Living with the Land updates

[jt04]

Video from 2011 with the doors still working. When did Iger take over?

Wow. I guess I need to keep making the point over and over. It takes time to change a corporation's culture. TWDC was probably especially difficult. But it has, is, and will continue to happen under Iger and those that follow. And somebody should write a book about it because it would be fascinating. IMO.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Wow. I guess I need to keep making the point over and over. It takes time to change a corporation's culture. TWDC was probably especially difficult. But it has, is, and will continue to happen under Iger and those that follow. And somebody should write a book about it because it would be fascinating. IMO.

Could have fooled me with the mess The Land is currently in compared to the much better shape it was in 2010-2012...

A multi-billion dollar corporation like TWDC can spare extra cash to multitask and keep their flagship resort in good condition and up to date without having to play ping pong with some imaginary "pendulum" between the various resorts around the world (as you keep insisting is finally arriving at WDW after visiting overseas).

 

[jt04]

Could have fooled me with the mess The Land is currently in compared to the much better shape it was in 2010-2012...

A multi-billion dollar corporation like TWDC can spare extra cash to multitask and keep their flagship resort in good condition and up to date without having to play ping pong with some imaginary "pendulum" between the various resorts around the world (as you keep insisting is finally arriving at WDW after visiting overseas).

Like I said, the story would make a great book. Then people could see the big picture. Even you. Some spent years and countless hours propping up a meme that Iger and others in mouse management were out of their league. Obviously that position is nearly impossible to support now without some serious erroneous rationalization. What you should be spending time on is asking yourself why would people do that. I am not 100% certain but have no doubt it would be an amazing story to get the details on.

 

[FutureWorld1982]

The doors worked in May! I know it! Lol

Nope. Sadly, they have not been working for years.

 

[DManRightHere]

Nope. Sadly, they have not been working for years.

OK maybe it was a few years ago then...I thought it was this year (someone posted a video where the door worked in 2011). I've been every may for the past 4 years and I remember at least once the door opening and I was watching the sensor to close the door. Pretty sure it was within the past 2 years and that was our honeymoon and anniversary. They put us on the front because of it lol.

 

[Nubs70]

Yup, it's either railings or workers need to wear anti-fall harnesses if they'll be working within x feet of the edge of the roof (6 or 8 feet, I believe).

I wonder if pop-up railings would satisfy the OSHA requirements. Things like the railings on the EE lifthill, Primeval Whirl emergency walkways or in some places in the Indy ride at Disneyland. They're folded down out of sight during normal operation but pop up automatically when the ride E-stops. Having them on top of the building they could be down and out of view from Guest areas until a worker needed to go out onto the roof.

-Rob

I am familiar with anti fall restraints, but it appears that new regulations require physical railings on all roofs. The mill I service just unloaded 2 semi trailers of railings last week.

 

[danlb_2000]

I am familiar with anti fall restraints, but it appears that new regulations require physical railings on all roofs. The mill I service just unloaded 2 semi trailers of railings last week.

There have been a lot of permits over the past few months for installations of railings all over the parks.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Like I said, the story would make a great book. Then people could see the big picture. Even you. Some spent years and countless hours propping up a meme that Iger and others in mouse management were out of their league. Obviously that position is nearly impossible to support now without some serious erroneous rationalization. What you should be spending time on is asking yourself why would people do that. I am not 100% certain but have no doubt it would be an amazing story to get the details on.

A book about how awesome Disney is with the rest ignored? No thanks, would just look like more shilling from the lifestylers. We've enough of that nonsense, and the Disney is awesome books are a dime a dozen. Or rather I should say $100 a dozen, adjusted for Iger inflation.

A proper perspective is right here on these forums, every day with threads like this and others. We see both the positive AND the negative without bias or a worry that Disney is going to sue anyone's for criticizing them. A book does not adequately address and keep up to date with the constantly shifting climate of Disney, a forum can constantly be kept updated with the newest info. Martin's threads he's currently posting in about his recent trip are an excellent example of the dirty truth of this week at WDW (both good and bad, I myself joined in) being shared-

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/stuffs-from-orlando.891211/
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/more-stuffs-from-orlando.891267/

The truth about the land is that last week more than half of the animatronics were stationary or only had partial movement. That is not hyperbole or the hidden truth, and the ride was not experiencing these problems from 2010-2012 last I visited.

