Line Jumpers/Cutters

[LittleBuford]

Never got a reaction and have done it in front of CMs. So what you THINk isn't a rule.

Perhaps we can ask a CM to weigh in. @castlecake2.0, might I impose on you?

 

[TalkToEthan]

but no one is inconveninced or made to wait longer.

Yes, that’s what I’m saying; no ‘victim’, no one adversely affected

 

[TalkToEthan]

Based on the CMs' reactions when people do it, there must be a rule against it. Primarily for safety reasons, I should think.

When looking to eliminate travel through multiple empty (or near empty)switchbacks one could do it without compromising safety:

instead of hopping(and risking injury) fixed rails look for chains intended for quick traffic changes——they are equipped with spring loaded latches.

Even posts that look fixed might well have a pivot allowing for quick change in direction and flow. Oh and make sure to “replace all divots” as you should return it to its original direction after use.

Safety first!

 

[LittleBuford]

When looking to eliminate travel through multiple empty (or near empty)switchbacks one could do it without compromising safety:

instead of hopping(and risking injury) fixed rails look for chains intended for quick traffic changes——they are equipped with spring loaded latches.

Even posts that look fixed might well have a pivot allowing for quick change in direction and flow. Oh and make sure to “replace all divots” as you should return it to its original direction after use.

Safety first!

I should think guests aren't meant to use the latches either.

 

[happymom25]

I don't think there is an actual rule against it.

Of course there’s a rule against it. Just like there’s a rule against swimming in the castle moat or climbing the Tomorrowland arch to do some chin ups. Disney doesn’t make you sign off on a rule book before you enter their parks, but there are plenty of common sense rules that guests are expected to follow. If there are line barriers, you’re expected to walk around them, not jump over them. This is standard procedure in our entire world. And yes I’ve had a child duck under (simply because they thought it was fun, not to cut anyone off) and they were corrected by a CM. Which I fully supported. I also witnessed a grown man fall hard in the little mermaid queue because he tried to jump over the chains and his foot got caught. Not only is it a courtesy issue, it’s a safety issue.

 

[TalkToEthan]

I should think guests aren't meant to use the latches either.

Ya, I’d think you’re right.

. I also witnessed a grown man fall hard in the little mermaid queue because he tried to jump over the chains and his foot got caught.

This be ripe time for some Donny Osmond:
“One bad apple don’t spoil the whole barrel”

That guy is messing things up for us.

 

[graphite1326]

Of course there’s a rule against it. Just like there’s a rule against swimming in the castle moat or climbing the Tomorrowland arch to do some chin ups. Disney doesn’t make you sign off on a rule book before you enter their parks, but there are plenty of common sense rules that guests are expected to follow. If there are line barriers, you’re expected to walk around them, not jump over them. This is standard procedure in our entire world. And yes I’ve had a child duck under (simply because they thought it was fun, not to cut anyone off) and they were corrected by a CM. Which I fully supported. I also witnessed a grown man fall hard in the little mermaid queue because he tried to jump over the chains and his foot got caught. Not only is it a courtesy issue, it’s a safety issue.

You don't know. You're making that up. There is a big difference between swimming in a moat and ducking under the chains. How do you know that that particular CM was just on a power trip. I've done it in front of CMs and nothing was said. By the way jumping over is just stupid.

 

[LittleBuford]

You don't know. You're making that up. There is a big difference between swimming in a moat and ducking under the chains. How do you know that that particular CM was just on a power trip. I've done it in front of CMs and nothing was said. By the way jumping over is just stupid.

Why did you ask others' opinions if you're just going to snipe at them for giving you answers you don't like?

 

[castlecake2.0]

Perhaps we can ask a CM to weigh in. @castlecake2.0, might I impose on you?

Yah going under ropes a no-no. Sometimes by the time it happens it’s too late for the CM to be bothered to say something, but ropes and stanchions are usually there for a reason and should be followed. Also I’ve seen more than a few guests try to duck under or hop over and catch themselves on the chain and fall and hurt themselves.

 

[TalkToEthan]

for those who frown on manipulating chains and rails how do you feel about those who aborted/left the line after being deep in a filled queue?

Instead of backtracking through the normal line and giving hundreds of people minor disruptions they unlatch chains and/or duck between rails cutting off switchbacks and ultimately affect fewer people.

 

[wdwfan22]

I don't think there is an actual rule against it.

Yes there is Cast Membees yell constantly not to go under or over the ropes.

 

[wdwfan22]

Maybe you are mad cause you can't

No I know how to follow the rules. And if you can’t walk an extra few steps you probably shouldn’t visit a theme park.

