Living With the Land Closing for a few weeks

yensidtlaw1969

Well-Known Member
Darn, I missed Living With the land on my last trip and vowed to see it this one (I haven't seen it in YEARS). Ofcourse, I leave on the 21st. That's what I like to call "My Luck".

Yensid "Just make believe
You're a tiny little seed
A Tiny Little Seed that's reachin' up to meet your needs . . ." tlaw1969
 

SpenceMan01

Well-Known Member
uglybug2005 said:
PS, when Lance actually posts something that turns out to be accurate, it is not a reflection on Lance (as he might wish), just an indication that someone sent him good information. (The same holds for Al, Kevin, and Jim. The only reason their sites exist is to make them feel more important. Too bad it works so well.)

Ugh. I was going to write a nice long retort to this, but it's not worth it. I'll just say: Didn't your mother ever teach you that if you can't say something nice, not to say anything at all?
 

One Lil Spark

EPCOT Center Defender
No offense to the CM's who love their LwtL narrator jobs, but I'm a huge supporter of the PA system. Aside from the plant variety being limited to whatever the recoreded spiel says, I think it's a good idea.
 

darthjohnny

Active Member
Original Poster
The last time a rode Living with the Land a little while ago, I was sitting in the second barge of the boat. The tour guide's microphone didn't work for the first half of the ride, so he had to shout. It was still very difficult to hear. Hopefully with the addition of the automated P.A., these problems won't happen.
 

SpenceMan01

Well-Known Member
darthjohnny said:
The last time a rode Living with the Land a little while ago, I was sitting in the second barge of the boat. The tour guide's microphone didn't work for the first half of the ride, so he had to shout. It was still very difficult to hear. Hopefully with the addition of the automated P.A., these problems won't happen.

Imagine if they did... sitting in a boat...riding through a greenhouse...wondering what the heck you're looking at :lol:
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
jmvd20 said:
I don't agree with that. The last few times we were at Epcot the line for LwtL was always over 45 minutes. Definitely not worth the wait to me so the FP was a must.

You do realize the Standby wait was that long because they have Fastpass, right? :brick:

The general rule is that 70% of an attractions hourly capacity is given out in Fastpass tickets, and the other 30% of the hourly ridership is pulled from the Standby line.

1,000 riders per hour
700 riders via Fastpass line
300 riders via Standby line

If they got rid of Fastpass and still carried 1,000 people per hour, the line would be 10 minutes for everyone instead of 45 minutes for Standby and 5 minutes for Fastpass.

Plus, if they get rid of the tour guides they can just throw on all the boats and run it like Small World or Pirates. They don't run at full capacity always because they have to pay a tour guide to be on each ride vehicle. Without a tour guide a boat would be leaving every 2 minutes instead of every 5 or 6 minutes. They'll get 2,000+ riders per hour, thus reducing the wait time even more.

I'm willing to bet once the new automated boat system opens, Living With The Land will be a walkon attraction most days, with only very busy days seeing lines of 7 to 10 minutes long. It's about time Disney did this, as the last two times I went on this ride the tour guide was HORRIBLE! :eek:
 

BiggerTigger

Well-Known Member
First off, the PA system trigger mechanism must match as the boat passes the "trigger". If this does not happen then the spiel can be off. Having been a guide on lwtl depending on the water level and the boat weight, we would have to manually start the recorded spiel. Secondly, unfortunately, the information written for the ride was very informative, it was very dry and any chance to lighten up the spiel could get a cast member into trouble.
No I am not saying turn lwtl into the Jungle Cruise but the spiel could have been better. It should be "jazzed" up. The interaction between cast member and guest is important for this ride and believe that lwtl may loose if the PA is installed.
 

askmike1

Member
If they can easily change the spiel, I think this would be a very good idea. If they can't, not so much. I mean, the tour guide was able to talk to us about the world record tomato crop. Could the PA system do that too?
 

socalkdg

Active Member
TP2000 said:
You do realize the Standby wait was that long because they have Fastpass, right? :brick:

The general rule is that 70% of an attractions hourly capacity is given out in Fastpass tickets, and the other 30% of the hourly ridership is pulled from the Standby line.

1,000 riders per hour
700 riders via Fastpass line
300 riders via Standby line

If they got rid of Fastpass and still carried 1,000 people per hour, the line would be 10 minutes for everyone instead of 45 minutes for Standby and 5 minutes for Fastpass.
10 minutes, is this new math? Even if I assume you meant that the standby line would only have 300 people in it(standby only) you would still wait 18 minutes if you joined the end of that line.

More importantly is now what do you think those FP riders are going to do? They will get in line instead. If capacity is 1000 per hour and there are 1000 people in line(300 standbys and the now 700 FP's) the wait is going to be 60 minutes for someone just getting into line. FP redistributes people throughout the day causing a more constant wait. Without FP some waiting times during the day might only be 10-20 minutes, but other times it could be 70 minutes(like just after lunch).

