Line Jumpers/Cutters

Chi84

Premium Member
I was responding to him saying "I am actually shocked I am the only person that seemingly admits there was a time where they felt the need to go to the bathroom before getting on an attraction line." I was giving an example of a time that I actually had to use the bathroom WHILE I was stuck in a line and I still didn't handle it the way that he did.
Yes he did, but he didn’t do that. He cut the line (twice) and then tried to justify it by turning the discussion to people who legitimately have bathroom emergencies.

I apologize if my comment sounded harsh, but I’ve seen too many threads about line cutting derailed by the “but what if someone needs to use the bathroom.” That’s an unforeseen circumstance that reasonable people understand and, as I said earlier, you handled perfectly.

The poster you were responding to sent his party ahead to hold a place for him while he used the bathroom. They should have waited at the line entrance because WDW rules prohibit place holding. In any event, I apologize again for getting too harsh.
 
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mergatroid

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Interesting, this video (albeit 2 years old) states that guests in wheelchairs cannot use the stretching room at the Haunted Mansion as I'd pointed out. So have there been changes to those rules? At the 49 second mark on this video. "If you are utilising a wheelchair you will definitely miss the stretching room as they can't really accommodate you into that area"

 

NelleBelle

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Interesting, this video (albeit 2 years old) states that guests in wheelchairs cannot use the stretching room at the Haunted Mansion as I'd pointed out. So have there been changes to those rules? At the 49 second mark on this video. "If you are utilising a wheelchair you will definitely miss the stretching room as they can't really accommodate you into that area"


Last month my mom, scooter user, was directed into the stretching room along one of the walls. We let everyone go ahead at the end of the stretching room and she was directed to the side where a CM took the scooter and parked it at the exit (outside). We then took a separate queue that bypassed the horde that exits the stretching room and we boarded the doom buggy. This was different from our visit last year.

So at least for last month it was different and was great she could experience the stretching room once again. Which is why the comment we’re all ticked about is so offensive. My mom can ambulate but because she has congestive heart failure and kidney failure, she become short of breath very easy. But to people like the above poster who made such a stink about the guest in the wheelchair walking, their assumption is wrong and frankly, no one’s business.
 

mergatroid

Well-Known Member
Last month my mom, scooter user, was directed into the stretching room along one of the walls. We let everyone go ahead at the end of the stretching room and she was directed to the side where a CM took the scooter and parked it at the exit (outside). We then took a separate queue that bypassed the horde that exits the stretching room and we boarded the doom buggy. This was different from our visit last year.

So at least for last month it was different and was great she could experience the stretching room once again. Which is why the comment we’re all ticked about is so offensive. My mom can ambulate but because she has congestive heart failure and kidney failure, she become short of breath very easy. But to people like the above poster who made such a stink about the guest in the wheelchair walking, their assumption is wrong and frankly, no one’s business.
Thanks for that, it's good to know as we were told the last 4 times we went with our wheelchair bound friend that she couldn't do the stretch room. Hopefully they've changed the rules as it's a big part of the attraction especially for those who've never experienced it before.

I know what you mean about people's 'perception' of those in a wheelchair, many are similar to the poster who commented on it being "Interesting that they could walk on the ride".

I have dystonia which affects my walking and co-ordination and actually had brain surgery last year for it. When travelling to Orlando from the UK it's a really long day. On top of getting to the airport 3 hours before the flight and then up to 15 hours travelling if getting a connecting flight, there's a lot of walking involved. Therefore as I also have to drive once in Orlando after being up for around 20 hours at times, I use a wheelchair at the airport to make life easier. The looks I get as I stand to get our luggage from the baggage reclaim never cease to amaze me. I'm often made to feel a fraud, or guilty because people assume if you can stand and walk that you shouldn't use a wheelchair. I count my blessings that I don't need a wheelchair permanently, it's really no fun using one even on the rare occasions that I do. It always saddens me to read posts on here insinuating that people shouldn't be in wheelchairs if they can seemingly walk a bit without any knowledge of that person's circumstances. To be honest when at the airport I sometimes exaggerate my difficulty in walking just to seemingly 'justify' my use of a wheelchair to strangers staring at me. Yes I actually think "I better not move as fast as I can and exaggerate my limp a bit just to not feel a fraud". My wife knows I do this as she commented one time about my leg being really bad that day only to roll her eyes when I explained what I was doing. Anyhow I hope your mum can continue enjoying the parks and ignore those who judge her without knowing the facts.
 

