Long Ridiculous Rant - My Complete AP Fiasco

fillerup

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Every word of the following ridiculously long rant is true. I don't need attention badly enough to post BS for the hell of it. If you're bored and have time on your hands, feel free to read. If you have anything better to do, please move on – no offense taken.

I'm posting this:
  1. Because I'm Uber Annoyed
  2. Because feedback might help (doubtful).
  3. Because there's an actual question at the end of all this.
  4. Because I can.

I got my new RFID annual pass in March or April and for a couple of months everything was dandy – which is to say it worked/failed about the same as my paper pass – 80% success or so. Although thinking back I was probably using the turnstiles rather than tapstiles most of the time.

About a month or so ago, the pass simply stopped working. I don't mean it doesn't work the first or second time – it doesn't work period, and intervention of Guest Relations CMs is required. Of my last nineteen tries, it has gone green exactly twice. I know the numbers because I'm going for Epcot concerts and I know how many times I've seen each group.

The pass has been reset by GR ten times I'm pretty sure. But since I don't want to be accused of hyperbole, I'll go with nine, since I know for a fact it's been reset that many times.

I've gone to the ticket windows twice to see about a new pass. The first time, a very sympathetic CM said she'd be happy to issue a new pass but that it probably wouldn't help, as the issue with a minority of guests seems to be the biometric interface. The second time, I insisted on a new pass and it turns out they were right – it didn't help.

The interaction with CMs has been interesting to say the least:

Sir - are you using the same finger as last time? Yep, right index finger since the day biometrics started.
Sir – your finger is too far forward. (One CM actually put her fingertip between my fingertip and the front of the sensor.)
Sir – your finger is too far back. (That was the very next day after my finger was too far forward.)
Sir – don't press down so hard.
Sir – press down a little harder.
Sir – are you using your finger the same way every time. To which I responded – If this system requires the dexterity of a neurosurgeon then it's a piece of crap. That was a wasted comment from me because I could tell from the blank look that she didn't have a clue what the words dexterity or neurosurgeon meant.

I had a long talk with a GR CM who gave me some patient explanations. The old system scanned 32 points of the finger and the new one scans over a hundred. Therefore, they're experiencing a higher failure rate, which is why GR will be a permanent fixture at the tapstiles. Wonder how much that'll cost in labor $$.

He went on to tell me – here goes – It's summer in Florida, Sir. It's hot. (Really? Hey thanks for that, I was wondering why sweat was running down my back.) In the heat, human body parts swell, so my finger today may be a different shape and size than when I was previously reset. So let me get this straight – When I was reset on Wednesday in 92 degree heat, my finger was different than on Friday in 92 degree heat? The fun part about this exchange is that both of us kept a straight face throughout.

I've kept my cool so far. I haven't erupted at a CM, haven't cursed, I haven't even really growled yet, but I'm probably going to before long. I don't let life's little bumps disturb my equanimity, so I keep telling myself that these CMs didn't ask for this system, didn't design it and didn't implement it so they don't deserve any abuse over it, but I'm not far from losing my temper. I'm holding up the people I'm with and the people behind me for anywhere from 3 to 5 minutes and I'm pretty much over it.

Okay, thanks for reading this ridiculous rant, but here are a couple of questions.

What would any of you do? Hell, what would Jesus do for that matter?

But more importantly – I think I had read that since a few guests are somewhat paranoid about Disney storing their fingerprints that if you refuse the biometrics, they'll accept your AP, picture ID and let you in. Does anyone know this to still be the case? Because I'm going to give this one or two more tries and after that, I'm done with it – permanently.

Carry on now.
 

Mukta

Well-Known Member
I have no advice, but I am very sympathetic.

Passholders pay a lot of money and I think that getting into the park in a timely manner should be a given.

I am heading to WDW in September with my premier pass, so i will be interested to see how RFID works for me.
 

