Look,, if WDW is this crowded.. the OPEN A FIFTH PARK...

[WondersOfLife]

What makes you think they can run a 7th park any better than the 6 other U.S. parks they're already trying to operate?

 

[larryz]

No no no. They need to flush out the 3 non castle parks better first. They have much work to do regardless of what they’ve done so far.

While I agree there's stuff in every park that needs to be flushed out, I think the term you meant to use is "flesh out," as in to put some meat (attractions) on their bones (the parks).

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

the punch to the gut is just making a point, right?........meaning you don't truly believe that people would still fill the parks, correct?

And $500?? I'd bet Disney would lose 90 to 95% of park guests.

There seems to be little resistance up to probably $200 a day. Very little.

You know how Disney knows that? Because people buy the stupidity of after hours and 60 Halloween/Christmas parties.

It’s pretty simple math. But no one wants to believe it. It’s all about what they’re doing for 4 hours. No “global” view at all.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What makes you think they can run a 7th park any better than the 6 other U.S. parks they're already trying to operate?

All evidence is contrary to that.

 

[Doberge]

While I agree there's stuff in every park that needs to be flushed out, I think the term you meant to use is "flesh out," as in to put some meat (attractions) on their bones (the parks).

It makes much more sense now why Universal has been building lands around plumbers.

 

[Willmark]

5th Park?

 

[CastAStone]

There is another option. Build a 3rd domestic resort.

Why is it always assumed that there can only be 2 domestic resorts in the U.S.? For 16 years, there was only Disneyland. For the last 50 years, we've had Disneyland and Disney World. Crowds at both resorts are now making the experience worse/miserable. There's nothing magical about California or Florida. A Disney resort in a less extreme climate would do just fine.

Imagine if they stopped building movie theaters in 1971...

Yes. This. Disney needs another Magic Kingdom not another Hollywood Studios.

 

[Married5Times]

There's nothing magical about California or Florida. A Disney resort in a less extreme climate would do just fine.

there are rules to marquee brand theme park placement.

collectively folk in USA want their Disney or Universal vacation/trip proximal to heat, sun, beach.

by far most of the traditional US map gets covered in snow if even for 4 days out of the year eliminating 80% of places to set up camp

 

[Lilofan]

There is another option. Build a 3rd domestic resort.

Why is it always assumed that there can only be 2 domestic resorts in the U.S.? For 16 years, there was only Disneyland. For the last 50 years, we've had Disneyland and Disney World. Crowds at both resorts are now making the experience worse/miserable. There's nothing magical about California or Florida. A Disney resort in a less extreme climate would do just fine.

Imagine if they stopped building movie theaters in 1971...

Tried that with Disney America in Northern VA outside DC. Locals wanted no part of it and Disney decided not to build the park when faced with strong opposition. Eisner and Iger visited India for a potential park back in the day , went instead with China when Iger was CEO.

 

[Disstevefan1]

there are rules to marquee brand theme park placement.

collectively folk in USA want their Disney or Universal vacation/trip proximal to heat, sun, beach.

by far most of the traditional US map gets covered in snow if even for 4 days out of the year eliminating 80% of places to set up camp

I like winter camping if it’s just a weekend, but for any length of time I would prefer hot weather, it’s just easier to cope with for the long term.

 

[Doberge]

Yes. This. Disney needs another Magic Kingdom not another Hollywood Studios.

Build "Hollywood Kingdom - Presented by Disney+" with a Main Street, castle, a few MK/DL rides, and, imagine this, a working, tourable studio with sound stages filming real stuff for Disney+ and attractions on movie making. Of course this will need to be somewhere with plentiful filmmaking tax incentives. I'll propose northern Louisiana where the land is probably also cheaper than Georgia and other states.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

there are rules to marquee brand theme park placement.

collectively folk in USA want their Disney or Universal vacation/trip proximal to heat, sun, beach.

by far most of the traditional US map gets covered in snow if even for 4 days out of the year eliminating 80% of places to set up camp

There is also nowhere that is “close enough” to draw a significant market away from wdw or DL…

And you can’t go where it’s a “seasonal” weather climate.

What I’m saying is: nobody wants to go to Texas. And if they go there instead of wdw…what’s the point in paying for it again?

 

[Married5Times]

Tried that with Disney America in Northern VA outside DC. Locals wanted no part of it

indeed,

And there was a broader concern with the subject matter.......... a concern about how to address the slavery issue, Native relocation, and Japanese and German detainment in WW2 days. A Disney historical account would have been a terrible look for Disney brand

 

[Greg in TN]

Well if you want to relieve OVER CROWDING. OPEN ANOTHER PARK.. if you start today.. it can be open in a year.. IF YOU WANT TO DO IT

If the "you" you're talking about is Disney, they don't want to relieve overcrowding. By the time 95% of the people visiting the parks realize they're overcrowded, Disney's already got them and got their money. Oh, guess what, now those frustrated, overcrowded visitors will have to spend more money for something that used to be included in the price, so they can "skip" all those long lines. Reviews of that service are certainly coming back mixed.