LeighM

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Last month my mom, scooter user, was directed into the stretching room along one of the walls. We let everyone go ahead at the end of the stretching room and she was directed to the side where a CM took the scooter and parked it at the exit (outside). We then took a separate queue that bypassed the horde that exits the stretching room and we boarded the doom buggy. This was different from our visit last year.

So at least for last month it was different and was great she could experience the stretching room once again. Which is why the comment we’re all ticked about is so offensive. My mom can ambulate but because she has congestive heart failure and kidney failure, she become short of breath very easy. But to people like the above poster who made such a stink about the guest in the wheelchair walking, their assumption is wrong and frankly, no one’s business.
Thanks for that, it's good to know as we were told the last 4 times we went with our wheelchair bound friend that she couldn't do the stretch room. Hopefully they've changed the rules as it's a big part of the attraction especially for those who've never experienced it before.

I know what you mean about people's 'perception' of those in a wheelchair, many are similar to the poster who commented on it being "Interesting that they could walk on the ride".

I have dystonia which affects my walking and co-ordination and actually had brain surgery last year for it. When travelling to Orlando from the UK it's a really long day. On top of getting to the airport 3 hours before the flight and then up to 15 hours travelling if getting a connecting flight, there's a lot of walking involved. Therefore as I also have to drive once in Orlando after being up for around 20 hours at times, I use a wheelchair at the airport to make life easier. The looks I get as I stand to get our luggage from the baggage reclaim never cease to amaze me. I'm often made to feel a fraud, or guilty because people assume if you can stand and walk that you shouldn't use a wheelchair. I count my blessings that I don't need a wheelchair permanently, it's really no fun using one even on the rare occasions that I do. It always saddens me to read posts on here insinuating that people shouldn't be in wheelchairs if they can seemingly walk a bit without any knowledge of that person's circumstances. To be honest when at the airport I sometimes exaggerate my difficulty in walking just to seemingly 'justify' my use of a wheelchair to strangers staring at me. Yes I actually think "I better not move as fast as I can and exaggerate my limp a bit just to not feel a fraud". My wife knows I do this as she commented one time about my leg being really bad that day only to roll her eyes when I explained what I was doing. Anyhow I hope your mum can continue enjoying the parks and ignore those who judge her without knowing the facts.

Just to jump on this really quickly. This is also a sensitive topic for me with my experiences with some family members and a good friend of mine who has a special needs child. Some people can't comprehend that not all handicaps are visible. But what makes me even angrier is that many people believe that because they've either seen, or have known, people who abuse the system. For example. My Mom had a handicapped placard and I would never use it when using her vehicle unless she was with me and we would use it in our car if she was riding with us. Because, obviously, that's what it's for. However. And this is a HUGE however. When I went on an out of town trip with my husband's family, his extremely able bodied brother used his grandmother's handicap parking placard to park closer to the hotel, etc. Was his grandmother with him? NO!!! She loaned it to him to make his life easier. I said something because that's taking spots away from people who legit have a need for it - like my mom, grandfather, and my friend for her son. Yet his family had an issue with me calling him out on his BS and thought I was being judgmental lol. It's people like my BIL that probably make people like this poster think that anyone who appears "normal" and is using a wheelchair is trying to game the system or something.
 