Hobnail Boot

Well-Known Member
I've got no advice to give but wow, what a pain. I also got my AP changed out in March/April and it worked fine. I go for the first time since then starting tomorrow so we'll see if I have any problems.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
Since you have identified the problem about all you can do is go through with ID. If they have the biometric scan set to a sensitivity so high that the hardware does not work, they will eventually have to dial it back.
 

Vader2112

Well-Known Member
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Every word of the following ridiculously long rant is true. I don't need attention badly enough to post BS for the hell of it. If you're bored and have time on your hands, feel free to read. If you have anything better to do, please move on – no offense taken.

I'm posting this:
  1. Because I'm Uber Annoyed
  2. Because feedback might help (doubtful).
  3. Because there's an actual question at the end of all this.
  4. Because I can.

I got my new RFID annual pass in March or April and for a couple of months everything was dandy – which is to say it worked/failed about the same as my paper pass – 80% success or so. Although thinking back I was probably using the turnstiles rather than tapstiles most of the time.

About a month or so ago, the pass simply stopped working. I don't mean it doesn't work the first or second time – it doesn't work period, and intervention of Guest Relations CMs is required. Of my last nineteen tries, it has gone green exactly twice. I know the numbers because I'm going for Epcot concerts and I know how many times I've seen each group.

The pass has been reset by GR ten times I'm pretty sure. But since I don't want to be accused of hyperbole, I'll go with nine, since I know for a fact it's been reset that many times.

I've gone to the ticket windows twice to see about a new pass. The first time, a very sympathetic CM said she'd be happy to issue a new pass but that it probably wouldn't help, as the issue with a minority of guests seems to be the biometric interface. The second time, I insisted on a new pass and it turns out they were right – it didn't help.

The interaction with CMs has been interesting to say the least:

Sir - are you using the same finger as last time? Yep, right index finger since the day biometrics started.
Sir – your finger is too far forward. (One CM actually put her fingertip between my fingertip and the front of the sensor.)
Sir – your finger is too far back. (That was the very next day after my finger was too far forward.)
Sir – don't press down so hard.
Sir – press down a little harder.
Sir – are you using your finger the same way every time. To which I responded – If this system requires the dexterity of a neurosurgeon then it's a piece of crap. That was a wasted comment from me because I could tell from the blank look that she didn't have a clue what the words dexterity or neurosurgeon meant.

I had a long talk with a GR CM who gave me some patient explanations. The old system scanned 32 points of the finger and the new one scans over a hundred. Therefore, they're experiencing a higher failure rate, which is why GR will be a permanent fixture at the tapstiles. Wonder how much that'll cost in labor $$.

He went on to tell me – here goes – It's summer in Florida, Sir. It's hot. (Really? Hey thanks for that, I was wondering why sweat was running down my back.) In the heat, human body parts swell, so my finger today may be a different shape and size than when I was previously reset. So let me get this straight – When I was reset on Wednesday in 92 degree heat, my finger was different than on Friday in 92 degree heat? The fun part about this exchange is that both of us kept a straight face throughout.

I've kept my cool so far. I haven't erupted at a CM, haven't cursed, I haven't even really growled yet, but I'm probably going to before long. I don't let life's little bumps disturb my equanimity, so I keep telling myself that these CMs didn't ask for this system, didn't design it and didn't implement it so they don't deserve any abuse over it, but I'm not far from losing my temper. I'm holding up the people I'm with and the people behind me for anywhere from 3 to 5 minutes and I'm pretty much over it.

Okay, thanks for reading this ridiculous rant, but here are a couple of questions.

What would any of you do? Hell, what would Jesus do for that matter?

But more importantly – I think I had read that since a few guests are somewhat paranoid about Disney storing their fingerprints that if you refuse the biometrics, they'll accept your AP, picture ID and let you in. Does anyone know this to still be the case? Because I'm going to give this one or two more tries and after that, I'm done with it – permanently.

