Lilo and Stitch live-action remake

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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Well, think for yourself. This is getting old. You’re agonizing over something so unimportant as seeing a movie - which you refuse to experience? Because…you heard stuff?

What did you hear? The BS that Lilo gets taken by the State? Because she doesn’t. That her sister abandons her? Because she doesn’t. That’s not even a spoiler. It’s like saying Dorothy doesn’t catch fire at the end of the Wizard of Oz, because it’s that preposterous.

Be very discerning in what you read and believe in all areas of life.

I am all for standing on principle, but do you realize how insignificant your $15 is to a (probably) billion dollar movie? You will neither help nor harm Disney whether you see it or not.

But there is yet another weak, concerted effort by the perpetually offended to pretend it is awful and “woke” or non-traditional or whatever. I’m so over it.

The film is adorable. All the people telling you they are crying at the end contradict the “it has no heart” baloney.

So the reality is you are also hearing it’s adorable and has heart, because I just told you. It’s not “The Godfather” or “Casablanca,” just a fun time at the theater.

The stakes are not high. Do what you want, but please stop torturing us.

Sorry to be blunt.
Yes, I am thinking for myself. I am seeing people say "this is what happened in the movie" and choosing to not see it based on my own tastes and beliefs. I have a principle of not seeing these live action films, that's a decision I made for myself long before it was "popular" to do so. Movies live and die by word-of-mouth, so to say that choosing whether or not to see a movie based on word-of-mouth and not seeing is bad undermines how the movie industry works. People are allowed to have opinions of whether or not they want to see a movie without actually seeing it. If a movie has bad word-of-mouth, that's the movie and its marketing's problem. And to say "oh well $15 is insignificant in the grand scheme of things" is just a lazy excuse to justify seeing it even if you're against it. I guarantee you that there are enough people out there actively choosing not to see this to make up a notable amount of lost income- not more than it makes without them, of course, but look at how many people protested Snow White (for reasons that may or may not have been valid)- it bombed. People choosing to vote with their wallet works whether you want to believe it does or not.

And to what I heard- yeah, it's what happens. I have seen dozens and dozens of people say the same exact thing, I have read the official plot summary, I have even looked at clips that have surfaced online of said scenes. You can argue semantics because "oh well Lilo gets given to the neighbor, so technically Nani didn't give her to the state" (even though Nani gave Lilo to the state and the state gave her to the neighbor) and "oh she has a portal gun so she can visit whenever" but that's ignoring the fact that the decision to give Lilo to the foster care system, which just so happens to favorably home Lilo, happened. And it is a very real-world issue in Hawaii of indigenous children being put into the foster care system because it's "better" for them than to live with their families, so for the movie to depict it in a positive manner is enough of a reason for many to not see it. That, plus the absolute butchering of Jumba, the removal of Pleakley's dressing in drag, the casting of a non-Hawaiian girl (half white, half Filipino) to play Nani and the artificial darkening of her skin instead of just casting an actual Hawaiian actress (this is not saying she's a bad actress), the sanitation of the "tourism negatively affects natives" message because of Aulani, the changing of the core message of the original... there's plenty of criticisms being talked about online that are true and valid. The people complaining this movie is "woke" are morons who would've never given this movie a chance anyways- if they did, they'd see it's actually far from it and is more conservative than the original (again, the removal of Pleakley doing drag and the whole message about tourism shows this). I have also seen people praise this movie- but the positives I have seen and don't disagree with are not enough to counter the negatives I have seen and agree with, and they're certainly not enough to counter my entire belief about these movies and how they are an insult to the medium of animation and the animators like myself who work so hard to make these works of art.

The stakes are high with this one, but only because it's the deciding factor on whether or not these remakes are going to keep happening. The bombing of Snow White made Disney cancel some remakes in production, but this remake doing well is going to reverse that decision. Those are the stakes- if it succeeds (which it has), we get more of these. If it fails (which it hasn't), we don't.

You can feel how you want. You are allowed to love this movie. People can love this film and think it's better than the original, they can cry their eyes out at the ending, they can do and say whatever they want. I never said they couldn't, nor am I denying that they are. The box office and audience reviews show that, for better or for worse, this movie is doing great with general audiences. I said I didn't understand why this one is more popular than other remakes despite being of a similar quality, but I never said "you are not allowed to like this film and you're wrong if you do."