TP2000 said:
Plus, if they get rid of the tour guides they can just throw on all the boats and run it like Small World or Pirates. They don't run at full capacity always because they have to pay a tour guide to be on each ride vehicle. Without a tour guide a boat would be leaving every 2 minutes instead of every 5 or 6 minutes. They'll get 2,000+ riders per hour, thus reducing the wait time even more. :eek:
While I've seen waits for a boat to show up lasting around 5 minutes, I do agree that they will get more riders per hour. This alone may reduce waits below 30 minutes. I could see them speeding up the attraction as well reducing some of the details that are usually given.
 

mousermerf

Account Suspended
Here's hoping they're not relocating the machines to Living Seas. *cringes*

And again... we're the proof? I still don't trust screamscape... why are we getting all up in arms over their assrertions?
 

jmvd20

Well-Known Member
Chape19714 said:
That's because they removed boats from the ride to make the line move slower and encourage Fastpass use.

I didn't know they removed some of the boats from the ride. I just figured the major increase in wait time was due to Soarin crowds.
 

jmvd20

Well-Known Member
TP2000 said:
You do realize the Standby wait was that long because they have Fastpass, right? :brick:

No I didn't realize that, thank you so much for enlightening me to that fact, and for doing so in such a nice manner!
 

Chape19714

Well-Known Member
I didn't know they removed some of the boats from the ride. I just figured the major increase in wait time was due to Soarin crowds.
That was done a while back when FastPass was new to the attraction. Otherwise, there would be no use for it. Soarin's crowds have made it nessacarry, but if all the boats were running, I think it would quite managable even without FastPass and with Soarin's encreased crowds in The Land.
 

monorailguy01

New Member
I seriously think that new P.A. system is going to make the ride boreig, it makes the ride so much more interesting when there is a real person talking you though the green houses and stuff...
 

LandBoatride

New Member
First off, let me CONFIRM that this is true, Living with the Land will lose its tour guides in the coming weeks. While I cannot reveal my sources, I can confirm it (you'll have to trust me on this one). Several people know this to be true, including managers, labor ops, schedulers, executives, Land cast members, etc. etc.

The change will drastically reduce the wait time, as staffing issues will no longer leave empty boats on the canal or force a situation where a lower number of boats is placed on the canal in the morning. The canal can hold up to 14 boats on it, with 10 being optimal for spacing (you dont want boats stacked together or else narration from one boat is heard on the next). However, in recent weeks/years, LWTL has been running 5-8 "live" boats (the rest tied up in boat storage). It takes major staffing to have so many tour guides, enough for breaks, dock positions, etc.

The plan is to run at least 10 boats on the canal now from open to close, with no boats going by empty. This will greatly increase the ride's capacity from its current levels (doubling it in the afternoons when running 5 or 6 "live" boats has been common.) Instead of a boat arriving on dock every 2 minutes, they will load and go approximately every minute.

Three recurring problems have always defeated this idea in the past, so I am mildly surprised it has finally happend. 1) Safety - like Pirates, Small World, and Mexico, this is a slow-moving boat ride with no restraints or doors. However, this is the only one of these boat rides with a walkable path by the boats almost the whole way (except the rainforest portion). Tour guides have been onboard in part to make sure no unruly guest/teenager jumped off the boat - it happens! The word is cameras will be installed in the dark portions of the ride, or perhaps just one camera/monitor a la spaceship earth. 2) Changing plants/greenhouse themes has kept the spiel ever-changing and hence no canned spiel. Future greenhouse and plant changes will be less drastic,and the spiel will feature "staple" items which never change (hydroponics, aeroponics, cacao, aquaculture, etc). 3) The trigger mechanism has historically been faulty. As another LWTL cast member noted, the current trigger mechanism used for the canned spiel in the dark portion of the ride has been inconsistent at best, often requiring the manual pushing by the CM to keep it on pace (example - sometimes the boat would move quicker through the rain forest and the spiel would not be finished before reaching the desert trigger point. Hence, the reflective strip in the desert did not trigger the spiel, and the desert narration would be heard in the farm scene unless the CM intervened.) I do not know if the same trigger mechanism will be used in the greenhouses, though I suspect not.

No word yet on who will get the honor of being the "voice" of the greenhouse tour spiel, but it is possible that the new voice will also re-voice the dark portion narration (this is not confirmed). However, no change/update is planned for the dark portion, save possible security camera installation.

Last interesting tidbit - the canal water moves slightly slower as more boats are added to the canal. By running 10 or more boats now, the duration of the ride will be extended marginally, perhaps up to one minute longer (cycle time around 13-14 minutes).
 

brkgnews

Well-Known Member
mousermerf said:
Here's hoping they're not relocating the machines to Living Seas. *cringes*

And again... we're the proof? I still don't trust screamscape... why are we getting all up in arms over their assrertions?
I hate to say it, Merf, but that might not be a bad idea. NOT for the omnimover ride, but for Turtle Talk. Those lines are unholy.
 

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