 

[Walt Disney1955]

I was at EPCOT yesterday and went to ride Test Track. I have a DAS so we were going through the lightning lane. A man and his daughter entered the single rider line and after entering the building, opened the chain rope and entered the lightning lane in front of us. He then got on his phone and bragged to whomever that he was skipping the line and didn't have to pay telling them to do the same. I smirked to myself as I knew that there was another scan checkpoint before entering the car design area. We got to that point and the cast member was looking the other way, so he and his daughter just walked in and acted like they scanned and received a number.

Here is what happened next, which my husband said that I exhibited Karen-like behavior: I reported them to the cast member and told her that they did not scan and cut in line in front of us from the single rider line. The man tried to claim he did not understand English, but I told the CM he was speaking English in the line. They ended up removing them from the line and escorted them out of the building. The CM thanked me.

Would you have done the same or just let it be?

I'd have let it be. It isn't often you can get away with that, so he likely couldn't do it twice. You paid a ton of money to be at that park, and the last thing I'd want to be is a Karen in that situation.

Here is a good example of a time when I had a Karen in my line and I actually was NOT in the wrong. Haunted Mansion line, we skipped the fireworks to get in to some rides we hadn't done yet. So we are in line, my wife and kids felt they had enough time to run out onto the main walkway and see the fireworks the best they could. 5 minutes or so. Well, the line was going faster than I thought so I had another relative with me and he stayed in line while I went to go get them and bring them back. They were coming back anyway, and so I was gone for 10 seconds out of the line, but still had someone in our place. We come back and get in the line and a young guy and his girlfriend(?) start complaining to me that I cut in. He's in a wheelchair and as I am trying to get past him his girlfriend actually tries to run me over. I was pretty surprised and tried to tell him that we had someone in our place and I was just getting my kids. He was a classic Karen, didn't listen to reason, and he complained to a cast member who sort of just smiled at me as if to say "Yeah don't worry, I think the guy is an idiot too." I explained it to her and left it at that. Here is the kicker, we all ended up in the same stretch room so nothing changed one way or another.

Then I noticed he got up rather comfortably from his wheelchair and got onto the ride vehicle. Hmmm. Interesting.

Anyway, the point is that WDW is the last place I want to start a verbal fight with anyone.

 

[Chi84]

I'd have let it be. It isn't often you can get away with that, so he likely couldn't do it twice. You paid a ton of money to be at that park, and the last thing I'd want to be is a Karen in that situation.

Here is a good example of a time when I had a Karen in my line and I actually was NOT in the wrong. Haunted Mansion line, we skipped the fireworks to get in to some rides we hadn't done yet. So we are in line, my wife and kids felt they had enough time to run out onto the main walkway and see the fireworks the best they could. 5 minutes or so. Well, the line was going faster than I thought so I had another relative with me and he stayed in line while I went to go get them and bring them back. They were coming back anyway, and so I was gone for 10 seconds out of the line, but still had someone in our place. We come back and get in the line and a young guy and his girlfriend(?) start complaining to me that I cut in. He's in a wheelchair and as I am trying to get past him his girlfriend actually tries to run me over. I was pretty surprised and tried to tell him that we had someone in our place and I was just getting my kids. He was a classic Karen, didn't listen to reason, and he complained to a cast member who sort of just smiled at me as if to say "Yeah don't worry, I think the guy is an idiot too." I explained it to her and left it at that. Here is the kicker, we all ended up in the same stretch room so nothing changed one way or another.

Then I noticed he got up rather comfortably from his wheelchair and got onto the ride vehicle. Hmmm. Interesting.

Anyway, the point is that WDW is the last place I want to start a verbal fight with anyone.

I wouldn’t have done what you did, though. Most theme parks say if you leave the line you can’t come back in. I’d have had the kids choose between seeing the fireworks and going on the ride. I’m not so sure you weren’t in the wrong.

 

[Ayla]

I'd have let it be. It isn't often you can get away with that, so he likely couldn't do it twice. You paid a ton of money to be at that park, and the last thing I'd want to be is a Karen in that situation.