Genius strategy to maximize short-term profits. Long term profits?? We'll just have to see.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If the "you" you're talking about is Disney, they don't want to relieve overcrowding. By the time 95% of the people visiting the parks realize they're overcrowded, Disney's already got them and got their money. Oh, guess what, now those frustrated, overcrowded visitors will have to spend more money for something that used to be included in the price, so they can "skip" all those long lines. Reviews of that service are certainly coming back mixed.

Genius strategy to maximize short-term profits. Long term profits?? We'll just have to see.

There is a limit/danger to that approach - however

 

[Greg in TN]

There is a limit/danger to that approach - however

Indeed. That's why I said, "Genius strategy to maximize short-term profits. Long term profits?? We'll just have to see." Personally, I think it's going to be a foolish approach to long-term success, because the frustrated visitors who feel like they're being pick-pocketed every time they turn around, are not going to go home and tell all their friends about the fantastic time they had.

I feel a large part of Disney's prior fantastic success has been word-of-mouth advertising. The marketing campaigns are fine, but nothing seals it like hearing the excitement from the 7-yr old next-door neighbor as he tells about the real ghosts in the Haunted Mansion, or as the 6-yr old sister tells how Cinderella is now her best friend, or the "I'd do it again in a heartbeat" from the kid's father & mother, etc.

Not sure it's going to have the same impact when the 7 yr old says, "We stood in some long lines, it was hot, and there were a lot of people yelling at each other," or if the dad says, "OK, so we've now checked that box."

 

[Heppenheimer]

There is also nowhere that is “close enough” to draw a significant market away from wdw or DL…

And you can’t go where it’s a “seasonal” weather climate.

What I’m saying is: nobody wants to go to Texas. And if they go there instead of wdw…what’s the point in paying for it again?

My time in Texas courtesy of Uncle Sam taught me that parts Texas have some of the best and worst weather in the US, depending on the time of year. Very pleasant in the winter and spring, unbearable in the summer. I wouldn't voluntarily set foot in Texas again between the months of May and early October. At least those afternoon thunderstorms in Florida often cool things off for awhile. I remember waiting until almost 11 PM during the summer in San Antonio before temperatures were bearable enough to exercise outside.

So, no Disney park in Texas...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Indeed. That's why I said, "Genius strategy to maximize short-term profits. Long term profits?? We'll just have to see." Personally, I think it's going to be a foolish approach to long-term success, because the frustrated visitors who feel like they're being pick-pocketed every time they turn around, are not going to go home and tell all their friends about the fantastic time they had.

I feel a large part of Disney's prior fantastic success has been word-of-mouth advertising. The marketing campaigns are fine, but nothing seals it like hearing the excitement from the 7-yr old next-door neighbor as he tells about the real ghosts in the Haunted Mansion, or as the 6-yr old sister tells how Cinderella is now her best friend, or the "I'd do it again in a heartbeat" from the kid's father & mother, etc.

Not sure it's going to have the same impact when the 7 yr old says, "We stood in some long lines, it was hot, and there were a lot of people yelling at each other," or if the dad says, "OK, so we've now checked that box."

You have a valid point…but I meant their success has been predominantly repeat/loyal customers.

There’s a huge myth…”it doesn’t matter who’s mad…someone else will take their place”

That only works if they don’t off more of their customer pool than they can replenish. And that pool isn’t nearly as big as people think.

There’s not a “growing” group that wants to drop $10,000+ a week. And that’s where they’ve taken it. You drop the middle class out of your clientele…you’re left with a more selective group that can afford more things and also expect more quality. It’s a double edged sword. You’ll get cut.

 

[Married5Times]

My time in Texas courtesy of Uncle Sam taught me that parts Texas have some of the best and worst weather in the US, depending on the time of year.

you can say that about almost anywhere in the USA.

pretty much every place has a time of the year where weather is desirable(or undesirable as well)

exception to the hard rule: San Diego.

 

[donaldtoo]

we are all complaining about the disney Greedy and Bob Cheapskate.. and ol' Bob says.. hey if you are gonna come then you are gonna pay for it.. Well if you want to relieve OVER CROWDING. OPEN ANOTHER PARK.. if you start today.. it can be open in a year.. IF YOU WANT TO DO IT.. Epcot was built in just over a year.. Magic Kingdom, in a year.. in the past.. it was we can't build it, its a recession.. we couldn't build it last year. it was covid.. well guess what.. no recession and covid has cut way back, and you have more money then GOD...and they are bringing more in ..in dump trucks each and every day.. BUILD ANOTHER PARK.. No excuse now..

Actually, it took them 3 years to build the original EPCOT Center. It takes them 3 years to build a single attraction these days. If they broke ground on a new Park tomorrow morning, it wouldn’t be open for at least a decade…!!!!!

EPCOT construction time original park - Google Search