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Chi84

Premium Member
Just to jump on this really quickly. This is also a sensitive topic for me with my experiences with some family members and a good friend of mine who has a special needs child. Some people can't comprehend that not all handicaps are visible. But what makes me even angrier is that many people believe that because they've either seen, or have known, people who abuse the system. For example. My Mom had a handicapped placard and I would never use it when using her vehicle unless she was with me and we would use it in our car if she was riding with us. Because, obviously, that's what it's for. However. And this is a HUGE however. When I went on an out of town trip with my husband's family, his extremely able bodied brother used his grandmother's handicap parking placard to park closer to the hotel, etc. Was his grandmother with him? NO!!! She loaned it to him to make his life easier. I said something because that's taking spots away from people who legit have a need for it - like my mom, grandfather, and my friend for her son. Yet his family had an issue with me calling him out on his BS and thought I was being judgmental lol. It's people like my BIL that probably make people like this poster think that any able bodied person using a wheelchair is gaming the system or something.
I don’t know what’s wrong with some people. There should be a special place in hell for people who abuse systems designed to make life more bearable and enjoyable for people with disabilities.
 

mergatroid

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I don’t know what’s wrong with some people. There should be a special place in hell for people who abuse systems designed to make life more bearable and enjoyable for people with disabilities.
In England there's a big problem at Supermarkets with none disabled people parking in the disabled bay parking spaces near the entrance. I've seen a few times people complaining to the staff about it only to be told "there's not much we can do about it". They could do something about it as it's their private property but what they really mean is "management don't want to upset them as they're buying food from us every week and that trumps punishing them for taking a disabled parking space".
 

Walt Disney1955

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Yes he did, but he didn’t do that. He cut the line (twice) and then tried to justify it by turning the discussion to people who legitimately have bathroom emergencies.

I apologize if my comment sounded harsh, but I’ve seen too many threads about line cutting derailed by the “but what if someone needs to use the bathroom.” That’s an unforeseen circumstance that reasonable people understand and, as I said earlier, you handled perfectly.

The poster you were responding to sent his party ahead to hold a place for him while he used the bathroom. They should have waited at the line entrance because WDW rules prohibit place holding. In any event, I apologize again for getting too harsh.

I think you take things far too personally. But that's your business. The Pirates situation is not a big deal, I am not sure why you think it was. There are those moments where you all sit down to eat or use the washroom prior to lining up and there are other times when you might be the only one and know it will take a few minutes and on a very busy day feel it is better to get in as much as you can and catch up in a few minutes. If people care about that, well, sorry, I think they need to get a life. I've never been bothered by that if I saw someone do it. If you did, then oh well. It is a family doing time management. I can sort of tell who the posters are that don't have children. Just a hunch.

Edit: I noticed you quoted me in the other post. Strangely enough, on that ride I had to "scoot" past some people without actually having to do it. I'd have to explain what I mean by that, but it isn't really relevant to the topic.
 
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Walt Disney1955

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I've had to leave the line only once and I was highly embarrassed and apologetic. We were in an hour long wait for Rise of the Resistance due to a ride break down and we were stuck behind the waterfall for a while with no idea when the ride would restart. I had to climb around all of those people to get to the bathroom (too many switchbacks to count with no easy, quick exit out) before a bladder accident apologizing to each one. I got to the end of the line and explained to the cast member what happened and asked where the nearest restroom was. Unfortunately for me, the line started moving again as soon as I entered the bathroom. When I got back, I went to the CM and he asked where my husband currently was in line. After getting (and proving) his location, I asked him to move to the side when he got to a specific location to let others pass him by. The CM then sent me to someone else who walked me backstage and reconnected me with my husband at the hidden door next to where he was standing. Then we rejoined the procession. We always use the restroom before getting in a long line or ride (to try and avoid incidents like this) and always wait for each other. I'm sure the people I had to walk by to get out clearly remembered me and the fact that I was escorted by a CM to meet back up with my husband also made things okay for them. But if I had to walk in front of all of those new people that had entered the line that didn't see me walk out, would've had issues if I had just casually pushed by to get in front of them.