All I did was state my opinion and some people got defensive after drawing incorrect conclusions about myself or my knowledge of the film- if it's "torture" to hear an opinion other than your own, maybe you need to reconsider things. You're agonizing over something so unimportant as someone having a different opinion about a movie than you.

Maybe you won't feel differently, but you'll never know until you actually see it. Also the "changes" aren't actually bad, they are just different. Had they been part of the original movie no one would have thought twice about it. Basically its not "ruining" anyone's childhood here, its just enough of a difference to make the story feel fresh while still keeping the story the same overall.


I mean think of this way, you're not spending money to support the film you're spending money to support your local movie theater (which actually needs it). And if you happen to enjoy it in the process then even better. And the added benefit is that maybe you'll figure out why its gotten such positive reactions despite those changes you heard about.
I think if the original movie had the changes the remake added, it wouldn't be as beloved. I'm serious. Some of the changes take all the stakes and tension out of the movie, the message is weaker than the original, and some changes play into cliches rather than originality. It'd still be loved, sure, because Stitch is a merchandizing powerhouse. But the original is so beloved BECAUSE of what it does with its characters, story, and themes. There's a reason why so many people look back so fondly on Lilo & Stitch and not, say, Chicken Little.

And for as many movies that I actively choose to not see in theaters, there are ones I go out of my way to see. I drove over an hour each to see Robot Dreams and The Day The Earth Blew Up to support their box office runs. I just went to my local theater to see Friendship on Tuesday, and I saw Thunderbolts the other weekend. I'm not hurting my theater any more by not seeing another pointless live action remake than someone who's choosing not to see a film that I like. Yeah, local theaters are hurting, but the solution isn't "you should see every movie, including the ones you don't want to see."
 

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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If Disney did this with their own films, they could print so much money. No production costs, less marketing costs, and tons of easy profit. Not as much as a "new" movie, of course, but there are tons of people who would love to see classics on the big screen. Ghibli Fest is a smash hit every year at my local Cinemark, so a "Disney Fest" with a classic film every month or every two weeks would likely do just as well.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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If Disney did this with their own films, they could print so much money. No production costs, less marketing costs, and tons of easy profit. Not as much as a "new" movie, of course, but there are tons of people who would love to see classics on the big screen. Ghibli Fest is a smash hit every year at my local Cinemark, so a "Disney Fest" with a classic film every month or every two weeks would likely do just as well.
Agreed, on top of it, if Disney wanted to invest in marketing/merchandising similar to the remake, nothing is stopping them from doing so. Just look at how much Ghibli merchandise continues to do also and imagine how much even ‘that’ would be bolstered with bigger marketing & merch campaign budgets. With that considered, They’d still be spending far less on re-releasing the classic films in theaters w a high-def print, that gurantees a far wider success critically as-is. All in all, rereleasing the classics with the marketing & merchandising campaign I mentioned would only be a win-win scenario on Disney’s hands. Keep in mind, the Ghibli films (not to mention merchandise) still do well both short & long-term even with the streaming & physical media out, cause again, nothing truly beats seeing them on the big screen & sound system as originally intended. And the profits made from that could help not just cushion the company but help fuel investment into more originals & stories not yet adapted with the type of talent behind it that I mentioned. Again, only a win-win scenario on both Disney’s end and the general public as a whole.

Truth be told, I’d say it’s moreso investment in marketing exposure that’s really the thing that pushes trends more than anything else. If it’s marketed large enough and well enough, people will go see it or hear about or see it enough to consider going to see it.
 
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Disney Irish

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Disney Irish

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If Disney did this with their own films, they could print so much money. No production costs, less marketing costs, and tons of easy profit. Not as much as a "new" movie, of course, but there are tons of people who would love to see classics on the big screen. Ghibli Fest is a smash hit every year at my local Cinemark, so a "Disney Fest" with a classic film every month or every two weeks would likely do just as well.
Disney has rereleased several of their past films recently, and they didn't really perform very well if I remember correctly.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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So it got $4M in a weekend? And you consider that good when compared to $145M for Stitch over its opening weekend? So Disney should consider doing originals based on a $4M weekend? That seems like a shortsighted business plan to me, one that Disney wouldn't do.
I’d argue it’s mostly due to marketing & merchandising budget that the remake’s finanical success happened. The thing is, they know the reason it genuinely did as well as it did financially was mainly hindering on nostalgia & reputation of the classic film and not neccesarily the quality of the remake. I just don’t think they realize why the nostalgia and reputation of the original film is there (the creative talent & process behind making it), for some strange reason. Hence why, despite the financial success, it’s not performing all that well critically & by word of mouth, which isn’t a good strategy long term.
 