 

[whiterhino42]

Living With the Land is my favorite ride in epcot. I'm glad they are fixing it up.....just pleaaaaseeeee don't dumb it down. I used to LOVE the seas too but I hate it now with nemo !

 

[Tom]

Yup, it's either railings or workers need to wear anti-fall harnesses if they'll be working within x feet of the edge of the roof (6 or 8 feet, I believe).

I wonder if pop-up railings would satisfy the OSHA requirements. Things like the railings on the EE lifthill, Primeval Whirl emergency walkways or in some places in the Indy ride at Disneyland. They're folded down out of sight during normal operation but pop up automatically when the ride E-stops. Having them on top of the building they could be down and out of view from Guest areas until a worker needed to go out onto the roof.

-Rob

I don't know why they don't just install tie-off points, instead of the hundreds of feel of railings.

 

[Sped2424]

Question are the butterflies wings still damaged and ripped open from what I think is too much water damage? Looks like when you get cardboard wet

 

[mousefreak]

The doors were working October 2013. I love Living with the Land, however I do think the videos need to be updated with hi definition.

 

[BalooChicago]

I am familiar with anti fall restraints, but it appears that new regulations require physical railings on all roofs. The mill I service just unloaded 2 semi trailers of railings last week.

These are not new requirements. Disney was just behind the times.

The reason you are seeing railings is they are cheaper.

Ideally they'd use a lifeline type system such as probel offers.

 

[BalooChicago]

I don't know why they don't just install tie-off points, instead of the hundreds of feel of railings.

Fall protection posts impart 5kips force in any direction on the structure. That's a lot of torsion into a beam not designed for it. We usually have to add supplemental steel for them. You'd end up with a ton of tie offs between primary and secondary points. A lifeline system would make more sense, look better, but still be more expensive than railings.

Fall protection systems have additional requirements in terms of hardware (harnesses) and training. Any Joe can use a railing.

Probel Lifeline System

 

[FutureWorld1982]

The doors were working October 2013. I love Living with the Land, however I do think the videos need to be updated with hi definition.

You must remember incorrectly, because they were definitely not working in the past three years. Believe me, I am extremely familiar with the ride...

 

[mousefreak]

You must remember incorrectly, because they were definitely not working in the past three years. Believe me, I am extremely familiar with the ride...

I was pretty sure they were working last October. I'll take your word for it.

 

[PhilharMagician]

Now if we can just get the broken heat effect in the desert scene working, all would be good.

Is it broken or was the heat simply stopped as a cost cutting measure? There has to be quite a high cost to deal with multiple environmental areas all basically open to one another with the exception of a airwall to help divide them. Back when it was all working you would go from the cool damp rainforest to the hot arid desert and then into a more temperate Midwest farm scene. They were drastic changes.

 

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

Video from 2011 with the doors still working. When did Iger take over?

I swear they worked when I was there in Sept 2012.

 

[George]

Good to know they will be back soon and weren't supposed to be working right away because on Sunday their was no door action. Many don't know the true story of these doors. One mistimed closure cut right through a tour boat. As the doors cracked the plastic and shards of polymer began to spray the greenhouse and the film room full of agricultural advances from 1984, fear filled the boat. Passengers rolled off their benches and into the cold, unforgiving water of the greenhouse canal. The shock and occasional plastic bit had immediate effects on the tour group as panic overtook the assembled masses. To make a long story short, the rescue crew was late in arriving and to this day only 13 of the 17 bodies have been recovered. From time to time, Disney still has teams of divers looking for the remains. If you're on one of the last rides of the day you may see rescue crews splashing in front of the farmhouse, though most are distracted by the cute animatronic dog and the mailbox chicken.

 

[JimboJones123]

Is the "Listen to the Land" song back?

No?

Welp, nothing to see here then.

Seriously, bring it back.

For the nostalgia. For the pavilion branding. Plant the seeds in younger riders to take the attraction home with them in the form of a song.