I think what you did was understandable. Now, I am saying this personally, but I am going to guess you'll have some detractors (unfortunately) with what you did. And I don't think you were "pushing" through by any stretch of the imagination. Nor do I think the people you were walking by were that concerned as people would have you believe on here.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
I think you take things far too personally. But that's your business. The Pirates situation is not a big deal, I am not sure why you think it was. There are those moments where you all sit down to eat or use the washroom prior to lining up and there are other times when you might be the only one and know it will take a few minutes and on a very busy day feel it is better to get in as much as you can and catch up in a few minutes. If people care about that, well, sorry, I think they need to get a life. I've never been bothered by that if I saw someone do it. If you did, then oh well. It is a family doing time management. I can sort of tell who the posters are that don't have children. Just a hunch.

Edit: I noticed you quoted me in the other post. Strangely enough, on that ride I had to "scoot" past some people without actually having to do it. I'd have to explain what I mean by that, but it isn't really relevant to the topic.
For heaven’s sake, people like you push past me and the rest of my family, including grandchildren, all the time. It doesn’t ruin my day.

My only issue is that you don’t seem to realize that WDW rules expressly prohibit part of your party getting in line and then saving a place for you while you finish eating, go to the bathroom or whatever.

Place holding for other members of your party is not allowed because Disney doesn’t want people pushing past each other in line and provoking the kind of confrontation you described at HM.

If you’ve decided the rules don’t apply to you, there’s nothing anyone here can do about it. But please don’t insult the rest of us who know how to stand in lines and teach that to our kids.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
I think what you did was understandable. Now, I am saying this personally, but I am going to guess you'll have some detractors (unfortunately) with what you did. And I don't think you were "pushing" through by any stretch of the imagination. Nor do I think the people you were walking by were that concerned as people would have you believe on here.
This poster has no detractors here, no one said she was “pushing,” and she followed what the CM told her to do. But I’m sure she’ll feel better knowing you’re on her side.
 

Walt Disney1955

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For heaven’s sake, people like you push past me and the rest of my family, including grandchildren, all the time. It doesn’t ruin my day.

My only issue is that you don’t seem to realize that WDW rules expressly prohibit part of your party getting in line and then saving a place for you while you finish eating, go to the bathroom or whatever.

Place holding for other members of your party is not allowed because Disney doesn’t want people pushing past each other in line and provoking the kind of confrontation you described at HM.

If you’ve decided the rules don’t apply to you, there’s nothing anyone here can do about it. But please don’t insult the rest of us who know how to stand in lines and teach that to our kids.

Who pushes past anyone? I never have. I'm a very big guy, so I would unfortunately ruin a lot of days if I was reckless and was just "pushing" past people. You can do it in a polite way, which is really all I've ever seen. In the rare time it has happened to me, that's how I've done it too. People respond well to politeness, not getting bodychecked. Somewhere along the lines you've painted me as someone who has done this. Anyway, it is not ideal to have to re-enter a line and not something I would go out of my way to do........................but it can happen, things come up, and I think people just need to relax about it.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Who pushes past anyone? I never have. I'm a very big guy, so I would unfortunately ruin a lot of days if I was reckless and was just "pushing" past people. You can do it in a polite way, which is really all I've ever seen. In the rare time it has happened to me, that's how I've done it too. People respond well to politeness, not getting bodychecked. Somewhere along the lines you've painted me as someone who has done this. Anyway, it is not ideal to have to re-enter a line and not something I would go out of my way to do........................but it can happen, things come up, and I think people just need to relax about it.
No one’s talking about unforeseen issues and neither of your examples involved something unforeseen.

You’ve told people several times to stop worrying about what you’re doing. From the posts in this thread it seems most people feel you should just stop doing it.
 

Walt Disney1955

Well-Known Member
No one’s talking about unforeseen issues and neither of your examples involved something unforeseen.

You’ve told people several times to stop worrying about what you’re doing. From the posts in this thread it seems most people feel you should just stop doing it.