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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Disney has rereleased several of their past films recently, and they didn't really perform very well if I remember correctly.
I know they did it in 2023- but I only found out retroactively, because there was zero signage in the theater and zero marketing. I would've LOVED to see The Lion King (the good one) and Pirates of the Caribbean 1 on the big screen, since I never got to, but because Disney didn't make it known, I missed out. I'm sure the same experience applies to lots of people.

Again- rereleases won't make as much money, especially with streaming, but there's enough of a demand for seeing old movies on the big screen that it's essentially free money. I loved seeing the OG Muppet Movie on the big screen last year.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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there was zero signage in the theater and zero marketing.
Bingo, that there’s the biggest core issue besides everything else I mentioned. They’re not being a given a fair shot.
They used to be in the past when they got theatrical re-releases w merchandising/marketing campaigns and all.. sadly not anymore. That should change, they absolutely should be given a fair shot/advantage again.
 
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Disney Irish

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I’d argue it’s mostly due to marketing & merchandising budget that the remake’s finanical success happened. The thing is, they know the reason it genuinely did as well as it did financially was mainly hindering on nostalgia & reputation of the classic film and not neccesarily the quality of the remake. I just don’t think they realize why the nostalgia and reputation of the original film is there (the creative talent & process behind making it), for some strange reason. Hence why, despite the financial success, it’s not performing all that well critically & by word of mouth, which isn’t a good strategy long term.
I mean its obvious Stitch (and most of the rest of the remakes) is successful due to nostalgia, that is the WHOLE point of these remakes in the first place.

Also I'm not sure what you mean not performing well critically or by word of mouth as that is opposite of what is happening with Stitch. Maybe that has been the case with some of the remakes, but not Stitch. It has had positive word of mouth and overall critical praise.
 

Tony the Tigger

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tieing every new attraction to pre-existing film IP
To do otherwise would be irresponsible as a business.

The only reason Walt didn’t have more IP in DL when it opened is because he didn’t have as many IPs yet.

With the live action films, they can use the original as a starting point, then go forward with sequels/prequels in that format, like The Lion King and, from what I have read, Stitch.

And guess what? Sequels and prequels are still original films, just using existing IP. Are they supposed to say, “We created our own great character out of a generic story, but now we have to refer to our own original film as IP and never tell another story about it because…purity tests?”

The standards are bizarre, arbitrary, sometimes nonsensical, devoid of business perspectives, and nothing but fandom speculation and chit-chat. If you don’t want to enjoy a film or attraction because it isn’t 100% brand new and original, that’s on you (all.)
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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I heard over the weekend at somepoint that stitch is in the top 10 all time as far as Disney’s biggest licensed franchises…generating north of $2,500,000,000…

Not a bad return of investment there for modest outlays.

It’s also why this thing was guaranteed to crush. It’s not hard to predict somethings if you look at the details. If the lottery was this easy…we’d all be rich
 
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Tony the Tigger

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Yes, I am thinking for myself. I am seeing people say "this is what happened in the movie" and choosing to not see it based on my own tastes and beliefs. I have a principle of not seeing these live action films, that's a decision I made for myself long before it was "popular" to do so. Movies live and die by word-of-mouth, so to say that choosing whether or not to see a movie based on word-of-mouth and not seeing is bad undermines how the movie industry works. People are allowed to have opinions of whether or not they want to see a movie without actually seeing it. If a movie has bad word-of-mouth, that's the movie and its marketing's problem. And to say "oh well $15 is insignificant in the grand scheme of things" is just a lazy excuse to justify seeing it even if you're against it. I guarantee you that there are enough people out there actively choosing not to see this to make up a notable amount of lost income- not more than it makes without them, of course, but look at how many people protested Snow White (for reasons that may or may not have been valid)- it bombed. People choosing to vote with their wallet works whether you want to believe it does or not.

