Look,, if WDW is this crowded.. the OPEN A FIFTH PARK...

Coaster Lover

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thepirateking said:
There is another option. Build a 3rd domestic resort.
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I frequently wonder what Disney's America would look like today if it had happened. I feel like the fate of Disney's America would have been similar to DCA where the core concept of the park would have slowly degraded until it was lost completely and the park just became a dumping ground for I.P. (which is ironic in a way considering how many of the concepts developed for Disney's America eventually were repurposed for DCA). Along the same lines, I wonder if they would have eventually realized they needed a castle park there to get the attendance they wanted and would have built something along the initial size of Hong Kong as part of the VA property.
 
Heppenheimer

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Lands of Wonder said:
I think it’s time to bring in a New York location
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Or how about across Lake Ontario from NY state?

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I admit, this article had me excited for about three minutes before the reality hit me.
 
jloucks

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FettFan said:
Building a fifth park won’t aid in crowding.

It would actually make the crowding worse because there would be even more demand.

There are only two ways to alleviate overcrowding, and one of them (raising ticket prices) has been proven ineffective.
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This. So much this.

"Induced Demand" <--- what we would be dealing with if another park was built, or three.
 
jloucks

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Growth is not their intention.

Here’s where I’ll cut to the bone. I am on record as to tell people not to believe a DAMN word of what the Bob’s said.

Except believe they don’t really want to “grow” in park traffic. Sure…they want more people at what was long paid for…at maximum price. Blue ocean in practice.

They don’t want “less attendance”. Don’t be a fool. They want what’s already there filled to the gills…the ROI is so much better.

But they have ZERO desire to take on Longterm overhead to do it. You have to look at what they DON’T tell you to find the truth. Which is why so many praets get so frustrated when they’re proven wrong. That’s been going on for 15 years.

Trust you instincts/brain…hearts are for losers
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You might be right, I don't know for sure. Buuuut, (here it comes =P).... I cannot imaging that having a ton of people that spend little is better than having fewer people that spend more.

Let me put it another way. I am privileged, and accustomed to a certain level of peace and comfort in my choices of vacation destinations. I will spend $750 a day in the parks on crap, line cutting, and food without blinking an eye. What I will not do is spend a day anywhere in line or packed in with cranky people. I also know for a fact I am not alone and most of my peers feels the exact same way. I am thinking Disney needs to crank up all their prices and drive out the non-spenders if they want to max their ROI.

I, like many others, lol, swore off going back to WDW because of this-that-or the other. AAAaaad so, I of course went back last month when I was able to get Starcruiser tickets. Starcruiser was fine (not a mob scene), but I boo-booed and got some tickets to the park afterwords. The parks were a hot mess. I will say the VIP tour of Uni was pretty kick-butt, and I would do that again.

Didn't WDW have something like that, some sort of VIP tour? Keys tour? I could not find it, and opted to fight with the Genie system which was mediocre at best.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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jloucks said:
You might be right, I don't know for sure. Buuuut, (here it comes =P).... I cannot imaging that having a ton of people that spend little is better than having fewer people that spend more.

Let me put it another way. I am privileged, and accustomed to a certain level of peace and comfort in my choices of vacation destinations. I will spend $750 a day in the parks on crap, line cutting, and food without blinking an eye. What I will not do is spend a day anywhere in line or packed in with cranky people. I also know for a fact I am not alone and most of my peers feels the exact same way. I am thinking Disney needs to crank up all their prices and drive out the non-spenders if they want to max their ROI.

I, like many others, lol, swore off going back to WDW because of this-that-or the other. AAAaaad so, I of course went back last month when I was able to get Starcruiser tickets. Starcruiser was fine (not a mob scene), but I boo-booed and got some tickets to the park afterwords. The parks were a hot mess. I will say the VIP tour of Uni was pretty kick-butt, and I would do that again.

Didn't WDW have something like that, some sort of VIP tour? Keys tour? I could not find it, and opted to fight with the Genie system which was mediocre at best.
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The breakdown in that theory is that Disney parks are specifically designed to be mass destinations. They were built for volume. To “reduce” attendance sounds great…but Wall Street is filled with trained dogs. If they start posting less attendance (or indications that’s the case)…that’s a good way to get fired. No matter what the per day spending is. It’s never “enough”

And as I tell everyone - and you now - they can’t pull off “luxury enclave”. Their labor and practices isn’t designed to support that. We’re just overcharged. Plain and simple.
 