The fireworks going off right above our heads was unforeseen. Having some kids take a peek at them is really not a big deal. No one got hurt, and no one even cared. We were in 20 lineups all day and you act as if this is just a routine thing that I do in every line up. It was kids seeing a glimpse of some fireworks, relax man.
 

mergatroid

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The fireworks going off right above our heads was unforeseen. Having some kids take a peek at them is really not a big deal. No one got hurt, and no one even cared. We were in 20 lineups all day and you act as if this is just a routine thing that I do in every line up. It was kids seeing a glimpse of some fireworks, relax man.
You seem to change your story to suit your agenda and try to convince everyone that you know how everyone you pass in line feels about it. There's many posters on this very thread explaining that what you did was wrong but your response appears to be "that they have too much time on their hands" or "are overthinking things because nobody in the line cared".

As well as insinuating that a person in a wheelchair is somehow 'interesting' if they can get up and step into the ride vehicle (which you've conveniently chosen to not comment on or try to justify again), you're now seemingly trying to play the victim here because people don't agree with you. One post you say you passed 60 - 70 people to get to your family on Pirates, a few posts late you're changing the story to you met your family at the turn in the queue and just stepped over the rope. Which version of the story is true and why does it change? If there were 60 - 70 people between the end of the queue and where you jumped the rope to join your family (meaning you technically didn't pass them), then how do you know that none of them were bothered?

You now appear to be trying the other method of diverting the topic at hand by trying to change the story to comparing it to a toilet emergency. You've also changed it to appear that it's about kids wanting to see fireworks as though people questioning your behaviour are supposed to feel bad because kids are involved even though that has nothing to do with your philosophy on line etiquette or park rules even. This is proven by your justification of sending your family ahead in Pirates whilst you visit the toilet. No doubt we're expected to understand that people need the toilet now an then as though that's the issue people have with what you did, again it's irrelevant and is simply about you thinking it's ok to send your family ahead. You try diverting the attention away from the act you did by changing the conversation to how you don't 'push past people' even though the term was meant to signify passing people in line with nobody seriously thinking you were grabbing people and physically moving them out of the way in a violent manner.

It's like listening to a politician speaking the way you've morphed this story into something it's not. Let's compare it to legitimate reasons to leave the line. Let's keep repeating the ages of the young children who just wanted to view the fireworks and hope people see that it's about young kids and feel sorry for them. Let's say that nobody got hurt, despite nobody claiming otherwise. Let's say people responding have too much time on their hands to discuss it, despite you being the one posting most about it and making excuses rather than perhaps accepting your part in it and maybe saying that you'd just not thought it through.

You seemingly want to detract from the points made and not apologise for your insinuation about people in wheelchairs, despite several people clearly giving examples of why people are offended by what you said. If you want to have the view that people in wheelchairs may be using them when they don't have to and that there's nothing wrong with sending your family ahead of you whilst you do x, y or z, then post that and have the courage to stand by your convictions. You'd probably get more respect doing that than trying to change the story or bring in factors that are irrelevant to your actions and try to make out that you're the victim here.

As for people needing to relax or having too much time on their hands by responding, I don't see anyone suggesting that it's the worst crime in the world or that they lose sleep over your actions. It's more that it's frankly amazing that you don't seem to show any accountability to your 'philosophy' and people are just trying to get their point across and hope you see it from their perspective. The fact nobody seems to be defending you and numerous posters have criticised your actions, would cause most people to self evaluate their actions and think perhaps nobody being on my side may mean that perhaps I'm wrong on some level. Instead it's deflecting and blaming factors that are irrelevant. That's all that's being said really but I'm sure you'll just keep insisting "it was for young children", "nobody got hurt" and "nobody cared except a guy in a wheelchair who interestingly could walk".
 
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Chi84

Premium Member
You seem to change your story to suit your agenda and try to convince everyone that you know how everyone you pass in line feels about it. There's many posters on this very thread explaining that what you did was wrong but your response appears to be "that they have too much time on their hands" or "are overthinking things because nobody in the line cared".