And to what I heard- yeah, it's what happens. I have seen dozens and dozens of people say the same exact thing, I have read the official plot summary, I have even looked at clips that have surfaced online of said scenes. You can argue semantics because "oh well Lilo gets given to the neighbor, so technically Nani didn't give her to the state" (even though Nani gave Lilo to the state and the state gave her to the neighbor) and "oh she has a portal gun so she can visit whenever" but that's ignoring the fact that the decision to give Lilo to the foster care system, which just so happens to favorably home Lilo, happened. And it is a very real-world issue in Hawaii of indigenous children being put into the foster care system because it's "better" for them than to live with their families, so for the movie to depict it in a positive manner is enough of a reason for many to not see it. That, plus the absolute butchering of Jumba, the removal of Pleakley's dressing in drag, the casting of a non-Hawaiian girl (half white, half Filipino) to play Nani and the artificial darkening of her skin instead of just casting an actual Hawaiian actress (this is not saying she's a bad actress), the sanitation of the "tourism negatively affects natives" message because of Aulani, the changing of the core message of the original... there's plenty of criticisms being talked about online that are true and valid. The people complaining this movie is "woke" are morons who would've never given this movie a chance anyways- if they did, they'd see it's actually far from it and is more conservative than the original (again, the removal of Pleakley doing drag and the whole message about tourism shows this). I have also seen people praise this movie- but the positives I have seen and don't disagree with are not enough to counter the negatives I have seen and agree with, and they're certainly not enough to counter my entire belief about these movies and how they are an insult to the medium of animation and the animators like myself who work so hard to make these works of art.

The stakes are high with this one, but only because it's the deciding factor on whether or not these remakes are going to keep happening. The bombing of Snow White made Disney cancel some remakes in production, but this remake doing well is going to reverse that decision. Those are the stakes- if it succeeds (which it has), we get more of these. If it fails (which it hasn't), we don't.

You can feel how you want. You are allowed to love this movie. People can love this film and think it's better than the original, they can cry their eyes out at the ending, they can do and say whatever they want. I never said they couldn't, nor am I denying that they are. The box office and audience reviews show that, for better or for worse, this movie is doing great with general audiences. I said I didn't understand why this one is more popular than other remakes despite being of a similar quality, but I never said "you are not allowed to like this film and you're wrong if you do."

All I did was state my opinion and some people got defensive after drawing incorrect conclusions about myself or my knowledge of the film- if it's "torture" to hear an opinion other than your own, maybe you need to reconsider things. You're agonizing over something so unimportant as someone having a different opinion about a movie than you.


I think if the original movie had the changes the remake added, it wouldn't be as beloved. I'm serious. Some of the changes take all the stakes and tension out of the movie, the message is weaker than the original, and some changes play into cliches rather than originality. It'd still be loved, sure, because Stitch is a merchandizing powerhouse. But the original is so beloved BECAUSE of what it does with its characters, story, and themes. There's a reason why so many people look back so fondly on Lilo & Stitch and not, say, Chicken Little.

And for as many movies that I actively choose to not see in theaters, there are ones I go out of my way to see. I drove over an hour each to see Robot Dreams and The Day The Earth Blew Up to support their box office runs. I just went to my local theater to see Friendship on Tuesday, and I saw Thunderbolts the other weekend. I'm not hurting my theater any more by not seeing another pointless live action remake than someone who's choosing not to see a film that I like. Yeah, local theaters are hurting, but the solution isn't "you should see every movie, including the ones you don't want to see."
You have a good evening.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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To do otherwise would be irresponsible as a business.

The only reason Walt didn’t have more IP in DL when it opened is because he didn’t have as many IPs yet.
Then… why have original films mainly been the fuel that have constantly gotten the company back on track rather than remakes & sequels throughout history? Do you think Peter Pan: Return to Neverland or Ralph Breaks the Internet made a bigger critical & cultural impact than say, Frozen or Big Hero 6? 96 live action 101 Dalmatians or Jungle Book from the same era over Mary Poppins or Who Framed Roger Rabbit?Just look at the era of direct to DVD sequels, That’s got nothing to do with having more IP but that folks also value good creativity & talent that leads to further discovery & newfound excitement rather than the opposite. Not to mention, Disneyland actually first started w mainly IP attractions in the form of the Fantasyland darkrides, but as it expanded had more variety added (both park originals ‘and’ IP based) and became smash hits alongside good marketing & merchandising.. so the point I’ve made is. Why take away that variety and only go mainly in one direction? (In this case, remakes & sequels) It certainly doesn’t make sense from a history perspective and again, only takes away the larger variety (particularly of creative talent especially) that helps grow and fuel everything else.
 