Here is a good example of a time when I had a Karen in my line and I actually was NOT in the wrong. Haunted Mansion line, we skipped the fireworks to get in to some rides we hadn't done yet. So we are in line, my wife and kids felt they had enough time to run out onto the main walkway and see the fireworks the best they could. 5 minutes or so. Well, the line was going faster than I thought so I had another relative with me and he stayed in line while I went to go get them and bring them back. They were coming back anyway, and so I was gone for 10 seconds out of the line, but still had someone in our place. We come back and get in the line and a young guy and his girlfriend(?) start complaining to me that I cut in. He's in a wheelchair and as I am trying to get past him his girlfriend actually tries to run me over. I was pretty surprised and tried to tell him that we had someone in our place and I was just getting my kids. He was a classic Karen, didn't listen to reason, and he complained to a cast member who sort of just smiled at me as if to say "Yeah don't worry, I think the guy is an idiot too." I explained it to her and left it at that. Here is the kicker, we all ended up in the same stretch room so nothing changed one way or another.

Then I noticed he got up rather comfortably from his wheelchair and got onto the ride vehicle. Hmmm. Interesting.

Anyway, the point is that WDW is the last place I want to start a verbal fight with anyone.

Yeah, you were wrong.

 

[Walt Disney1955]

I wouldn’t have done what you did, though. Most theme parks say if you leave the line you can’t come back in. I’d have had the kids choose between seeing the fireworks and going on the ride. I’m not so sure you weren’t in the wrong.

Yeah, you were wrong.

These are kids 12 and under we are talking about. Sorry, I disagree. Nothing changes if they are in the line or if they aren't. The line wasn't left unattended. And even the "Karen's" complaint was not that the kids came into the line, it is that I left and "budded" back in. Despite already having someone in our place. This is like saying you can't go to the bathroom and come back in a long line. We have all done that and we all have seen people do this and no one (rarely) cares. Well, I met someone that cared on that line for some reason.

 

[Chi84]

These are kids 12 and under we are talking about. Sorry, I disagree. Nothing changes if they are in the line or if they aren't. The line wasn't left unattended. And even the "Karen's" complaint was not that the kids came into the line, it is that I left and "budded" back in. Despite already having someone in our place. This is like saying you can't go to the bathroom and come back in a long line. We have all done that and we all have seen people do this and no one (rarely) cares. Well, I met someone that cared on that line for some reason.

Honestly, I think there's a difference between an emergency trip to the bathroom and sending part of your group out to see fireworks or do other things more interesting than standing in line with the rest of their party. You're going to get some valid disagreement on this one because I don't think many people would have done what you did and considered it okay.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

These are kids 12 and under we are talking about. Sorry, I disagree. Nothing changes if they are in the line or if they aren't. The line wasn't left unattended. And even the "Karen's" complaint was not that the kids came into the line, it is that I left and "budded" back in. Despite already having someone in our place. This is like saying you can't go to the bathroom and come back in a long line. We have all done that and we all have seen people do this and no one (rarely) cares. Well, I met someone that cared on that line for some reason.

Are you 12 and under? If these are small kids why are you sending them alone in the first place? Dude, I don't think you understand what a Karen is, because YOU were Karen, in this case. You wanted the kids to see the fireworks and ride the ride. The line is short because people CHOSE to watch the fireworks. If everyone sent a group rep into the lines that line wouldn't be so short.

 

[LittleBuford]

Then I noticed he got up rather comfortably from his wheelchair and got onto the ride vehicle. Hmmm. Interesting.

This is a really nasty insinuation, and totally irrelevant to your story.

 

[castlecake2.0]

I'd have let it be. It isn't often you can get away with that, so he likely couldn't do it twice. You paid a ton of money to be at that park, and the last thing I'd want to be is a Karen in that situation.

Here is a good example of a time when I had a Karen in my line and I actually was NOT in the wrong. Haunted Mansion line, we skipped the fireworks to get in to some rides we hadn't done yet. So we are in line, my wife and kids felt they had enough time to run out onto the main walkway and see the fireworks the best they could. 5 minutes or so. Well, the line was going faster than I thought so I had another relative with me and he stayed in line while I went to go get them and bring them back. They were coming back anyway, and so I was gone for 10 seconds out of the line, but still had someone in our place. We come back and get in the line and a young guy and his girlfriend(?) start complaining to me that I cut in. He's in a wheelchair and as I am trying to get past him his girlfriend actually tries to run me over. I was pretty surprised and tried to tell him that we had someone in our place and I was just getting my kids. He was a classic Karen, didn't listen to reason, and he complained to a cast member who sort of just smiled at me as if to say "Yeah don't worry, I think the guy is an idiot too." I explained it to her and left it at that. Here is the kicker, we all ended up in the same stretch room so nothing changed one way or another.

Then I noticed he got up rather comfortably from his wheelchair and got onto the ride vehicle. Hmmm. Interesting.

Anyway, the point is that WDW is the last place I want to start a verbal fight with anyone.

Yah that’s not how it works