As well as insinuating that a person in a wheelchair is somehow 'interesting' if they can get up and step into the ride vehicle (which you've conveniently chosen to not comment on or try to justify again), you're now seemingly trying to play the victim here because people don't agree with you. One post you say you passed 60 - 70 people to get to your family on Pirates, a few posts late you're changing the story to you met your family at the turn in the queue and just stepped over the rope. Which version of the story is true and why does it change? If there were 60 - 70 people between the end of the queue and where you jumped the rope to join your family (meaning you technically didn't pass them), then how do you know that none of them were bothered?

You now appear to be trying the other method of diverting the topic at hand by trying to change the story to comparing it to a toilet emergency. You've also changed it to appear that it's about kids wanting to see fireworks as though people questioning your behaviour are supposed to feel bad because kids are involved even though that has nothing to do with your philosophy on line etiquette or park rules even. This is proven by your justification of sending your family ahead in Pirates whilst you visit the toilet. No doubt we're expected to understand that people need the toilet now an then as though that's the issue people have with what you did, again it's irrelevant and is simply about you thinking it's ok to send your family ahead. You try diverting the attention away from the act you did by changing the conversation to how you don't 'push past people' even though the term was meant to signify passing people in line with nobody seriously thinking you were grabbing people and physically moving them out of the way in a violent manner.

It's like listening to a politician speaking the way you've morphed this story into something it's not. Let's compare it to legitimate reasons to leave the line. Let's keep repeating the ages of the young children who just wanted to view the fireworks and hope people see that as the cause despite this having nothing to do with your Pirates story. Let's say that nobody got hurt, despite nobody claiming otherwise. Let's say people responding have too much time on their hands to discuss it, despite you being the one posting most about it and making excuses rather than instead of perhaps accepting your part in it and maybe saying that you'd just not thought it through.

You seemingly want to detract from the points made and not apologise for your insinuation about people in wheelchairs, despite several people clearly giving examples of why people are offended by what you said. If you want to have the view that people in wheelchairs may be using them when they don't have to and that there's nothing wrong with sending your family ahead of you whilst you do x, y or z, then post that and have the courage to stand by your convictions. You'd probably get more respect doing that than trying to change the story or bring in factors that are irrelevant to your actions and try to make out that you're the victim here.

As for people needing to relax or having too much time on their hands by responding, I don't see anyone suggesting that it's the worst crime in the world or that they lose sleep over your actions. It's more that it's frankly amazing that you don't seem to show any accountability to your 'philosophy' and people are just trying to get their point across and hope you see it from their perspective. The fact nobody seems to be defending you and numerous posters have criticised your actions, would cause most people to self evaluate their actions and think perhaps nobody being on my side may mean that perhaps I'm wrong on some level. Instead it's deflecting and blaming factors that are irrelevant. That's all that's being said really.
I’m pretty sure he knows all that; he just thinks people shouldn’t care.
 

graphite1326

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I've had to leave the line only once and I was highly embarrassed and apologetic. We were in an hour long wait for Rise of the Resistance due to a ride break down and we were stuck behind the waterfall for a while with no idea when the ride would restart. I had to climb around all of those people to get to the bathroom (too many switchbacks to count with no easy, quick exit out) before a bladder accident apologizing to each one. I got to the end of the line and explained to the cast member what happened and asked where the nearest restroom was. Unfortunately for me, the line started moving again as soon as I entered the bathroom. When I got back, I went to the CM and he asked where my husband currently was in line. After getting (and proving) his location, I asked him to move to the side when he got to a specific location to let others pass him by. The CM then sent me to someone else who walked me backstage and reconnected me with my husband at the hidden door next to where he was standing. Then we rejoined the procession. We always use the restroom before getting in a long line or ride (to try and avoid incidents like this) and always wait for each other. I'm sure the people I had to walk by to get out clearly remembered me and the fact that I was escorted by a CM to meet back up with my husband also made things okay for them. But if I had to walk in front of all of those new people that had entered the line that didn't see me walk out, would've had issues if I had just casually pushed by to get in front of them.
I could be wrong but doesn't RotR have a restroom about halfway through the queue line? It was either that or Smugglers run. One of them I had to use it and then had to catch up with my wife. Nobody seemed to mind as I did catch up.
 

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