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

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And let me just clarify, not all sequels are a bad idea. Just look at the original Star Wars & Indiana Jones trilogies, the Toy Story trilogy. If you come up with a good enough story that keeps proper integrity to the characters & story so far and genuinely trust in the talent involved over just the franchise or financial results of the films themselves, (you know, the very thing that made the first films so successful) you can have sequels that genuinely feel like tasteful continuations of the original’s legacy. But again, when we’re in an era that’s constantly making a remake or sequel rather than maybe a genuinely good quality sequel ‘alongside’ originals promoted to the same degree and on the overall quality level of Monsters Inc, Up or Wall•E to further fuel company growth & creativity. We’ve got a massive problem.
 
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Disney Irish

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I know they did it in 2023- but I only found out retroactively, because there was zero signage in the theater and zero marketing. I would've LOVED to see The Lion King (the good one) and Pirates of the Caribbean 1 on the big screen, since I never got to, but because Disney didn't make it known, I missed out. I'm sure the same experience applies to lots of people.

Again- rereleases won't make as much money, especially with streaming, but there's enough of a demand for seeing old movies on the big screen that it's essentially free money. I loved seeing the OG Muppet Movie on the big screen last year.
They've done it pretty much every year with various movies. For example this year I believe they did a few of the Pixar pandemic releases that were D+ exclusives like Luca. And again they didn't much money.
 

Brer Panther

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- Up as an absolute top contender. (The internet apparently agrees so much that it’s very hard to tell if this is already in production or not. Google AI says it is, I think based on the number of fan AI trailers. I’m pretty sure it’s not though.)

- The Nightmare Before Christmas, unless the CGI looks to be prohibitively expensive.

- Ratatouille

- Frozen (Ok, a princess movie, but this is Frozen we’re talking about)

- The Aristocats, even though it’s older. Cat factor and cruise line tie-in. Supposedly already in development, maybe?

- The Incredibles, maybe with more focus on the kids a la Spy Kids

- Hercules, as I hear this has a big fan base although I don’t think it did well in theaters. It would be a visually cool movie too. Also supposedly already in development, maybe?

- Coco
No live action remakes of PIXAR movies, please. I'm sure Iger is drooling over the idea, though...

AristoCats and Hercules are indeed apparently in development.
Basically we want a better balance/variety instead of mostly just one direction of making everything tied to a film.
Exactly! Thank you.
Again- rereleases won't make as much money, especially with streaming, but there's enough of a demand for seeing old movies on the big screen that it's essentially free money.
Thank goodness for things like Alamo Drafthouse and Look Cinema. I got to see The Muppets Take Manhattan on the big screen in 2024. That was fun.
I know they did it in 2023
Yep. I saw Beauty and the Beast and the first Toy Story in theaters. That was also fun.
Bingo, that there’s the biggest core issue besides everything else I mentioned. They’re not being a given a fair shot.
Movie studios are never willing to admit they're at fault when a movie flops. This is the same reason Treasure Planet underperformed.
 

Tony the Tigger

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Disney could make a MINT by rereleasing their films and marketing them. So much cheaper than inferior remakes, too.
Cue the charges of “cash grab” and “not enough imagination to make new stories.” But yes, it would sell.
I mean it’s obvious Stitch (and most of the rest of the remakes) is successful due to nostalgia, that is the WHOLE point of these remakes in the first place.

Also I'm not sure what you mean not performing well critically or by word of mouth as that is opposite of what is happening with Stitch. Maybe that has been the case with some of the remakes, but not Stitch. It has had positive word of mouth and overall critical praise.
Depends on your Facebook algorithm which stories you are reading about the film. For real.
 

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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They've done it pretty much every year with various movies. For example this year I believe they did a few of the Pixar pandemic releases that were D+ exclusives like Luca. And again they didn't much money.
Were they marketed & merchandised all that well for said theatrical release? Were they released in the theater at a time where folks would for sure be spending big at the movies, to make up losses of films that weren’t successful? That’s the core of that issue. And again, it didn’t help matters that again, these were all released during a pandemic.

If you were to say, start releasing these films again, during periods where we know there isn’t much huge money makers in the theater and they’re in desperate need of something good for that quarter that’ll be a guaranteed hit, That’s the time you do it.
 
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