idea somewhere about a family that made cards on their computer ( using cardstock paper ) that said :

Thank You from the XXXX Family
You made our vacation extra special !

They left room to write in the date, and said they wrote special notes on the back of the cards for some CMs.
 

Pixie Duster

New Member
You choose your job. You know what the pay rate is before you even interview, it is told to you in Casting. If that is not enough for someone they have a choice.

Pay is not the problem. The pay has never been great. And no one in their right minds chooses a job in Hospitality because they want good pay. If they are not aware that Hospitality does not pay well beforehand, then as I have said they learn that when they go to Casting.
I am happy with my job because I choose to be. I am not going to be naive and ignore the fact that Disney is a HUGE business and the largest expense for a business is payroll. The pay may not be that great, but I have never worked for a company that gives you so many extras.

Oh and most people are not happy in their jobs, it's not just Disney. So no matter where I work or what workplace you look at, people like me tend to be the miniority anyhow.
 

Woody13

New Member
Pixie Duster said:
You choose your job. You know what the pay rate is before you even interview, it is told to you in Casting. If that is not enough for someone they have a choice.

Pay is not the problem. The pay has never been great. And no one in their right minds chooses a job in Hospitality because they want good pay. If they are not aware that Hospitality does not pay well beforehand, then as I have said they learn that when they go to Casting.
I am happy with my job because I choose to be. I am not going to be naive and ignore the fact that Disney is a HUGE business and the largest expense for a business is payroll. The pay may not be that great, but I have never worked for a company that gives you so many extras.

Oh and most people are not happy in their jobs, it's not just Disney. So no matter where I work or what workplace you look at, people like me tend to be the miniority anyhow.
:sohappy: Well said! Hope you interview me one day.:wave:
 

ClemsonTigger

Naturally Grumpy
Money by itself will never do it!

Having worked in Corporate America all my adult life, and having had responsibility over a large number of staff, one thing has become painfully clear to me; money won't make anyone happy at work. People that always think they should get more, those that worry what everyone else is making will never be satisfied. A week or two after getting that nice raise, people are back to their old line of complaining.

While I would like to see Disney pay their CM's at a premium rate...for the vastly superior job most do (and all are expected to do), I feel the bigger issue is respect. I do feel that is the one area much of corporate america has badly neglected in the last 10-15 years. While I don't know first hand, I would say that that is the next major area in need for rehab at Disney.

Those that are happy in their jobs are those that feel they are accomplishing something, that are content, that have their life in perspective will do their job regardless of salary. And God bless 'em as they will truly be able to enjoy their lives! :)
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
I agree entirely.

If you're gonna pay someone enough money to STILL qualify for government assistance, at least treat them with respect.
 

raven

Well-Known Member
Let's look at another park besides Disney. Cedar Point pays $6.30/hr to their employees, including ride operators. It's happening in every park. But don't blame the theam park companies, it's a whole government thing. It's cheaper to bring people from overseas to work there than it is to pay americans for some reason. This happens with other businesses as well.

Disney is different. You could pay more wages and have higher skilled people in those positions but they won't be true Disney people. REAL CMs are people who love Disney and everything about the company. The whole audition process (interview) weeds out people who simply want a job. If they were to put highly skilled workers in these positions, the guest service would not be there. I don't care if they go through classes or not. If someone is only there for the money, it shows. Disney is all about guest service. It comes first before anything else. But they train their CMs extensively in the area that they are working.

About a month ago, a coaster was stopped by a computer because an operator forgot to lock the safety harness on one car. But this didn't make the big news that everyone else seems to be wanting to hear. What happened at BTMR was simply bad luck. It's just that Disney always seems to make the news before anything else.

Check out http://www.rideaccidents.com/ for more info on accidents that you don't hear much about. There are tons!
 

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