Skibum1970

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
The breakdown in that theory is that Disney parks are specifically designed to be mass destinations. They were built for volume. To “reduce” attendance sounds great…but Wall Street is filled with trained dogs. If they start posting less attendance (or indications that’s the case)…that’s a good way to get fired. No matter what the per day spending is. It’s never “enough”

And as I tell everyone - and you now - they can’t pull off “luxury enclave”. Their labor and practices isn’t designed to support that. We’re just overcharged. Plain and simple.
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And building a fifth park would just be one more thing that they could ignore. Plus, the park would cost $10B, only have 9 rides, and, when it faltered, the remaining four parks at WDW (and perhaps DL and DLP) would suffer even further.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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KBLovedDisney said:

Look,, if WDW is this crowded.. the OPEN A FIFTH PARK...​


OR

Hear me out.

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1. Get rid of the reservation system. If Disney wants to make sure their parks don't go over the daily capacity, just worry about the daily ticket sells. Stop trying to oversell tickets.

2. Get rid of the Genie plus-sickly Lightning Let-me-take-your-money systems and put back the single file Stand By Line for EVERYONE TO USE! *

*Of course there would be an exception for the handicap.

3. Lower the dang prices...

Oh wait. Ha! I'm getting off topic.
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The problem is that none of that is “pro-Disney”

So a fail there.

I do appreciate your fandom-fervor 👍🏻
 
SteveAZee

SteveAZee

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jloucks said:
You might be right, I don't know for sure. Buuuut, (here it comes =P).... I cannot imaging that having a ton of people that spend little is better than having fewer people that spend more.

Let me put it another way. I am privileged, and accustomed to a certain level of peace and comfort in my choices of vacation destinations. I will spend $750 a day in the parks on crap, line cutting, and food without blinking an eye. What I will not do is spend a day anywhere in line or packed in with cranky people. I also know for a fact I am not alone and most of my peers feels the exact same way. I am thinking Disney needs to crank up all their prices and drive out the non-spenders if they want to max their ROI.

I, like many others, lol, swore off going back to WDW because of this-that-or the other. AAAaaad so, I of course went back last month when I was able to get Starcruiser tickets. Starcruiser was fine (not a mob scene), but I boo-booed and got some tickets to the park afterwords. The parks were a hot mess. I will say the VIP tour of Uni was pretty kick-butt, and I would do that again.

Didn't WDW have something like that, some sort of VIP tour? Keys tour? I could not find it, and opted to fight with the Genie system which was mediocre at best.
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It would be an interesting experiment for them to try... double the price of admission on one of the four parks each day. For those with the means, the (likely) reduced attendance on the expensive days would be offset of the profit by those paying more (perhaps it's not double, but they'd find the 'sweet spot'). For those who want to pay more with less crowding, they'd have it. For those who don't mind crowds but want the Disney experience for less, they'd have their choice of the other three parks on any given day.

To a degree this is just an expansion of the paid evening events, so it's possibly not that radical.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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SteveAZee said:
It would be an interesting experiment for them to try... double the price of admission on one of the four parks each day. For those with the means, the (likely) reduced attendance on the expensive days would be offset of the profit by those paying more (perhaps it's not double, but they'd find the 'sweet spot'). For those who want to pay more with less crowding, they'd have it. For those who don't mind crowds but want the Disney experience for less, they'd have their choice of the other three parks on any given day.

To a degree this is just an expansion of the paid evening events, so it's possibly not that radical.
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…I nominate MGM 👍🏻


And afterhours is “everything” when it comes to gate/line prices. All roads lead back to it.

Just as the dining plan irrevocably changed food forever.
 
jloucks

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SteveAZee said:
It would be an interesting experiment for them to try... double the price of admission on one of the four parks each day. For those with the means, the (likely) reduced attendance on the expensive days would be offset of the profit by those paying more (perhaps it's not double, but they'd find the 'sweet spot'). For those who want to pay more with less crowding, they'd have it. For those who don't mind crowds but want the Disney experience for less, they'd have their choice of the other three parks on any given day.

To a degree this is just an expansion of the paid evening events, so it's possibly not that radical.
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They could host a handful of weeks this way a year. Heck, even make pre-paid no-refunds shopping cards part of the equation.
 
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Lilofan

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SteveAZee said:
It would be an interesting experiment for them to try... double the price of admission on one of the four parks each day. For those with the means, the (likely) reduced attendance on the expensive days would be offset of the profit by those paying more (perhaps it's not double, but they'd find the 'sweet spot'). For those who want to pay more with less crowding, they'd have it. For those who don't mind crowds but want the Disney experience for less, they'd have their choice of the other three parks on any given day.

To a degree this is just an expansion of the paid evening events, so it's possibly not that radical.
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I believe Sea World Orlando Discovery Cove which includes all you can eat and drink is capped with a certain amount of guests each day. The price for signature dolphin swim package day is $324 per person.
 

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