Carry on now.
yes happens to me and my wife too. You can just show I'd and the can scan the pass with a hand held.
 

aladdin2007

Well-Known Member
While mine has worked fine for the most part so far (sometimes it does take a couple tries) but that def should not be happening with yours over and over, thats a shame, just shows this system is ugg well we all know......but some of the castmembers have become downright nasty if it doesnt go through the first time and this im getting tired of. Theres no reason for that or to yell at someone or get all bent out of shape. Thats what I have noticed, with myself and at others. I havent said anything yet to anyone, but next time I think its time to let a manager know.
 

Victor Kelly

Well-Known Member
This should not be happening at all with 2 billion being spent on it. If AP holders are having this happen, what about he other guests. When I arrive, I want to be in, not lollygagging with my thumb up my butt waiting for a CM to fix the POS system. I hate biometrics, unreliable at best. I understand the frustration.

I would say show ID, and make them work.
 

experiment624

Well-Known Member
So you're the dude holding up the line! JK. It sucks because the system should work for everyone everytime.

We haven't had any issues with our RFID AP and biometrics yet. However, mine does sound off the door alarms at retail shopping centers. i.e. Home Depot, Lowes, Local Mall, and Walgreens, and everywhere I've gone so far. I had to take it out of my wallet and now I leave it at home. My husband's does not set off the alarm. We tested it at the store the other day, so we know for a fact my AP is the culprit. Embarrassing when you set off the alarm entering and leaving a store of any kind.
 

armyfamilyof5

Well-Known Member
So you're the dude holding up the line! JK. It sucks because the system should work for everyone everytime.

We haven't had any issues with our RFID AP and biometrics yet. However, mine does sound off the door alarms at retail shopping centers. i.e. Home Depot, Lowes, Local Mall, and Walgreens, and everywhere I've gone so far. I had to take it out of my wallet and now I leave it at home. My husband's does not set off the alarm. We tested it at the store the other day, so we know for a fact my AP is the culprit. Embarrassing when you set off the alarm entering and leaving a store of any kind.

So so funny! I bet you look around like, "hey, I'm not a thief, just a lover of Disney", LOL. I'm sorry this is happening to you, not making fun but I find this amusing. We haven't had too many problems, just seems to take forever for it to scan our fingerprint.
 

fillerup

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
......but some of the castmembers have become downright nasty if it doesnt go through the first time and this im getting tired of. Theres no reason for that or to yell at someone or get all bent out of shape. Thats what I have noticed, with myself and at others. I havent said anything yet to anyone, but next time I think its time to let a manager know.


Thank you all for the kind responses, the sympathetic ones and the funnies.

I've edited and highlighted the above for a reason.

While none of the CMs have gotten nasty with me - and would regret it quite deeply if they did, this is exactly why I put up this thread.

I realized yesterday that my entrance problems have a common thread each and every time. The CMs subtly or not so subtly lay the blame on me - I'm doing something wrong.

It's never their system that could be the culprit, it works fine for everyone else so I must be entirely too stupid to put my 1 square inch finger on their 1.5 square inch scanner with the fingernail in the up and locked position.
 

experiment624

Well-Known Member
So so funny! I bet you look around like, "hey, I'm not a thief, just a lover of Disney", LOL. I'm sorry this is happening to you, not making fun but I find this amusing. We haven't had too many problems, just seems to take forever for it to scan our fingerprint.

Oh it's hilarious! Glad we weren't purchasing uber personal items (insert product here) at the pharmacy when the alarm went off and staff member came to asist (luckily they remembered it beeped at us when we came in too). ha ha.
 

Monty

Brilliant...and Canadian
In the Parks
No
oh im sure they will come up with some retinal scanners in the future

so u wont m iss out on the fun

;)

Actually...

I have a Nexus card. It's an RFID card used for "trusted" travelers crossing the border between the US and Canada. At airports they use an eye scan [not retinal, but still] to verify that I'm the real me when it detects the RFID. It's worked seamlessly every time I've used it, except once when all the available machines were down because of a computer outage. If Disney used that technology, I'd be thrilled!
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
All of this sounds like one, big mess. I couldn't help but laugh at the "sun is out, it's warm and your fingers are swelling" excuse, though. That was pretty funny.

Even more of a reason to hope this doesn't make its way west.
 

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