Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

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Disgruntled Walt

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LittleBuford

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JenniferS said:
Even if you don’t agree with her, she is far from inarticulate.
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Perhaps unrealistic would be a fairer characterisation? Disney is hardly going to reshoot an essentially complete film, especially now that the offending posts have been apologised for. We all know this, so I’m not sure what sense there is in wishing for the impossible.
 
Vegas Disney Fan

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LittleBuford said:
Perhaps unrealistic would be a fairer characterisation? Disney is hardly going to reshoot an essentially complete film, especially now that the offending posts have been apologised for. We all know this, so I’m not sure what sense there is in wishing for the impossible.
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I saw a comment today on a news article about how her apology never actually apologized, she simply said she was sorry about the post she shared and sorry that she contributed to the negative discourse…

Essentially saying I still mean what I said but I’m sorry it offended you so please come see my movies still. A non-apology apology.

I agree they aren’t going to modify SW again, I think they’re just going to release it and recoup whatever they can before letting it fade into obscurity.
 
BrianLo

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Chi84 said:
It’s kind of funny because Disney has always been progressive and inclusive in nature, but as in all forms of entertainment there are hits and misses.
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AdventureHasAName said:
Come on ... this is borderline absurd.
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Just a reminder that they made a cartoon about reproduction and showed it in the 80’s in Epcot. The concerns about what is right for children seems to be winding back 50 years. Nothing Disney has done the last few years would technically compare as boundary pushing.
 
AdventureHasAName

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BrianLo said:
Just a reminder that they made a cartoon about reproduction and showed it in the 80’s in Epcot. The concerns about what is right for children seems to be winding back 50 years.
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You think that video was boundry pushing? At the time, (late 1980s, early 1990s) we watched videos like that in junior high school health class. There was nothing controversial or progressive about the Wonders of Life (or EPCOT Center as a whole). This was 1990, not 1950. ABC used to run programming like this on TV all the time - they called them Afterschool Specials.



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ABC Afterschool Special - "My Mom is Having a Baby" (1977)



BrianLo said:
Nothing Disney has done the last few years would technically compare as boundary pushing.
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Although I don't entirely agree (the Reimagine Disney department was fairly clear about its goals before Iger muzzled them), you just made my point.
 
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Chi84

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AdventureHasAName said:
You think that video was boundry pushing? At the time, (late 1980s, early 1990s) we watched videos like that in junior high school health class. There was nothing controversial or progressive about the Wonders of Life (or EPCOT Center as a whole). This was 1990, not 1950. ABC used to run programming like this on TV all the time - they called them Afterschool Specials.




Although I don't entirely agree (the Reimagine Disney department was fairly clear about its goals before Iger muzzled them), you just made my point.
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Just to clarify, does anyone think this information is wrong for children?
 
BrianLo

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AdventureHasAName said:
You think that video was boundry pushing?
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I'm calling out the inconsistency about what is child appropriate. Nothing Disney has released in the last few years pales as sexualized content that wasn't already pushed further in the parks. I watched the Making of Me when I had just turned six, my three and a half year old sibling likely took nothing away from it. I turned into a competent, functional adult.

Heteronormative relationships are allowed to be put on a pedestal, for some reason. I know the reason is entrained bias that most Western nations still broadly hold. The exposure to two cartoon characters kissing was pushing no boundaries, regardless of their genders. Particularly when parents basically teach their toddlers about gender and relationships all across North America without thinking anything of it. The presence of a predominantly black cast is hardly boundary pushing in Marvel Movie #20, but yet apparently it was.

Representation is important to reduce bias amongst future generations and increase empathy, understanding and support for people and minorities kids may be underexposed to in their early childhood years. Disney was and is an important bastion for that. They are also way more aware and keep things age appropriate than people are willing to recognize; and if they don't it comes down to unspoken bias, likely driven by their own under-exposure to minorities in their own early childhood years.
 
donaldtoo

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Chi84 said:
Just to clarify, does anyone think this information is wrong for children?
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I, personally, do not.
When we lived in No Cal back in the early 70’s, sex education started for me in the 4th grade. It was called “Family Life Education”, and was definitely more involved than that short film.
My parents didn’t have a problem with it and signed off on it. Pretty sure they thought that if there were questions at some point afterwards, they’d just try and fill in the blanks…!!!!! :hilarious:
Our 3 (now grown) children had similar in school here in Texas, 2+ decades ago.
 
AdventureHasAName

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BrianLo said:
I'm calling out the inconsistency about what is child appropriate. Nothing Disney has released in the last few years pales as sexualized content that wasn't already pushed further in the parks. I watched the Making of Me when I had just turned six, my three and a half year old sibling likely took nothing away from it. I turned into a competent, functional adult.

Heteronormative relationships are allowed to be put on a pedestal, for some reason. I know the reason is entrained bias that most Western nations still broadly hold. The exposure to two cartoon characters kissing was pushing no boundaries, regardless of their genders. Particularly when parents basically teach their toddlers about gender and relationships all across North America without thinking anything of it. The presence of a predominantly black cast is hardly boundary pushing in Marvel Movie #20, but yet apparently it was.

Representation is important to reduce bias amongst future generations and increase empathy, understanding and support for people and minorities kids may be underexposed to in their early childhood years. Disney was and is an important bastion for that. They are also way more aware and keep things age appropriate than people are willing to recognize; and if they don't it comes down to unspoken bias, likely driven by their own under-exposure to minorities in their own early childhood years.
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I have thoughts, but I can't speak them without getting 50 comments deleted from the thread (including my own).
 
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